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 Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2018 08:15 pm
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What happens to TIP when it expires after 10 years. Buying a sailboat from owner with TIP about to expire. Can it be extended with power of attorney letter from the present owner?
Is sailing on present owner TIP letter of attorney or capital letter are the options? 
Also the boat I am looking into doesn't have a Title but registered with US Coastguards.
Is Title must have?  Thanks!

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The tip does not expire in the sense that it just goes away.   The tip must be cancelled before its expiration date and if that isn't done, there is NO WAY you will be able to get a new one and furthermore, the boat MUST be removed from Mexico or it will be impounded.   If there is any chance that the present owner can't or won't go to aduana to cancel the tip, then DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BOAT!!

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The tip does not expire in the sense that it just goes away.   The tip must be cancelled before its expiration date and if that isn't done, there is NO WAY you will be able to get a new one and furthermore, the boat MUST be removed from Mexico or it will be impounded.   If there is any chance that the present owner can't or won't go to aduana to cancel the tip, then DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BOAT!!



Is Power of Attorney Letter from TIP owner can do magic? 

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I don't know the answer to that but I doubt it will work.  You will need to go the the Banercito and aduana and ask them.  The bank is on Serdan a block or so west of the Singular marina and aduana is 2 doors east on the same side of the street.  Do NOT rely on anything the yacht brokers might tell you.   You must go the the bank and aduana and get the answer from them.   The tip is not something that you can finesse and if it isn't done correctly, the boat will either have to leave Mexico or it will be impounded.


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After reading on-line it seems the TIP can be canceled by owner in person only.
Very confusing topic.. One boat seller told me the boat can have max 3 TIP's for life time and it seems to be not true. TIP has to be closed before a new one open.
Active TIP can be extended for 10 more years. Not clear what happen with expired TIP... It seems the boat banned from Mexico for lifetime. Considering inflated prices on boats in San Carlos I even considering to bring it from CA. But.. I have to find way to verify the boat I buying don't have open/expired TIP prior purchase.. If boat has one previous owner it might be straightforward.. With more than one.. who knows.. Guy went to Mexico 10 years ago didn't bother to close permit and here you are - stack with boat in CA instead of Mexico

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I don't know the answer to that but I doubt it will work.  You will need to go the the Banercito and aduana and ask them.  The bank is on Serdan a block or so west of the Singular marina and aduana is 2 doors east on the same side of the street.  Do NOT rely on anything the yacht brokers might tell you.   You must go the the bank and aduana and get the answer from them.   The tip is not something that you can finesse and if it isn't done correctly, the boat will either have to leave Mexico or it will be impounded.



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This explains very well.. It is possible to cancel TIP.. in US only.. 2-3 weeks process
https://www.californiasportfishing.org/tip-cancellation

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Tried both Option A and B according to your article.  My option A never made it to Mexico City, imagine that.  Option B was 20 minutes at the consulate in LA.  I had two TIPS cancelled and one new one issued.  You will need a bill of sale, engine numbers, USCG documents, etc..  Better hurry with a plan cause last year the representatives were there October 11 or there about.


http://www.thelog.com/snw/mexican-consulate-hosts-tip-cancellation-events-in-five-cities/



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If this person can't show you the original TIP, then walk away, there is no price worth buying it.  The original person has to cancel the TIP.  There is a gray area in the time between owners.  As long as you have the old TIP and a "Captain's Letter" saying you are authorized to use the boat (in English & Spanish) you can operate the boat during the transaction.  Hopefully you are going through an escrow company and the transaction takes place in the US with delivery "offshore" keeping it offshore for 180 days to avoid taxes back in California.


By the way, when cancelled, you get a cancellation document that looks like the original TIP but proves the cancellation (attached).  


If you go to Banjercito, wear long pants, a button down shirt and regular shoes, I tie wouldn't hurt.  Anything else will be disrespectful and you won't get any help.  Don't ask me how I know this.  Respect their place of business it will go far.  I can't remember the name but the top guy there was very helpful, spoke good English, and was very knowledgeable regarding TIPs.  He/they can look up your vessel you are interested in to see if there are outstanding TIPs.

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Another update on TIP cancellation: If you have a trailerable boat and take it back to the US without returning the TIP when you leave (preferably at Aduana in Nogales) you are still responsible for that TIP and could be charged duty on it (up to 25% listed retail value - you have to prove value. In addition, you may not be able to renew any of your other TIPs until you clear this out.

Recently I cancelled a TIP on my trailerable in Juarez, MX to save a trip all the way to Nogales. Well, you would think they never saw a boat before. Then to top it off I got rid of the 50 yr old Honda 9.9 and did not check it out of MX at Aduana. I go to Banjercito at the Santa Theresa Crossing in NM (only place to cancel these TIPs in Juarez area) and they say I have to pay duty on the new motor. Well, no way, because it is not being imported (I am selling boat). I finally convince them to use an estimate of value from Edmunds with a value of $400, paying $100 duty. Then they would allow me to cancel the TIP. 

I have attached an example of what you should get from Aduana if you return your motor to the US separate from the boat.  This proves the motor left Mexico and was not sold there.  You find this Aduana just as you cross into Mexico, on the left hand side.  Clearly marked Aduana.  I don't think I will have to pay duty on it.



So I went over to the lane they "Cancel TIPs" clearly marked on exit by Aduana before entry back into US. They take pictures of the VIN and the boat and give me a funky looking receipt. Not as nice as the other one. I have attached for ref.

Turns out they erased the old TIP from the system (OK, as long as it is gone because it is tied to my passport number), the TIP on my big boat shows the previous owners TIP as cancelled. I cancelled in Guaymas with Walter at Banjercito using a power of attorney from PO in Spanish & English, the original TIP info, and a nasty letter from Aduana to the PO to cancel or action will be taken-whatever that is, pay duty, and showing the current TIP I had on this boat from 2014. So you can have two TIPs - you just get in trouble if you try to renew your TIP and the PO never canx theirs. Most likely you will be told to leave the country with the boat if you can't produce the original TIP from the previous owner.

In hind site I should have gone to Nogales. They know what a boat is and understand these things like motors dying after 50 years, 10 in saltwater.


If you want to see if your TIP is in the system or how the Mexican government sees the status of your TIP go here:
https://portalsat.plataforma.sat.gob.mx/aduanas_cpitv_internet/index.aspx
 
Actually I'm getting somewhat savvy on this subject, if you have questions be sure to ask. I like to play by the rules I agreed to with the Mexican Government. I'm a guest there, I do my best to obey the laws.  I have chosen to share this information because there seems to be many opinions, but few explaining exactly what they did and what you can expect.  Hope this helps.  

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This is a pic of the motor export proof.

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