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 Posted: Sun Jul 19th, 2020 11:28 pm
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https://opinionsonora.com/2020/07/18/sujetos-encapuchados-y-armados-con-machetes-asaltan-a-conductores-sobre-carretera-cajeme-empalme/

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Since Dic 2018, a few Yaqui's have been trying to establish a Caseta de Cobro on the Hiway to charge 50-100 per car passing through their territory. It has been refused, even by members in their own community that look at it as undignified.

Opinion again publishes a story with no collaborating evidence even though they claim there have been 100's of incidents where masked men with machetes are supposedly threatening cars and drivers.

Opinion is also urging the Federales or Military to go to Potam and invervene, but not one complaint is cited either.

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That's not the whole story. Why not tell the story about the Fed Gov "taking their" water for the pipe to Hmo - and the roadblocks for months about 5? yrs ago. The Fed's and the Yaqui's came to an agreement on the water and the Yaqui's say the the Fed's have not fulfilled that agreement. So now they're protesting. That's my understanding -

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nice guy wrote: That's not the whole story. Why not tell the story about the Fed Gov "taking their" water for the pipe to Hmo - and the roadblocks for months about 5? yrs ago. The Fed's and the Yaqui's came to an agreement on the water and the Yaqui's say the the Fed's have not fulfilled that agreement. So now they're protesting. That's my understanding -



Good back ground.


And ever since the farmers in Obregon put a dam on the Yaqui river the Indians have been upset about their down stream allocation too.


Then when Hermosillo started pulling water from the Novio Dam on the same Yaqui River the farmers in Obregon also felt their allocation was being cut, even though Bours, a prominent Obregon farmer who was elected governor was one of the initial promotoors of the idea in the first place.


So the farther you are down stream the more you'll feel the pinch of a limited resource, especially if you want to flood irrigate to save money while wasting huge amounts of water.


Water rights will continue to be a problem in the Sonoran Desert, if that's news to anyone.



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I'm sorry if my posting of the article caused unwarranted concern. I was somewhat aware of the disputes, but I welcome the additional info posted here. Sounds like a legitimate beef.

Nonetheless....I would not want to come upon a checkpoint with masked men armed with sticks and machetes no matter the circumstances.

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Another article, no mention of threats to drivers.

http://elportaldelanoticia.mx/noticias/13-estatal/4548-yaquis-bloquean-totalmente-carretera-mexico-15-cerca-del-danzante-yaqui

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Now the want the government to fix the drinking water system in all 8 off their towns and compensate them to allow access for a new gas pipeline and fiber optic system that will cross their territory.

In other words more water and money.

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The Indians are now collecting in all three locations, demanding 50-100 pesos from each car.

As previously mentioned, this has been going on for a while, and the government needs to step in to resolve problems and enforce freedom of the road.

Imo, travelers and truck drivers being charged to transit is an unjust imposition on them.

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as stated this has been going on for years.
for 4 years i travel to Mazatlan to celebrate New Years.
 every year i do what every one else does. i drive off the hiway and proceed down the adjoining dirt road for several miles, until we can clear the road block. it has worked for me for years. 
i have noticed in those 4 years of travel, they seem to be concerned at blocking south bound travel and the north bound travel back has always been uneventful.


the tolls from Guaymas are no longer up except for the one to by pass Obregon. it is well worth the 100 + pesos spent and takes off about 30/45 minutes of the trip to Mazatlan. 
the tolls where still up in Sinoloa, they can be expensive and there a 3 within one hour from and past Culican.

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now it appears they are threatening to cut the water off in Guaymas, Emplame and San Carlos.


that is what the headline states, the reporter is misinformed, and sensationalizing the article. 


although there is an aqueduct serving Guaymas and Empalme, the water for San Carlos comes from wells east and northeast of town, we are not dependent on the aqueduct.


Amenazan yaquis con dejar sin agua a Guaymas, Empalme y San Carlos - OpiniĆ³n Sonora

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Amlo is scheduled to come to Sonora soon, so these protests are probably being backed by Eduardo Bours in Obregon in his desire to named as the guy who can control the Yaqui's, get in the news and further his campaign to be Governor of Sonora as a newly registered Independent, ex Pri.

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Bours - has he stolen enough yet to "share".

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Another article today about the roadblock/toll:

https://opinionsonora.com/2020/08/05/yaquis-bloquean-de-nuevo-el-tramo-carretero-empalme-ciudad-obregon-y-aplican-cuota-para-dejar-pasar/

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Their meeting with Lopez Obredor is scheduled for next Thursday, so my hunch was right.

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The back and forth continues:

https://opinionsonora.com/2020/08/07/amenazan-yaquis-con-dejar-sin-agua-a-guaymas-empalme-y-san-carlos-2/

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So anyways, AMLO, true to his word, met with 8 Yaqui tribal leaders and they signed off a number of petitions. But one of the leaders in Vicum wanted the Pres to also come and meet with him for an hour, and he was ignored. So he say they are going to block the trains and water starting today.

I don't know how they are going to block water that does not come through their land to Guaymas or SC, but that doesn't stop them from saying so.

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So after the meeting with AMLO, maybe you now get a HUG when you pay your toll!!

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