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 Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2020 03:53 am
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bartmanaz wrote: But is it still the place to get tourist cards and car permits if needed?

Yes,the small office is still open.

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longhornlucky wrote: POST #15
If you think you are as likely to get sick in Sonora where there are under 250 new cases a day compared to over 4500 in AZ, you are denying the facts. AZ is in big trouble right now and when the beds are full, a higher percentage are gonna die.This is look in the mirror time. 


Bullshipper why do you not compare apples to apples!!  If you test 10 people per day and 3 are positive that's 30%..  If, you test 1000 per day, that is 300.
Seems like there is a fallacy somewhere.  I'm not sure of the AZ bed capacity, but I am sure there is none here (Guaymas) and Mexico's death % was the third highest in the world..
I feel that mirror cracking..................


There is no denying that the hospitals are larger and better equipped in the states. Right now there are about 90,000 cases in AZ, and I believe less than 1800 have died which is due to the remarkable efforts by the doctors there. 


But now that they are being swamped with patients and the same Dr's have been warning us of the consequences. Lets hope they are wrong and the death rate doesn't rise or leave a lot of folks that survive with serious complications.


Sonora reports 8976 cases and 917 deaths, so the less than 50 respirators in the state have not proven to be enough.


So when I said its time to look in the mirror, I meant that to say that only we can prevent the spreading. Its not a political or testing problem, its us. And I personally feel a lot safer here or in Hermosillo than I would in AZ, and said so 3 weeks ago after seeing what was going on in Tucson. 

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Enrique Clausen nwo reports he tested positive, and the Governor has started a quarantine.

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390Pony, would you please explain how increased testing or false positives has caused a huge spike in patients being admitted to hospitals due to severe Covid-19 symptoms.

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Bullshipper, you make a great point. I totally understand and would probably rather not be anywhere near those numbers Arizona is reporting. I can imagine the stress on the healthcare system there as well.

My routine would be the same whether there or here. At this point I assume Covid-19 is everywhere and treat everybody outside my house as infected. It would be no different for me whether I am in Arizona or Sonora. My routines and techniques to keep me uninfected would be identical. My only point is healthcare in Mexico does not have the depth and capacity (human resources, medical equipment resources and hospital bed capacity) as The States healthcare system does if needed.

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Half of All Covid Tests Are Positive in Mexico, Highest in the World

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-01/half-of-all-covid-tests-are-positive-in-mexico-highest-in-world

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Not all those who test positive require hospitalization.

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Most testing positive do not require hospitalization. Good point Pony

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they may not need hospitalization, but they need to be QUARANTINED TO PREVENT THE SPREAD!! 
THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN OUR CURRENT POSITION!!

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Also, the news yesterday in Tucson said that the Covid wards in Tucson are not full and there are plenty of regular beds available, and ventilators, also. Don't know about Phoenix.

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this article was taken from the Arizona Daily Star at 8:15 July 3rd.


“We’re caring for physicians who have contracted this, we’re caring for mothers. Last week we withdrew life support on a 48-year-old mother and I stood out there with her 17-year-old son as she passed away,” said Muzzy, a clinical nurse specialist at Tucson Medical Center, where all 20 of 36 ICU beds dedicated to virus patients are full

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johnmoore wrote: Most testing positive do not require hospitalization. Good point PonyUnless, as stated in the article, you are only testing the sickest patients, then I would think that most/all would be hospitalized - wouldn't you?

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If you have no symptoms, you probably do not bother with getting tested, yet you could be positive and spreading it, if you go out, and socialize, and do not wear a mask. Tucson hospitals are full. Many people are still going out with out wearing a mask, and this is helping to spread the virus. Some are still in denial. "it is just the flu"

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IronMan wrote: johnmoore wrote: Most testing positive do not require hospitalization. Good point PonyUnless, as stated in the article, you are only testing the sickest patients, then I would think that most/all would be hospitalized - wouldn't you?There has been a big push for testing here, so no, it is not only the sickest patients being tested.

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Today AZ ICU beds are 91% full.

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Rocky Point is welcoming tourists!!! they are screening with a covid test given with results in 15 minutes, in Sonoyta! 
all sanitary protocol, masks, wipes, temperature readings, ect, is expected and offered in Puerto Penasco! 


Abren Puerto Peñasco al turismo nacional y extranjero | Radar Sonora


i hope this is successful, as it could be used as a MODEL here and other resort communities!

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Ironman, it is said there have been 30 million test administered in the U.S. Obviously there are not 30M in hospitals. So no, many more were tested than the sickest patients....and it stands to reason that the sickest patients testing positive were hospitalized.

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Benito_Villa wrote: Bullshipper, you make a great point. I totally understand and would probably rather not be anywhere near those numbers Arizona is reporting. I can imagine the stress on the healthcare system there as well.

My routine would be the same whether there or here. At this point I assume Covid-19 is everywhere and treat everybody outside my house as infected. It would be no different for me whether I am in Arizona or Sonora. My routines and techniques to keep me uninfected would be identical. My only point is healthcare in Mexico does not have the depth and capacity (human resources, medical equipment resources and hospital bed capacity) as The States healthcare system does if needed.


I agree with your statement, and realize you are very conscientious.


My point is people that are taking care are still getting sick. So I think that if you go into a room with 10x more infected people than the next room your chances of getting sick increase.


Every precaution you take helps your neighbor from getting sick. but even if you wear a full face and body suit, followed by a sterilization shower, Drs claimed it got to them by penetrating up through the soles of their footwear. Of course they are in a hospital surrounded by a lot of sick people, but that's precisely why Az concerns me too.

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kiteboarder wrote: Half of All Covid Tests Are Positive in Mexico, Highest in the World

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-01/half-of-all-covid-tests-are-positive-in-mexico-highest-in-world




Well that's alarming. 


Could even be actually more as the hospitals doing the testing are full and are reportedly sending a lot of folks home with a couple of aspirin and instructions to isolate in their 400 sq ft homes with 3 generations of family living there too.

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johnmoore wrote; ; it is said there have been 30 million test administered in the U.S. Obviously there are not 30M in hospitals. 

SMOKE and MIRRORS, 30 million tests DOES NOT MEAN, 30 million people tested, MANY people infected and NOT infected are tested multiple times! the White House staff are tested often if not daily, they probably account for thousands of tests alone!


the World Health Organization, suggests 10-30 tests per confirmed case!
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Testing - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data

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