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COMRADE GOIT, i am pasting a video to remind you and others WHY there was LEGITIMATE concern for mistrust for the past administration. let's not forget the push for "HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE"!!


Donald Trump on 'injecting patients with disinfectant' and UV light to treat coronavirus - YouTube

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GOIT wrote: "There aren't many things more Despicable than a person or group that spreads disinformation that is literally killing people ,destroying families and lives for PROFIT!  Or political gain!"


When both President Biden and VP Harris spread mistrust of the vaccine and rushed process during the campaign were they correct to mistrust it, or was it for political gain?




Did Tucker Carlson or Hannity tell you this? Perhaps NewsMax?




[size=https://news.yahoo.com/making-sense-of-conservatives-sudden-vaccine-endorsements-150144023.html]

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frankiej wrote: COMRADE GOIT, i am pasting a video to remind you and others WHY there was LEGITIMATE concern for mistrust for the past administration. let's not forget the push for "HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE"!!


Donald Trump on 'injecting patients with disinfectant' and UV light to treat coronavirus - YouTube


Put your pitchforks and torches away villagers... You are what you eat...If you eat only Main Stream Media {Which is all owned and controlled by 6 powerful globalist corps} and their minions {who are under the globalists control} then that's what you are {globalist controlled}..... If you search [research] out other sources of information,{not globalist controlled} then the blood thirsty villagers will come for you with their pitchforks, shovels, axes and torches...They will hunt you down, they will drag you out of your house and they will crucify you for not having the same opinion as they ---- I can hear the mob coming down my street right now.....they will have fun with this post  ...  Have a nice day Y'all....

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Jimmy wrote: Put your pitchforks and torches away villagers... You are what you eat...If you eat only Main Stream Media {Which is all owned and controlled by 6 powerful globalist corps} and their minions {who are under the globalists control} then that's what you are {globalist controlled}..... If you search [research] out other sources of information,{not globalist controlled} then the blood thirsty villagers will come for you with their pitchforks, shovels, axes and torches...They will hunt you down, they will drag you out of your house and they will crucify you for not having the same opinion as they ---- I can hear the mob coming down my street right now.....they will have fun with this post  ...  Have a nice day Y'all....

The only mob I've seen which closely resembles your description were the COVID denier insurrectionists on Jan 6.


As for mainstream media....more reliable than some guy running an obscure blog whose opinion matches yours, therefore you give them more credibility than you should.


This is a good website to check media sources and bias: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/


I suggest that you run some of your non-mainstream-media sources through there and report back.

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Jimmy, what i pasted was from YouTube. that particular "white house news conference" was broadcast on almost every media. 

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BS. I heard it on MSNBC.

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will, it was seen on MSNBC, FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC, TELEMUNDO, ect, that's what "almost every media means".

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I am not a Trump fan but I certainly don't blame him for anything concerned about the Vaccines as he was key getting the USA a very healthy supply by quickly funding research, testing and buying.

I believe his efforts for other so called cures were born out of his desperation to try to help us and his election possibilities before he could, but he soon started doubting real doctors and that's where his message got off track, listening to the TV and radio loonies on both sides of the coin.

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I agree with bullshipper. Trumps warp speed campaign got us the vaccines and since their availability both parties and both administration and legislative branches of government at all levels have shown a serious lack of leadership IMHO. Case in point, the Defense Dept has not mandated vaccines for current service members and a significant percentage are unvaccinated.  Think the approach out be Get vaccinated or Else......

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bartmanaz wrote: Case in point, the Defense Dept has not mandated vaccines for current service members and a significant percentage are unvaccinated.  Think the approach out be Get vaccinated or Else......Bart, isn't that the one of the primary reasons people haven't been vaccinated, they don't want to be forced to do something?


Pentagon: 70 percent of service members have received first dose of Covid vaccine - POLITICO
this is higher than the national average. make it mandatory and the first service member to have a side affect, the types of
"carlson" will run with it!
i DO agree there should to be repercussions for those who do not have valid reasons to refuse vaccination!

there is even a percentage of health care workers who refuse to be vaccinated, forcing some big health care systems to say vaccinate or terminate. 


IMHO we are in a cross roads of a multifaceted misinformed movement, fueled by the Internets good and bad.


credibility is becoming a rarity, how many times have we seen disagreement on this forum with one side or the other "NOT" offering credible and referable resources for their opinion?

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Pfizer, the first approved vaccine, did not take any government money nor were they part of Warp Speed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/11/13/trump-falsely-claims-credit-for-pfizer-vaccine-though-company-did-not-take-government-funds/?sh=1692952069cb

You will likely see the military require the vaccine after final approval is given, as it only has an emergency authorization right now.

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looks like the "mandate" is going to happen sooner than later;
Biden White House readies a vaccine mandate for federal workers - POLITIC

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TrueBlue wrote: Pfizer, the first approved vaccine, did not take any government money nor were they part of Warp Speed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/11/13/trump-falsely-claims-credit-for-pfizer-vaccine-though-company-did-not-take-government-funds/?sh=1692952069cb

You will likely see the military require the vaccine after final approval is given, as it only has an emergency authorization right now.


Really, tell other which administation ever approved a drug so fast. Was a vacinne developed for Sars , swine flu, bird virus' and all the other so called killers that came first?


You don't think he and his guys were pressuring the FDA to get things rolling by promising rollouts in November? Did he invoke war powers to bulldoze red tape yes or no?


And it was aso my understanding that the USA was one of  largest clints with money up front to at least 2-3 companies, like billions$$ going to small labs mas o menos, all competing to be first which those kinds of carrots to keep them trotting? 


I am no fan of a LOT of what he did, but credit should go where it was earned imo, and he was more intuitive about this than 80% of the world leaders.

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i don't think anyone denies the past administration funding covid vaccine research. 
rDNA is nothing new and has been around for several decades. the scientists and doctors of credibility around the last president knew this, and guided the last presidents decision making.
Ribosomal DNA - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics


the standard trial process is time consuming as it has ALWAYS been in past reputable scientific trials.
the first mass public vaccinations started in Dec. 14, 2020, under the now lame duck president.  
COVID-19 vaccination in the United States - Wikipedia


developing an FDA "authorized" vaccine and getting into the arms of millions are two different things.


the current administration was left with the task of doing so, including ramping up the production of the vials the vaccine was to be in, syringes to administer the vaccine, site and location development. this all took time under the new administration, with out THIS administration trying to convince "US" of the use of the latest internet "snake oil"! 


we have to accept that the science of combating this virus. it will be a continual process, until there is little to no infection WORLD WIDE! 







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Wow, hook, line and sinker!  Anyone who cannot see the politicization, mis-steps, and mis-information provided by BOTH parties whenever it is suited is a lemming and our political class loves you for it!

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comrade goit, is this out of your FIS or FSS playbook?
* create doubt
* lay the seed of mistrust
* demoralize
* divide and conquer 


there are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents, the elected of these parties or anyone who voted for them DO NOT refer to them as "the political class". 


we sometimes use the term professional politicians. 


you get an "F" comrade!



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Are you accusing GOIT of being a communist?
Be careful or they might come for YOU, frank

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This Thread was started regarding the Resurgence of Covid 19 in this area. Since I posted it, what was orange, is now red. 
The discussion was regarding Covid, the Delta variant, and the reasons why the pandemic is catching fire again. Vaccine efficacy against Delta. 
Anti -vaxxers . ....The reasons why people aren't getting vaccinated affects not just those of us here in San Carlos but the entire world! 
These things are of importance to us here in San Carlos. 


An essay on flags in a yard in New Jersey and the court case surrounding it has no bearing here. 


Not one person on this board has said anything about taking away people's freedom of speech. 
Bullshipper did say he thought Tucker Carlson should be in jail and I'm pretty sure that was just said out of frustration because Carlson's rhetoric is killing people. Ironically he is killing his own fans and followers. 

The first amendment is the Cornerstone for the protection of democracy in the US and other democratic nations that have followed our example. 

Protection of speech, religion, press, assembly, and the right to petition the government. 

I could get into how the previous administration was the biggest threat to democracy and the 1st amendment since the Civil War. BUT.........

 This is about Covid 19, the Delta variant and how we're going to get through this pandemic. Especially those of us that live in this small community that is inundated with tourists who do not follow the Covid protocols. 

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Yes, Trump did the right thing with creating operation warp speed to facilitate and accelerate the development of a vaccination to combat Covid-19.  Although I feel any President would have done the exact same thing just as all other countries did that had the scientific capabilities of vaccine research and development.


Too bad Trump ultimately chose to discourage and downplay the virus.  His presidency cost The United States 100's of thousands of lives.  If he would have just done what the other G7 countries did, it is projected 40% of deaths in the United States could have been prevented according to the Lancet Commission.  He was enabled and amplified by his political party.


If you think both parties have been the same concerning their response to the pandemic and the vaccination, you are very mistaken.

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DocD, you are totally correct, your important topic morphed as soon as demeaning, abasing, and name calling entered into the fray. I posted the long article I had read, because your topic was also hijacked by those appearing to oppose free speech.

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