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 Posted: Sat Jun 26th, 2021 02:37 pm
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lord knows we need some rain. maybe next Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
i know i will be keeping my fingers crossed!


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I hope we get rain, but no hurricane…



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last night i saw lighting in the far distant eastern horizon. it was a pretty good light show. Enrique is still days away, maybe this system is drawing moisture from the eastern Sierra Madre to us?

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frankiej wrote: last night i saw lighting in the far distant eastern horizon. it was a pretty good light show. Enrique is still days away, maybe this system is drawing moisture from the eastern Sierra Madre to us?

Enrique's moisture, and other tropical moisture, is streaming TOWARDS the Sierra Madres, typically. 


The uplift from the mtn. slopes causes the warm, moist air to rise. When it cools enough, microdroplets form as clouds. As the air rises faster and higher, it forms larger drops or, if cold enough, can form hail. These two forms are too heavy to stay suspended, like microdroplets can, so they fall. Collisions on the way down with other drops and hail, separates electrically charged particles that build up within the cloud formations and eventually discharge towards ground (or other clouds) in the form of lightning.


There is a significant amount of airborne moisture that simply evaporates in sunlight, which puts a damper on even more condensation. But as the sun begins to wane, the storms can begin to move BACK towards the west (towards San Carlos), as there is less evaporation, but still plenty of warm air rising to continue the condensation cycle. The body of cool air increases as the sun goes down, so thunderstorm creation can actually increase after dark. The land is still plenty warm enough to create rising, moist air.


Outside of a tropical disturbance that brings moisture directly from the sea to us (some of this IS occurring from the moisture spinning off Enrique), this scenario above is how we typically get thunderstorms. The mountains between us and the Sierras are not really high enough to create this orographic lifting of air that creates thunderstorms. 


But, exceptions can occur. One rather unusual one occurred either last year or the year before, when the remnants of a tropical disturbance in the Gulf of Mexico actually made it all the way over the Sierra Madres and brought us moisture. I think it was 2019.


BTW, the center of Enrique (now downgraded to a tropical depression) actually entered the Sea of Cortez, but it is expected to turn NW and disintegrate over the Sierra de la Giganta mountains near Loreto. 

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Hook wrote:BTW, the center of Enrique (now downgraded to a tropical depression) actually entered the Sea of Cortez, but it is expected to turn NW and disintegrate over the Sierra de la Giganta mountains near Loreto. 

great explanation , thanks Hook!


looks like this was a dud!

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Thanks Hook, that was a great explanation.

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i saw no rain, but i guess it did rain last night in Guaymas.


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Hermosillo was dumped on.
The areas east of there have also seen even more heavy rains all last week, with one storm dropping 3" in a afternoon and eve. These areas re feed the aquafier that comes to north Guaymas where the main wells are for San Carlos.

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Thank you for the good news of rain for the aquifer 

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it's good anytime Sonora gets rain.


* Hermosillo is in the Rio Sonora basin and has approximately 10 aquifers.
the Rio Sonora starts it's catchment near Cananea near the Arizona border, it drains with the geography gathering additional stream catchments until it empties into the sea of Cortez near Bahia Kino or absorbed into one of the several aquifers along it's journey.


* Guaymas / Empalme are in the Rio Matape sub-basin where it's catchment starts around Ortiz, it also drains into the sea of  Cortez around Empalme. there are approximately 3 aquifers in this region.


the Rio Matape sub-basin is not connected to the Rio Sonora basin system, the two drainage's and subsequent aquifers flow in totally different directions.


* there is a mountain range separating OUR aquifer from the primary  Rio Matape sub-basin. the catchment starts approximately at the Robison ranch through the Ejido Pancho Villa to the Sea of Cortez, the wells for San Carlos are in this small aquifer.


our aquifers are replenished by gradual ground absorbing rain fall, torrential down pours "flash flood" directly to the Sea.


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* look at this attached google earth satellite map, you will see the drainage for aquifer for the wells for San Carlos coming from the mountain range "El Parral" and "Noche Bueno". 


* scroll up to Hermosillo follow HiWay 14 to HiWay 89 they parallel the Rio Sonora. the Rio Sonora also has the LUXURY of SNOW in the UPPER PINE COVERED mountain regions. Snow saturates far better in the aquifers.


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If your only past time in life is contradicting me Frankie I will reciprocrate. Last warning.

The highway that runs south east from Hmo to San Javier where I worked for 20 years crosses arroyos the supply water to La Mesa, La Colorado, San Jose de Pimas and Tecoripa. These Arroyos drain water to Santa Clara and the Ortiz aquafiers that are about 70 miles south west of this highway and cover about 5000 square miles if you only count that portion south of that highway.

And if you go into Guaymas you will see that there is thick mud that recently got washed into the streets from the rain there this week, carrying a car with it.

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Bullshipper wrote: If your only past time in life is contradicting me Frankie I will reciprocrate. Last warning.

The highway that runs south east from Hmo to San Javier where I worked for 20 years crosses arroyos the supply water to La Mesa, La Colorado, San Jose de Pimas and Tecoripa. These Arroyos drain water to Santa Clara and the Ortiz aquafiers that are about 70 miles south west of this highway and cover about 5000 square miles if you only count that portion south of that highway.And if you go into Guaymas you will see that there is thick mud that recently got washed into the streets from the rain there this week, carrying a car with it.
there is a difference between contradicting and CORRECTING delusions.


La Colorado, San Jose de Pimas, Tecorpia they are all on Hiway "16" it is a DIVIDE, a RIDGE line where you describe, one side the flow is into the Rio Sonora basin, from the southern RIM. the other side flows south through La Misa and Ortiz, which forms the Rio Matape sub-basin. making your last sentence post #8 incorrect. look at the SATELLITE map, it's quite clear!


i am attaching a satellite photo that shows where the Rio Matape and the ENTIRE sub-basin drains into the BAY between Empalme and Guaymas.


it would be a pretty good trick, the rain fall coming from where you describe, draining into the bay, then JUMPING a mountain to flood Guaymas.


the flooding, mud and debris came from the steep hills surrounding Guaymas!

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If you can figure out how to look at more than 1 square mile on your Google map even can plainly see could the paths of these rivers.

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i am quite capable of viewing the entire Google map and have correctly described the Rio Sonora basin and the Rio Matape sub-basin water sheds. 


i have made clear were the aquifer for San Carlos's wells ARE and thoroughly described it's water shed.


i have also viewed them many times physically from aircraft.


 most readers understand the laws of physics, know well that water runs down hill! i offered and and again will attached the satellite photo so they can be made aware of the PHYSICAL facts of both the Rio Sonora and Rio Matape water sheds from their beginning to end. 
for me your assumptions are absurd!


so, what is your point.

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Your are scribbling and going on about the Sonora River Basin that has nothing to do with what we are taking about which is water coming into our area.
The Sonora River is NE of Hermosillo.
The highhway and area I am referring to is SE East of Hemosillo, crossing arroyos that run north to south and find there way to the sea going through Santa Clara and Ortiz.
Connect the dots.
Santa Rosa, San Jose de Pimas, San Marcial, Chiclote, La Misa Ortiz,
or La Colorado, El Sudadero, Ortiz
or Noche Buena, El Caballito, Santa Clara, Guaymas


This is what I said.
Hermosillo was dumped on.
The areas east of there have also seen even more heavy rains all last week, with one storm dropping 3" in a afternoon and eve. These areas re feed the aquafier that comes to north Guaymas where the main wells are for San Carlos.

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Bullshipper wrote: This is what I said.
Hermosillo was dumped on.
""The areas east of there"" have also seen even more heavy rains all last week, with one storm dropping 3" in a afternoon and eve. ""These"" areas re feed the aquafier that comes to north Guaymas where the main wells are for San Carlos.
and you also said this:
The highway that runs south east from Hmo to San Javier where I worked for 20 years crosses arroyos the supply water to La Mesa, La Colorado, San Jose de Pimas and Tecoripa. ""These Arroyos drain water to Santa Clara"" and the Ortiz aquafiers that are about 70 miles south west of this hiway.

this last sentence is physically impossible, there is a mountain range dividing the two water sheds, ONLY the Rio Matape starts in the mountains of La Colorado, San Jose de Pimas!!!


the water shed that starts south of Hiway 63 the "Kino Bay turnoff", a little north of Noche Bueno DRAINS into the SAME bay between Guaymas and Emplame. 


take a drive on the airport road to and from Empalme, when you can see the AG ponds, you'll be able to see the drainage of both these water sheds.


NOT  Guaymas, AS you ALLEGE, which is up hill and behind a mountain from that drainage into the bay!!


so i do know how to connect the DOTS, you don't know when to through in the towel!

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God bless you

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