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 Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2020 07:43 pm
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Very interesting website posted by the Arizona Dept of Health Services: https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php


It works like a dashboard, where you click on a button and scroll down for stats.   

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marlin master wrote: How about the restrictions going South ? Are there any ? Can we still get a six month Tourist Visa ? It’s getting close to the time when Winter Snow Birds start to think about returning to San Carlos. 

No restrictions. Last sunday crossed south at Mariposa - Nogales car crossing was closed.
Of course, mile long line in Mariposa.
Opened 6 moths visa at border - no question asked.
21 km was operational but empty - no tourists.

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Ruso wrote: 390pony wrote: That death rate also is inflated.Yes. People die of natural causes as usual and happen to have COVID-19. Then guess how they report cause of death?

Also when they are killed in motorcycle accidents.

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marlin master wrote: How about the restrictions going South ? Are there any ? Can we still get a six month Tourist Visa ? It’s getting close to the time when Winter Snow Birds start to think about returning to San Carlos. I know that Cancun has been actively marketing to Americans and you can still get flights from US to Cancun.  As for Canadians.....don't know.  I will say that our Airbnb (in US) normally has a few bookings from Canadian snowbirds by now.....so far, nada.

As for Frankie's argument about denying entry to Americans who are already on American soil.....that's a very good point.  The policy, if enacted, will cause symptomatic Americans to hide their symptoms and travel by air back to the US, possibly infecting everyone on their flight, but being able to stay in US once there.  They can't very well force the airline to take them back to Mexico if they show symptoms in Customs.

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you can't deport an american citizen without a trial. it may be possible for them to detain and quarantine infected individuals, but if they where seriously or even mildly ill they would have to be maintained in some sort of regulated health facility. these facilities would have to be at every land, air and sea port of entry. that would cost the american tax payer billions.


this idea can be placed in the same category as using disinfectant and lights as a cure.

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Tucson KNST radio Garret Lewis show. "A man was killed when he crashed his motorcycle. Autopsy showed he had the virus. The death was added to the virus death count. His death was added to the count because his condition may have caused the crash".

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The most they can possibly will do is take everyone's temperature at the crossing and tell you to quarantine before you cross.

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States within the USA are doing pretty much the same.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-reopening-many-still-require-215946935.html

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A follow-up article throwing water on the legality of such a move:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trump-american-travel-ban-coronavirus/2020/08/11/dd284caa-dbef-11ea-b4af-72895e22941d_story.html

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I and probably most do not have a subscription to the Washington Post.

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johnmoore wrote: I and probably most do not have a subscription to the Washington Post.I don't either.  Incognito mode, clearing cache and cookies and ad blockers are your friends!

Here are some links to other stories about it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-border.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-temporarily-ban-citizens-suspected-having-covid-19-entering-us-2020-8
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511439-trump-mulls-banning-return-of-us-citizens-suspected-of-contracting
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-coronavirus-considering-denying-reentry-us-citizens-green-card-holders/

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True Blue, we all know that many statements come out of the White house. That said, do not worry, any American can cross the border and come home.

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Maybe this thread should be ressurected, with the advent of new new's suggesting that efforts are taking place to make it uncomfortable for returning U.S. citizens.

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Sure wasn't happening last week when I returned north. Fastest crossing I ever did in 11 years.

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Pony, I would concur with you. Received a call this evening, a friend flew himself and his family out today, stated that, upon landing, he has never had his flight plans, his U.S. docs, and his luggage scrutinized as it was today. This, he stated was done in a very slow and methodical way. He did say all were pleasant, and left with just a slight irritant because it all appeared to be new procedure.

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johnmoore wrote: Maybe this thread should be ressurected, with the advent of new new's suggesting that efforts are taking place to make it uncomfortable for returning U.S. citizens.



There actually was a border slowdown about 10 days ago that was widely reported. I am speaking of northbound. It affected many border crossings, as the number of lanes was reduced and there were some reports of people being questioned about symptoms. Many news articles citing examples of border waits of 4-6+ hours, including the pedestrian crossings.


But it has not materialized since. I have periodically checked the border wait times at Mariposa and downtown, and the crossings have been very quick. It seems that the news of those long waits has discouraged crossings, since.


It will be interesting to see if this policy is re-instituted in advance of this busy holiday weekend. I am betting so. Probably start today or tomorrow, to deter people who might be considering coming south for the holiday.

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Just checked the CBP site. Zero minutes wait at Mariposa, 45 minutes downtown.

I get no border cams working from El Imparcial.

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The border patrol station is funded to work 7 days a week, not just on Tues, Wednesday and Thursday mornings.

Some tax papers actually work regular 9-5 hours during the week to make their tax contribution to the CBP budget, and travel on weekends because they have no other choice.

So while I am happy that some people can cherry pick travel times, our nation is supposed to operate with a little, some might even dare to say equal, consideration for all her citizens, and intentionally making people sit in line 5-6 hrs with one lane open during a peak travel time is criminal.

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I see no advantage to anyone politically to support this condition at the border...a 5-6 hr. wait. So, can we discuss this on and off again issue, without going too far astray? So why is this the case? Is it an effort to restrict travel back and forth by placing contemptable conditions...?

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