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Some good news out of the United States. The goal of 70% of the population with at least one vaccination dose has been reached.
 
Of course that's no help for the "pandemic of the stupid"

"Florida on Sunday broke a previous record for current hospitalizations set more than a year ago before vaccines were available.The Sunshine State had 10,207 people hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 cases"
A couple of other Southern States have no room left in the  hospitals for Covid patients.

Other news...

Israel has started giving a Pfizer booster ( third injection) to anyone over 60. 

New studies show that the Delta variant is as infectious as the common cold ( which is caused by either  a Coronavirus or Rhinovirus ) chickenpox ( varicella-Zoster.. a herpes virus) and Ebola. These are extremely infectious viruses. 

Even if you have been vaccinated with both doses... If you get a breakthrough infection you are just as infectious as if you hadn't been vaccinated at all. There are 1,000 Times Higher viral load in the nose with Delta then with the Alpha variant. 

Therefore even vaccinated people should take the same precautions as before they were vaccinated. Frustrating? Extremely. But even a breakthrough mild case can be devastating. Besides being extremely infectious and spreading the virus to anyone around you , there is still the possibility of getting Long Covid even if you're vaccinated. Right now it is too soon to know if vaccination will prevent it.. But it doesn't look good. .

I had Covid the beginning of January. My first symptoms appeared New Year's Day. Wonderful start to the new year ! 7 months later I am still dealing with Long Covid. It is a battle. Trust me, you don't want any part of this disease. 

 Before someone says" why bother getting the vaccine then?" The mRNA vaccines keeps you out the hospital and dying 90% of the time. 

Be Smart Stay safe

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July 28, Arizona reported 22% of their 1,726 ICU beds were filled with Covid patients. Not hitting their highs of last year but steadily increasing.

I recently read that Austin and the 11 counties within it's regional service area only had 16 ICU beds available.

The U.S. healthcare system is going to get stressed and more so here.

Always strive to wearing the best quality mask possible. You can even double mask if you feel it necessary. I shop Amazon for the specific manufacture I prefer.

https://www.cnet.com/health/n95-vs-kn95-vs-kf94-masks-which-is-best-at-preventing-covid-19/

Aron Collin on YouTube does some great mask testing and recommendations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE5Uo3F2TdU

The CDC lists manufacture's masks that have been tested and also lists counterfeits found.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/respirators/testing/NonNIOSHresults.html

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Thanks for the update Doc

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F.D.A. Aims to Give Final Approval to Pfizer Vaccine by Early Next Month

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/pfizer-vaccine-

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The  only numbers that I have seen for break through infections infecting other people came from a Face The Nation interview of the Israeli Director of Public Health Services.  She said that 80% of break through infected fully vaccinated people infect ZERO people and 10% infect just one other person.  She said that break through infections are most likely in the home.


Here is the 6 and a half minute interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z38NWVXky2Q

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I'll stand by what I wrote.

July 30, 2021

"Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others"

"In another dispiriting setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.

Health officials on Friday released details of that research, which was key in this week’s decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to recommend that vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the U.S. where the delta variant is fueling infection surges. The authors said the findings suggest that the CDC’s mask guidance should be expanded to include the entire country, even outside of hot spots.

The findings have the potential to upend past thinking about how the disease is spread. Previously, vaccinated people who got infected were thought to have low levels of virus and to be unlikely to pass it to others. But the new data shows that is not the case with the delta variant."

https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1



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It is absolutely the case that:
- Fully vaccinated people can get break through infections
- Break through infections can infect others
- Break through infections can be serious

But, it is difficult to gauge the risk for fully vaccinated people. The USA does not appear to collect that data at this time. Israel does.

The Cape Cod 4th of July breakout was a wake up call for the USA. Super crowded indoor venues due to rain. From the WA Post:

"With rain pouring down, Eckstein recalled, people left the venue’s pool and sun deck to squeeze inside “to the point you could hardly move.” Masks were a thing of the past as a town of about 3,000 swelled to more than 60,000 and the main drag buzzed like a carnival."

Break through infections can and do happen. Cape Cod 4th of July shows that crowded indoor venues need to be avoided. Life is *not* back to normal for fully vaccinated people.

The risk is way lower for fully vaccinated people. But, what is an acceptable risk? We don't have the data yet.  

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I believe the study ws evidenced by virus spore concentrations taken from swabbbing the test subjects noses.

That's why they are also promoting wearing masks to reduce the amount of virus your antibodies have to fight off.

I am really out of my depth on this, but as everyone breathes and collects spores if the virus is in the air, everyone is carrying this around, if I understood what I read in another story on this study.

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here is a good article from Mexico News Daily, it discusses the Chinese vaccine used here. it also says the covid infections are probably higher than official count reported.


Daily Covid infections far higher than official counts, says specialist

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I have a question.   If fully vaccinated people can still contract and spread Covid  How can the virus be eradicated?

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It will never be eradicated (in our lifetime) Like the flu we will need annual shots. 


The object is to slow the spread through vaccinations and hopefully slow the mutations. 


Delta plus is already in the states and Lambda has been  identified. Bullshipper mentioned Lambda a few weeks ago. From Peru, it has potential to be the worst variant yet.



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kyacker wrote: I have a question.   If fully vaccinated people can still contract and spread Covid  How can the virus be eradicated?



The vaccine makes you produce antibodies against covid but doesn't sicken you.


When exposed to virulent covid, your antibodies keep you healthy enough that your body has the time it needs to produce more antibodies, and the specific antibodies you mutate that will fight the virus mutation you have been exposed to.
And the more times you catch it and develop more types of antibodies the more resistant you are.
Like the common cold.


Mutations will occur faster than vaccines can be developed, tested and distributed, to herd immunity will only only slow down the high death rate. But if folks don't vaccinate, they are giving more time to this strong virus to getter a lot stronger version.


Please correct me if I am wrong.

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i to believe this virus will be circulating the globe for a long time, if not forever. 
i am fully vaccinated and have no problem taking a booster dose when recommended. just like boosters for every vaccine i have taken since early childhood.


our small community has changed, a good portion of the NEW visitor's have a "me vale madre" attitude and many of the "ole crusty's" have the same " could give a crap" attitude.
they will never be convinced vaccine, mask wearing, social distancing, is for the betterment of all.


i know now that i am the only one who is conscious of my safety and well being.


the precautions i will adhere to from now on are just "good common sense".

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" I know now that i am the only one who is conscious of my safety and well being"

There are many of us that actually care about other people but as you imply Frankiej, we are sadly in the minority.

The last time I was in Santovalle, 4 or 5 days ago,  there was a vacationing Gringo in front of me with the mask barely covering his mouth let alone his nose. 
If you can't wear a mask properly for 20 minutes in a store to protect others you are a truly pathetic human being and we are all in trouble .( of course we have known we're in trouble for a long time! )
   
My neighbor and her son were just diagnosed yesterday with the Delta Variant. They are very sick.
 
She came to my door just 4 days ago to hand me a package. And of course I wasn't thinking and I answered the door without a mask on and she didn't have one on either. We probably talked for 3 or 4 minutes.
So 3 days before she was diagnosed, when she had to be very infectious, I breathed it in and I handled the contaminated  package. 
There is no way possible that I didn't  breathe in the virus.
 
This morning my nose was runny and my voice was a little hoarse. No  other symptoms currently , so for now I'm blaming allergies.:)

Now we will see if having Covid before and two vaccines protects me. 
I will be a test case  and we'll see how it goes. I'll keep you posted.
We've said it before, don't let your guard down for a minute.


PS..."truly pathetic human beings" out there...If you respond to this label and are offended, get over it and learn how to wear a mask correctly..



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Hey Doc. 
What is the size of the Covid-19 virus?
The overall diameter is about 0.3 microns or slightly less. That’s about 1/100th the diameter of the average human hair.

This is why the cheaper surgical style masks or cloth masks won’t protect you from getting Covid-19. The holes are too big.

An N95 mask if fitted precisely will prevent 95% of particles in the 0.1 micron size

Please everyone, only use an N95 mask! They are the only ones that will protect you from the C.

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Jimmy, you are correct. Everyone should use an N95 or KN95 mask. Benito Villa posted that back on Aug 2. It was the 2nd post on this thread. 


I have been using the N95 for a while now. However, For a lot of people, what good is a good mask if they wont wear it correctly.


A box of (50) KN95 masks is only 225 pesos on Amazon mx.

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Doc,

I have a question you may be able to help me with.

As Delta is now what is going around, I assume that I have also been exposed to its spores.

As some spores are bound to pass my mask, if I do not have symptoms now can I assume that my vaccines and my body were able to develop Delta antibodies too?

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oye Bull...


If you were definitely exposed and you haven't had any symptoms within 3-6 days after good chance the vaccine did what it was supposed to do. 


With Delta symptoms will appear 3 to 4 days sooner than they would with the alpha and beta. And you can spread Delta 2 days before symptoms appear.


My nose is running again and I have a slight headache so I might not be so lucky.


It depends of course on just how heavy the viral load was that you were exposed to.

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DocD wrote:
oye Bull...


If you were definitely exposed and you haven't had any symptoms within 3-6 days after good chance the vaccine did what it was supposed to do. 


With Delta symptoms will appear 3 to 4 days sooner than they would with the alpha and beta. And you can spread Delta 2 days before symptoms appear.


My nose is running again and I have a slight headache so I might not be so lucky.


It depends of course on just how heavy the viral load was that you were exposed to.




Several folks at the gym have come down with it and are currently sick.


But my question is hypothetical.


Are the antibodies in our bodies aquired by vaccines and previous virus exposures  constantly mutating to fight off what we are exposed to on a daily basis or you have to get sick to trigger their production and mutations to fight off the new stuff?



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