San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico Forums Home 

San Carlos Mexico Forum
Welcome to our forum. In order to post in our forums you must be registered. Please take a minute to register to enjoy the full benefits of the forum. Registration is FREE and your information is kept private. When registering, please make sure your email address is entered correctly-if incorrect, you will not receive your validation message. Please do not use your email address as your user name for your own privacy and security. Gmail account users should check spam or trash folders for our validation message after initial registration. We also suggest you add host@sancarlosmexico.com to your white list.

This message board requires you to register in order to post new topics, reply to topics started by other users, start polls, or vote on polls. As a registered user, you can edit your own posts, upload photos and view our photo gallery, and send private messages to other members of the board. Registered users can keep track of the topics they are interested in, and receive e-mail notifications when someone posts to one of those topics. Registered users can choose a theme and setup a profile, to include hometown, email & web address and avatar if desired.
We do ask that you post in the appropriate forum-look over the subjects and topics of all forums including the mercado section before making your first post. Posts in the wrong forum or not related to San Carlos may be moved or deleted without notice.
Please take a moment and register to enjoy all the benefits of the forum.
Bienvenidos!

 Moderated by: bartmanaz  
AuthorPost
Virginia Traveller
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jan 2nd, 2020
Location: Virginia Beach, USA
Posts: 5
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I was just checking the forum for any news about the Coronavirus in Mexico.  Are there any conversations taking place in San Carlos?

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If in your 80's, self quarantining until the weather warms above 29 C is one option, wherever you are...

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I think the 2 cases of the virus in Mexico were in CDMX.
El Imparcial is reporting the case/s in Sinaloa actually turned out to be common cold.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
from what is being reported, we are only at the cusp of this epidemic! 
let me remind all. the earth has 2 hemispheres, the northern where this virus is active and the southern hemisphere! winter here, summer there!
it is only speculated that the virus may slow as it gets warmer, that prognosis is for the existing infected northern hemisphere! 
the virus is spreading and could be infecting the southern hemisphere, where their flu  season is only beginning! "i know it is not a flu"!!!!
probably from what is being reported, the most vulnerable are people with existing respiratory problems.  
also from what is being reported, since it is a virus and no existing medication available yet. treatment is being conducted by consuming "Gatorade" type drinks and products!
lets all use common sense and stay healthy!

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
There is no evidence weather impacts the virus.

It's only more active in the northern hemisphere right now because that is where it started.

Example of southern hemisphere infection/activity: Australia

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert

Last edited on Thu Mar 5th, 2020 06:41 pm by TrueBlue

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
trueblue, thank you for corroborating what i had posted!
the only source i am currently confident obtaining substantiate information from are the scientists from "WHO" World Health Organization!

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Today was the first time I noticed the Coronavirus announcements/commercials on MegaCable TV stations, giving viewers information about the virus and tips for preventing contracting it.


Glad they are getting this information out on TV.  I hope it helps educate and inform.


Stay healthy, everyone!

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
this thread was posted a week ago!
 it has worsened to the point where today the World Health Organisation declared the corona virus "COVID - 19" a pandemic! 


Last edited on Wed Mar 11th, 2020 10:57 pm by frankie

Kiwi
Member
 

Joined: Mon Oct 31st, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 408
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Just got a text message that no testing is being done at airports and that there are only 3 labs in Mexico that can process the tests and very few test kits and only in big hospitals.  Hang in there.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankie wrote: let me remind all. the earth has 2 hemispheres, the northern where this virus is active and the southern hemisphere! winter here, summer there!
it is only speculated that the virus may slow as it gets warmer, that prognosis is for the existing infected northern hemisphere! 
the virus is spreading and could be infecting the southern hemisphere, where their flu  season is only beginning! "i know it is not a flu"!!!!
lets all use common sense and stay healthy!
actor Tom hanks and his wife Rita have tested positive for convid- 19, THEY ARE IN AUSTRALIA WHERE IT IS SUMMER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aligato
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 96
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Well it's 30 degrees in Iran right now......

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I would venture to say, 99% of posters here are not obligated to a work schedule or anything else. So...if your mind needs peace.....stay in your home or compound for a couple of weeks. Watch TV, read, learn Spanish, pet your dogs...do something..but don't panic.

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Just because Tom and Rita Hanks are in Australlia where it is summertime does not mean they did not come in contact with someone that just got off a flight from Italy or anywhere else the virus is.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Benito_Villa wrote: Just because Tom and Rita Hanks are in Australlia where it is summertime does not mean they did not come in contact with someone that just got off a flight from Italy or anywhere else the virus is.this is absolutely true! which only proves how vulnerable we are! people are traveling from all over the world, every day every hour, the Hank's may not have even been close to an infected region! but someone they made contact with WAS!
it's a pandemic!


it seems here in San Carlos people have a "NO PASA NADA" attitude!
 of the 99% refereed to in post #13 who are retired, 80% or more of them are not from here, were have they been traveling in the last few weeks?


i am not paranoid, i think we should just heighten our social interactions! maybe avoiding the local customs of hugging, kissing, handshakes, until this settles down some!
be safe, enjoy life to the fullest, stay healthy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 04:54 pm by frankie

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
According to the CDC, they have developed a specialized test for the COVID 19 virus.  



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html


Who believes there are adequate supplies of the test here in Mexico?  
I have a hard time believing any reports of ‘confirmed’ cases of COVID 19 when it is unknown what testing method is being used in Mexico.
I suspect actual cases of COVID 19 in Mexico are severely under reported/estimated.

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The World Health Organization sent test kits last month to some 60 countries. Trump refused any, denying reality.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166

Due to this the US still does not have the capacity to test people that are showing signs of having the virus. Unless you have an underlying chronic illness that puts you at higher risk of death you will be refused getting the test even in ER. There are app. 26 test kits per 1 million people available.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
That CDC article is a few days old now.

I watched a posted You tube video from NBC News this morning. It appears to have been recorded from about 0800-1000 MST, today. It is a meeting of the House Oversight committee. They are getting testimony from the directors of the CDC and the NIAID about where we are at (in the US) with responding to COVID-19.

Naturally, it gets political at times. EVERYTHING DOES IN WASHINGTON THESE DAYS.

But there is good information, and probably the most current information, that you could get right now, on what the government is doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO-_aV-v7IA

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Today in the Flaming Liberal New York Times: 
U.S. Coronavirus Cases Surpass 1,400:


1,400 cases---1,400 This mess has been FABRICATED!!!!!
It's the FLU that is killing people!!!!!


All this information is accessible on Google....Any dimwit who wants to know can research it....PS, Voting is a Privilege that should be EARNED... 

Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 09:14 pm by Jimmy

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
MLB suspends all operations, including spring training.
NBA suspends operations.
NHL suspends operations.
March Madness cancelled.
Disneyland just closed.
Broadway closed.
All cruise ships docked.
Airlines cancel thousands of flights.
Amazon just told all employees to stay home.
Stock market dives 10+% in one day. 
Fed set to inject over one trillion dollars into the money supply.

And you think it's all a liberal plot, Jimmy?


Boy, those tricky liberals have sure fooled a lot of people.............

Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 09:41 pm by Hook

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Benito & Hook, thanks for the links...all interesting info.  

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Merriam/Webster,  Denial; refusal to admit the truth or reality of something.


* NBA season suspended
* NHL suspended
* MLB  suspending spring training
* NCAA suspended " no march madness"
* Disneyland in California closed
* schools closing nation wide
* travel to Europe suspended
* national guard deployed in New Rochelle NY.
* concerts cancelled
* cruise lines suspended
* exchange markets world wide tanking and in a BEAR market


maybe some are confusing denial with de nile, " a river"  because it does appear we are up a river with out a paddle!

Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 09:48 pm by frankie

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Deny this-------So far, in the US, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.Feb 21, 2020


Let me know when Corona numbers match.... LEMMINGS



EVERYONE SHOULD BE PRUDENT AND CAUTIOUS


Just Sayin'

Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 09:56 pm by Jimmy

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 12:54 am by johnmoore

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Deny this-------So far, in the US, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.Feb 21, 2020


Let me know when Corona numbers match.... LEMMINGS



EVERYONE SHOULD BE PRUDENT AND CAUTIOUS


Just Sayin'
jimmy, your are correct about the mortality regarding the flu! that's why it is recommended to get an annual flu vaccination!
 this is not the flu, there is no vaccination and the mortality rate is 10 times worse for people with pre existing conditions, asthma, bronchitis, diabetes, heart diseases, people over 60!!!

Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 10:22 pm by frankie

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
johnmoore wrote: Yes Hook, it probably is a liberal plot, worse yet a liberal "legal" plot.....all shut downs are "deep pocket" entities, all have been advised to shut it down to sidestep litigation. OMG, please!!! i am not a liberal and not an idiot! facts are facts!


this has to be one of the most ABSURD things i have seen written!
the liberals would unleash a global pandemic plague, to destroy the economy! 





Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 11:07 pm by frankie

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Anyone in the Tucson area can come attend our National Mustang Club of America show the last weekend of the month. We are not cancelling the show!

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 12:54 am by johnmoore

Steverhnm
Member


Joined: Sun Oct 23rd, 2016
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 45
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It's not weather that kills it, it is exposure to UV.  Notice all the main outbreaks are in areas with cloud cover.  They say warmer weather because the skies will clear.  Same thing that kills other viruses kills this one.  Real problem is close quarters contact.  People in those areas tend to be indoors more that other location.  The density of population base matters as well, notice NM, Montana, North Dakota.  Nothing to do with cold, it's about sunshine and being stuck in a room with the disease.


This too shall pass, albeit slowly most likely.  Good luck everyone.

Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2020 11:49 pm by Steverhnm

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
wait i get it now!! the flaming liberals hired Dr. Evil to develop covid - 19, he got mini me to sneak into COMMUNIST china undetected to release it!
my mistake!!

Attached Image (viewed 600 times):

dr evil.jpg

Last edited on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 12:18 am by frankie

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 12:55 am by johnmoore

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
we didn't do it, it's FAKE news!!!!!!!!!!!!
hehehehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attached Image (viewed 591 times):

mini me.jpg

Last edited on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 01:12 am by frankie

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
IMHO there is no room for partisanship in this global crisis!


for the record i do NOT belong to either party, which have both lost their way!


i will proudly admit i voted for 48 years for the conservative views of one party! 


 the current extreme ideology of both parties is unpalatable and divisive!! 


 nothing is accomplished and nothing is gained!


i learned a long time ago, when pointing a finger of blame, there are 3 fingers pointing back at me!


just as polio, measles, tuberculosis, malaria, ebola, cholera, were terrifying to the masses until controlled, convid - 19 will also, until it is a distant memory!


be cautious and remain healthy

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
All of the Main Stream Media is hard pushing "Panic"..... I am taking a wait-see attitude...I am not seeing mas illness, but I am hearing the MSM pound the dire situation as if there was Mas illness and it is "AT MY DOOR"..which it is NOT...If I am at fault, and Crazy, to Not Panic then----So Be It...But, as for Me--- I Will Not Panic.. If you choose to Panic then don't bug me about it...I am content..

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
my mom told me today and my son tonight, that paper products; toilet paper, paper towels, napkins are nearly impossible to purchase because of the hoarding!
my mom is in tucson and my son in phoenix. he just returned from a corporate trip to Pittsburgh, same there! 

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
MARIGOT wrote: According to the CDC, they have developed a specialized test for the COVID 19 virus.  



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html


Who believes there are adequate supplies of the test here in Mexico?  
I have a hard time believing any reports of ‘confirmed’ cases of COVID 19 when it is unknown what testing method is being used in Mexico.
I suspect actual cases of COVID 19 in Mexico are severely under reported/estimated.


Everyone is worrying about testing. Mexico is saying if you feel symptoms, stay home and they will come and test you.
Ohio is saying that less than 6 people have tested positive, but they estimate that 117,000 are now carriers in the state. You can test, but I think you will know when you have it, and by the time you see symptoms, not much a test is going to do.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Take a look at what others are calling "Overblown Hype"....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/29/dr_drew_pinsky_threat_of_coronavirus_an_overblown_press-created_hysteria.html?fbclid=IwAR2K-BmxTa0YBD9XCQiUDEzYpvvxskYUWmK0OzczmxAikSa5UIwCnRN952U


https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR0fTKHtDaipH7Eo_UjepOQb3ZcjYOUDMAoyruy0kl2qhkprw9jDXrzqb2E

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I totally agree Jimmy.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Deny this-------So far, in the US, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.Feb 21, 2020


Let me know when Corona numbers match.... LEMMINGS



EVERYONE SHOULD BE PRUDENT AND CAUTIOUS


Just Sayin'


Corona numbers dont have a chance of matching right now, since the TOTAL number of tested persons in the US is only around 7,600 (or slightly higher, since some states don't report negative tests, only positive ones).


Think about that for a second. This pandemic reached the US about five weeks ago, and only about 8-10k have been tested, out of a population of around 320 million. 



Here is an article, from yesterday, about how testing is "progressing". I don't claim to know if Yahoo is a liberal, commie-pinko rag.  So, ignore it if you prefer your "news" from the administration's PR firm, Fox News. I do watch Fox News a bit, and often find them more balanced than CNN or MSNBC. But all are biased, in this day and age.


https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-tested-only-77-people-this-week-coronavirus-testing-slow-around-the-nation-153646616.html



Note that, within the article, a CDC head states that we will not be able to test our way out of this crisis. Not enough tests, too many people.


This is why cancelling large gatherings of persons is occurring. We have no idea how many are infected, since some show no symptoms, yet are carriers. In the absence of widespread testing and any treatment or vaccine, it's the next best way of slowing the spread, until we learn more about it or develop a treatment. And travel bans DO help, according to health experts, not just politicians.


In the meantime, there is a whole new list of "liberal-inspired" manifestations of this "hoax".......


-Many states are completely cancelling schools and colleges for 2-4 weeks or TFN.
-XFL regular season cancelled.
-that liberal bastion, the National Rife Association, has cancelled their annual convention.


Jerry Falwell, Jr., leader of Liberty College in Virginia, was on Fox News yesterday. He floated the idea that the corona virus was a joint venture created by China and North Korea, and is the Christmas present that the leader of North Korea promised Trump around Christmas time.


Yep, that's what he said............



Last edited on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 02:37 pm by Hook

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Trump to address the nation today in about four hours, on the corona virus situation.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i watched both of the articles jimmy provided for us to watch! 
the one article with Dr. Drew Pinsky, he finishes saying don't listen to him listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci, that he is the expert!
Dr. Fauci is on the presidents advisory team and respected through out the world for his expertise and advice!
maybe someone can paste some of Dr. Fauci's advice, i would if i had the ability or knowledge to do so!

Last edited on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 03:55 pm by frankie

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Trump falls for the liberal conspiracy on corona virus. He will declare a national emergency in his address at 3pm, EST.

It's here on Fox News.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5_NvJz1io

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 12:52 am by johnmoore

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I agree that Dr. Fauci is the only person in the media/government speaking consistently with any credibility behind them. Listen to everything you can when he is speaking.

I just learned that my sister, who lives in Spain and is *very* physically active, has the corona virus (not verified by testing, but very likely). I spent about 30 minutes on the phone with her and she sounds horrible, but not fatal-horrible. She has been sick for several weeks. It is alarming because she is one of the most healthy people I know, clean diet, long distance runner, avid hiker, etc. I have not heard her sound this sick, ever. She is in her mid-50's. This virus is not a joke. She has self-quarantined.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankie wrote: the only source i am currently confident obtaining substantiate information from are the scientists from "WHO" World Health Organization!

i posted this a week ago, they " WHO" are the collaboration of drs. and scientists around the world, they where on top of from the beginning of it's reporting! they have provided nations world wide testing kits!

i agree with jimmy, pony, and john ALL the media outlets are over blowing this problem, and politicians on BOTH sides are using it for their advantage!


* it is real
* 81 % will get mild to no symptoms
* 14 % sever symptoms " pneumonia"
* 5 % are critical/ fatal
the measures taken drastic as they are, slow the spread of this virus. the Chinese where the world wide model with their drastic and radical quarantine of an entire province!
there will have to be sacrifices made to slow and hopefully stop the spread! the current administration is following suite, better late than not!

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Just heard that all Semana Santa celebrations in Mexico have been cancelled. No source. Just our neighborhood watch Whatsapp group.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tELeCovh1E


I now enter self imposed quarantine to protect myself from-The Hysterical, Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses who are certainly going to DIE.... 




THIS TOO SHALL PASS--But if it doesn't--- May God Have Mercy On You All...And, When you are dead can I have your stuff?????   

Last edited on Wed Mar 25th, 2020 04:13 pm by Jimmy

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TrueBlue wrote: I agree that Dr. Fauci is the only person in the media/government speaking consistently with any credibility behind them. Listen to everything you can when he is speaking.


i don't think anyone can disagree with this suggestion!

Last edited on Fri Mar 13th, 2020 05:47 pm by frankie

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The problem is Trump has no credibility concerning the virus. His response has been scattershot and haphazard at best. Today he will declare a national emergency freeing up millions of federal and state dollars to combat the virus. Even billions if he enacts the Stafford Act. Why is he doing that if this is just the common Flu?

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
johnmoore wrote: effort to display a presidential posture yesterday, was no more effective than Frnkie, Hook, or me, or anyone else, going on TV and trying to convince. everyone, that we had all the answers.  

hahaha, leave me out of it, because i would never be in that position! i have to many skeletons in my closet or buried in the back yard! hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attached Image (viewed 645 times):

be prepared.jpg

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 12:53 am by johnmoore

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 







Stanford hospital board internal message. 
The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon. 
 
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS 
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold 
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose. 
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 C degrees. It hates the Sun. 
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne. 
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. 
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice. 
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on. 
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. 
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water! 
 
THE SYMPTOMS 
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. 
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. 
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

Virginia Traveller
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jan 2nd, 2020
Location: Virginia Beach, USA
Posts: 5
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I am very impressed with the recent responses to my post about the Coronavirus in San Carlos.  It indicates a thoughtful readership on this forum.  There must not be any known cases in San Carlos, although there are elsewhere in Mex.  I especially liked the interjection of humor by Jimmy.

maryt
Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 14th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 815
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Regarding Semana Santa,here is a link to an article from two days ago. Mexico is aware of the problems presented by large crowds of people but has taken no action yet: https://www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2020/03/11/un-spring-break-contagiado-por-el-coronavirus-como-afectara-la-pandemia-de-covid-19-al-turismo-en-mexico/

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
#52 the Stanford Hospital post is fake - all BS. The real Stanford posted -

Misinformation about COVID-19 symptoms and treatment falsely attributed to Stanford is circulating on social media and in email forwards. It is not from Stanford. Official information from Stanford is available at https://t.co/LlNXeyuejP.

— Stanford University (@Stanford) March 13, 2020

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
NG makes a great point. There is a plethora of COVID-19 info floating around but the best sources are CDC, Johns Hopkins and WHO.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
https://hub.jhu.edu/novel-coronavirus-information/
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

Please check and verify sources before you publish supposedly current info that you got by email, facebook, twitter and the rest-most of that is bullsh*t and I dont want it here.

Also keep your political opinions to yourself-this is not about politics it is about lives-yours and ours.

odwyerpw
Member


Joined: Fri Feb 24th, 2006
Location: Alamos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 722
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Mister Cumbia has advice worth heeding:

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=zG7KShvqg9A&list=RDAMVMzG7KShvqg9A

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 12:51 am by johnmoore

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It does not need discussion here. Plenty of political commentary going on in the USA with a major election season approaching and all the airways filled with it. Think what you like but if this turns into a political thread it will be locked. I don't push my personal political views here and simply require others to show the same respect. 

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Great advice Bart! I am surprised by the empty paper products shelves here in Tucson. Also surprised by the attitude of many shoppers who can't find toilet paper. Be careful where ever you shop. There are some seriously stressed out people in the aisles.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankie wrote: my mom told me today and my son tonight, that paper products; toilet paper, paper towels, napkins are nearly impossible to purchase because of the hoarding!
my mom is in tucson and my son in phoenix. he just returned from a corporate trip to Pittsburgh, same there! 
LTR, my family has informed of the same and you and debbie st. onge are verify the news.
i went to sam's club early this morning. they at the moment have LOTS!! 

Attached Image (viewed 554 times):

20200314_091808.jpg

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
while i was there everyone shopping had toilet paper in their carts! i bought some and paper towels and canned chicken.

Attached Image (viewed 552 times):

20200314_113451.jpg

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
canned chicken, hmm well will see!

Attached Image (viewed 553 times):

20200314_113723.jpg

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i thought maybe i should also add to my medical supplies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attached Image (viewed 552 times):

20200314_123033.jpg

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I can assure everyone here that up in the USA right now (I'm in California) media coverage of the shortages is not exaggerating the situation.  Drove by Costco this morning at 8AM....they open at 9:30.  There were 250 people in line.  It's like that every morning.  Whole supermarket aisles completely cleared out.  Restaurants empty.  Service workers taking a big hit (I'm still going to restaurants and getting take-out to help support them). When I was at Costco the other day they had just put out bottled water and people were grabbing them like it was free money.  Do they really think their tap will run dry?

I am definitely NOT one to hoard.  We buy what we need but it can be tough to find, which makes you want to buy more because you're afraid it won't be there the next time you need it.  I'm convinced that if the media would not cover it the hoarding the situation would improve in short order.  The panic is irrational but it's there.  Please try to only buy what you reasonably need.

I would guess it's just a matter of time before it happens in Guaymas.

The only thing people really do need right now is Clorox wipes, soap, Lysol, etc., so I can (only sorta) understand those shortages.  Maybe paper towels if you're anal about cleaning, but you really don't need to worry about cleaning your own home unless someone there has the virus.  It's not like it's going to bust through the front door and contaminate your house.

Anyway, enough of my venting.  It's frustrating.  Be prepared, no need to panic, and I hate to say this, but there will probably be shortages down there soon as well.

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 10:50 pm by TrueBlue

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If warehouses in the states run out, I doubt if Mexico gets new stock prior to closer destinations.

Mike Rivers
Member


Joined: Sat Feb 8th, 2020
Location:  
Posts: 11
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimmy, but there is a vaccine for the flu

Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2020 10:45 pm by Mike Rivers

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
My sister, who I earlier mentioned likely HAS the coronavirus in Spain, just sent me this picture which couldn't more perfectly capture the mood here for the more paranoid in California/USA.  Enjoy.

Attached Image (viewed 523 times):

IMG-20200313-WA0016.jpg

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
being prepared "vs" panic hoarding


* most who are prepared are already well stocked, probably making a few purchases to "top things off" and are capable of taking care of themselves, even when the shelves are empty! 


* panic hoarders, have been caught with their pants down, and do not know or have the judgement of what do! they will be the dangerous ones, when everything runs out !! 
there are already videos circulating of 2 women fighting over a bundle of toilet paper! one has a shopping cart LOADED with bundles of toilet paper! 


here is a photo of what i bought this morning, no HOARDING just topping off!

Attached Image (viewed 512 times):

20200314_094111.jpg

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
That incident took place in Australia.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Mike Rivers wrote: jimmy, but there is a vaccine for the fluYet we have had thousands die from the flu this season.....


There is No vaccine for Panic.....And, we still can't cure STUPID...But a nurse told me that STUPID can be sedated


Where it comes to having necessary supplies on hand----For sometime now I have been actively accumulating Long Term Storage of Living Necessities so I can get by a year or more...Just in case SHTF....


All is well As I continue my Self Imposed Quarantine guarding against The Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses who are certainly going to DIE.... 


when you die can i have your stuff?






  



MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Yes

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote:
Where it comes to having necessary supplies on hand----For sometime now I have been actively accumulating Long Term Storage of Living Necessities so I can get by a year or more...Just in case SHTF....


jimmy, there was never any doubt in my mind you would be prepared!

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TrueBlue wrote: I can assure everyone here that up in the USA right now (I'm in California) media coverage of the shortages is not exaggerating the situation.  Drove by Costco this morning at 8AM....they open at 9:30.  There were 250 people in line.  It's like that every morning.  

This is REALLY bad.


There's probably no Costco hot dogs to be had, at this point.

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
You can still get your hot dogs! I feel for the service people. They will suffer the most with this panic. Having always worked from home, my life hasn't changed much. Everything is cancelled in Tucson as far as events, or any gatherings.

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Everything is not cancelled in Tucson. There are several car-related events being held, including the national show I am chairing the last weekend of the month.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
the attempt we are undergoing in the USA for social "physical" distancing in important to "flatten the curve"!
 the less people out, the less people contaminated.
 this will allow for a better control and prevent our health facilities and first responders from becoming over run!


we are a country by it's inception of "REBELS" , it will be difficult for some to follow the suggested rules!


much like having unprotected sex with a stranger, some will and some won't! 
in the end the one's who headed suggest advice will hopefully be better off than those who didn't!


selfishness has no place in today's outlook, be safe, have patience, look forward to a brighter future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Sun Mar 15th, 2020 04:51 pm by frankie

SBT
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jul 19th, 2013
Location: Story, Wyoming USA
Posts: 153
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Here is a link to the Mexican Ministry of Health daily updates. It has further links showing the number of confirmed cases including their locations and the number of suspected cases with each of their locations. It is in Spanish, but can be easily understood with just some basic Spanish knowledge.

So far, nothing in our area.

https://www.gob.mx/salud/documentos/nuevo-coronavirus-2019-ncov-comunicado-tecnico-diario

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
SBT, great link, thank you.
 reading, an alarming amount of the confirmed cases are coming from people who came in from Italy, Spain, and USA! 


this may correlate with the other thread "semana santa dates have been moved" and post, regarding students returning home from Europe for semana santa!
 hopefully there will be precautionary procedures in place. so these returning students and travelers can be properly quarantined in designated facilities!

Last edited on Sun Mar 15th, 2020 05:24 pm by frankie

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
So, people coming to San Carlos for Semana Santa and those already here. Two groups- old and young. This is early on in the game where not many people are infected in Sonora with crona virus. Young, non infected people gathered in a group pose no infections threat. In the unlikely event that there are a few who may be infectious there will be many non infectious once that will act as buffers. Meaning that in case anyone sneezes then chances are that those around that person will be able to fight of an infection if they got infected.
With so much information out there I am sure anyone showing symptoms will quickly be identified by the kids themselves and hopefully somewhat contained.
It is just a matter of time. Everyone in this world will eventually be exposed to this virus much like the many flu strains already that are here.
The governments are trying to slow this exposure so that those who end up being severely infected will have enough resources to look after them.
Most of the people attending Semana Santa will be able to fight the virus should they get infected. If they show symptoms then these will mostly be when they will be back at home. There is no guarantee that they would not have caught anything at home either.
Since there is no cure then identification of the virus does not change the outcome. So not to worry about test kits for everyone. Save the test kits for those vulnerable to getting severe symptoms so that early supportive treatment can begin.
Those who have concerns can very easily isolate themselves at home since the Semana Santa crowds are isolated to the beaches and the main road.
Generally speaking we need a trickle of people fighting it and becoming immune and hence slowing the spread. Almost like when vaccines are given but in this case it is an immunity acquired by direct exposure.
Identification of those who have fought this strain of the virus is valuable so that if needed these individuals can be frontline helpers in hospitals if needed.
Of course everyone has the right to be concerned about their health but is it any better when everyone in the restaurant or store is older and falls in the category of vulnerable to sever symptoms?
I say let the young crowds come and then disperse away like always.
For those who are concerned please locate to an area where there will be resources to look after you in case you need that care.

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Well said, jimw.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
San Carlos IS NOT only the beach town in Mexico!
 there are hundreds of Semana Santa / spring break destinations here in Mexico! it is possible the thousands who have traditionally attended, will continue to attend, unless there is a government enforced prohibition!


you must have forgotten what spring break / Semana Santa is about, "sex drugs and rock & roll" all inhibitions are tossed into the wind! 


are you oblivious of the now sanctioned sporting events, concert venues, cruise ships, air travel cancellations and schools that have been closed????????????????

Last edited on Sun Mar 15th, 2020 10:06 pm by frankie

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankie wrote:

we are a country by it's inception of "REBELS" , it will be difficult for some to follow the suggested rules!


much like having unprotected sex with a stranger, some will and some won't! 
in the end the one's who headed suggest advice will hopefully be better off than those who didn't!


selfishness has no place in today's outlook, be safe, have patience, look forward to a brighter future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hah, there is rebellion of what most of the global governments are now and planning enforcing, RIGHT HERE on this forum!! OMG

SBT
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jul 19th, 2013
Location: Story, Wyoming USA
Posts: 153
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Totally disagree with what jimw has said. Avoidance is the key, especially in an older community. With a large number of outside visitors coming from areas with infected persons into a as yet to be affected area, you are just increasing the odds of spreading the virus. Once it is spread among our waiters, dishwashers, clerks, grocery stockers etc, our ride begins.

I do however, totally understand there are no gates to close.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
SBT wrote: Totally disagree with what jimw has said. Avoidance is the key, especially in an older community. With a large number of outside visitors coming from areas with infected persons into a as yet to be affected area, you are just increasing the odds of spreading the virus. Once it is spread among our waiters, dishwashers, clerks, grocery stockers etc, our ride begins.

hopefully most are agreement with you SBT!!!!!!


the virus pathogens left by the carriers can be active HOURS after their host carriers have left! 


the key to "flatten the curve" is to avoid physical contact and crowed venues!

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The internet is full of bad news, and as we isolate and depend on it more, I "worry" that our worrying might actually have a more drastic affect  on us.

Headlines from China suggest that the virus is still being seen in folks that were released as healty still show the pathogen 37 days later, and counting.
A Mexico "expert" stated that a year will be needed to beat this here, and that the flu season will start prior to that next year. Mexico City is still the largest City in the world, and poor people have tiny homes making distancing impossible.


I am just hoping that it will turn out to be like our Hurricane warnings that result in a whisper of wind con favor de Dios.

Last edited on Sun Mar 15th, 2020 11:37 pm by Bullshipper

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Only posting this to try and alleviate fears. It seems no one from this thread is fearful though. I work as a nurse at a big hospital in phoenix. We have not seen any confirmed cases of covid-19 as of today. Last statistic was 10 confirmed cases in AZ. 80% of this virus are mild cases and as you know if is more fatal in elderly population with pre-existing conditions, It is however amazing to me how the media has blown this way out of proportion. Staples such as rice, beans, pasta are hard to find, and of course tiolet paper. Panic hoarding caused by media. 
 Fun facts: 1918 flu pandemic ( spanish flu ) was H1N1 virus. Much deadlier than covid-19. 
I hope everyone in this world would exercise common sense and stay calm. 

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
New guidelines, issued in the last hour by the CDC, recommend CANCELLING ALL IN-PERSON EVENTS WITH OVER 50 PEOPLE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT WEEKS!

I kid you not.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/large-events/mass-gatherings-ready-for-covid-19.html

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
diver45, thank you, your in the trenches observation is assuring!!! people are in a panic and over reacting! i also addressed that in a previous post!


but your fun fact statistic is 100 years old, there are now vaccines that probably would have reduced the mortality rate of H1 N1, tremendously.
 
today for example the "corona" family of viruses have already had much study. the speed to a vaccine will be much faster in the 21st century than it was in the 20th! 
remember the old slogan "better living through chemistry" ?

Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 01:10 am by frankie

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Cause and effect?

Is the media creating an irrational frenzy about the virus, or are there just too many people these days that are too ignorant of how to recognize the irrationality of it all?

I mean, if "smart" phones are the repository of many folk's "smarts" these days, maybe they ain't gettin' much "smart" exercising of their brains.

BTW, in the last 20 minutes, the website worldometer.info, that so many sources are using as a count of Novid-19 cases, worldwide, was hacked and false numbers were displayed for a time. Insidious.

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I am not convinced that hands must always be washed with antiseptic cleaner. If your skin is not broken then the skin is a very effective protective organ. It will keep bacteria and viruses away. Water alone will wash away dirt along with contaminants which are water soluble. Sometimes it is better to use oil, butter, or Vaseline to help dissolve away those materials which are not water soluble. Pathogens are also “washed away” along with dirt and grease. If the hands have been sufficiently washed and apear clean to you then under normal daily use your hands are clean. Question is what are you going to do with your hands? If you are going to perform a medical procedure then you need to one step more and need to use a antiseptic cleaner. For the normal person clean water with soap is enough. No need for antiseptic.
Reserve antiseptics for cleaning surfaces like door handles, counter tops, toilet seats etc. If you have a weak immune system then use antiseptic cleaner if you are going to touch your mouth, eyes or inside your nose as these routs are where infections can occur. We must break this habit of touching these areas anyway.
An antiseptic cleaner is great if there is lack of clean water. Remember to let the antiseptic do it’s work. Do not use your hands for a good five minutes after you have rubbed in the antibacterial.
I have seen where someone will wander over to a hand cleaner bottle with their hands in their pockets or with a cell phone in their hands. After using the sanitizer they will pick up the dirty cell phone or out their hands back in their pockets... they have reinfected their hands. Hand washing will break the chain of infection if used properly. If you have touched “dirty” surfaces then wash your hands before you touch another surface. After touching a dirty door knob do not touch the counter. If you wash your hands frequently then you are less likely to contaminate many surfaces.
Remember indiscriminate use of all antiseptics will breed resistant organisms. Be mindful as to when it is appropriate to use antiseptics. Antiseptics must not be used in all situations. Sometimes plain water will work and other times water and soap.
Live fungi, bacteria, and viruses may be killed by an antiseptic but a fungus, bacteria, or viruses that have had a chance to be dormant by producing a strong coating are very hard to kill even with antiseptics.
Remember live viruses may only last for up to a few days but once they become dormant then they can be very resistant and under the right conditions will become active. We need to know for this virus it’s life cycle. How long will this virus survive on a dry surface, on a wet surface, or how much heat will kill it. Also, under what conditions it becomes dormant and what conditions make it active. Will cold kill it? Will salt water kill it? We need to collect facts.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimw, your post #91 appears to be a reversal of your post #80 !!!!


* post #80 condones the possible spread of the virus by allowing formation of large groups, which scientists, doctors and government agencies are warning against doing! 


* post #91 your last paragraph elaborates on the virus active life span, which key to it's spread!


i find it curious that you expound on the re-contamination of the washed hands by touching their cell phones! i agree!! 
but you failed to realize the contamination restarted when you turned the faucet off you opened with your contaminated hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the reality is we PUBLICLY don't have the proper sanitation facilities, JUST TO WASH OUR HANDS!
 WE ARE NOT PREPPING FOR A SURGICAL PROCEDURE!


the best advise the PROFESSIONALS are giving, is to isolate and mitigate!

Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 01:41 pm by frankie

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I am in line with what the governments are trying to do and that is that they know they cannot stop the spread of covid-19 but they would like to slow it down. This would allow them to not overwhelm their medical system, and hope that a vaccine can be developed in a speedy manner, and allow the flu season to pass through.
As the government works on the larger scale to contain the spread of virus on the large scale we individuals must do the same at the local scale. We all know which populations are vulnerable and these must stay in their own homes and isolate themselves. The younger and otherwise healthy older must also plan to be less active with the ultimate goal of isolation as well.
Hence, the closure of large events, schools, universities, malls etc.
The challenge is how to implement at the individual level.
In reality, how many those over 60 and retired are even 80% of the time at home? At the time of long weeks and Semana Santa I am sure 100 % off the older population can easily stay at home.
I am a retail worker and now that I have returned home I have quarantined my self for 2 weeks and hope to start work after this time.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimw wrote:  Everyone in this world will eventually be exposed to this virus much like the many flu strains already that are here.
Most of the people attending Semana Santa will be able to fight the virus should they get infected. 
Those who have concerns can very easily isolate themselves at home since the Semana Santa crowds are isolated to the beaches and the main road.
Generally speaking we need a trickle of people fighting it and becoming immune and hence slowing the spread. Almost like when vaccines are given but in this case it is an immunity acquired by direct exposure.
Identification of those who have fought this strain of the virus is valuable so that if needed these individuals can be frontline helpers in hospitals if needed.
I say let the young crowds come and then disperse away like always.
For those who are concerned please locate to an area where there will be resources to look after you in case you need that care.
this is what you wrote in a previous post! your ignorance is bliss!!!
 better to do the back peddling you are now doing THAN NOT!!!!!!!!!!
your recommendation for semana santa, would only spread the disease here in mexico.
should Mexico only show a small percentage of infected cases the USA is showing THE BORDER WILL CLOSE!
that will effectively stop the existing transfer of goods, primarily agriculture products! the shelves are empty now, but can be restocked, ONLY if the supply chain is not broken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*30 million children are now out school because of preventative closing.
*in the last 24 hours over 300 people died in Italy
*after 8:00 pm tonight all restaurants, bars, casinos closed in New York, New Jersey,Connecticut!



Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 04:04 pm by frankie

Don
Member
 

Joined: Wed Nov 2nd, 2005
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 109
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie,  Give it a rest.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
don, some people don't know when to come in out of the rain!
 i am just advocating what posts from Bart's # 56, SBT #78 and hook's #88 are suggesting as referable information, as apposed to someones "hunch"!!!!!


i'll call over to capt's and place a beer for you on my tab!

Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 05:27 pm by frankie

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Franki I agree with you that if you avoid the virus then you will not get it. Ok. So when Semana Santa is here then whoever does not want to catch the virus (from the people at Semana Santa) should stay at home for the time of the parade and for a few days after, just to be on the safe side. Correct?
Then please stay at home. That is what I would recommend at that time. It is within your power. I would expect 100 % of the people to stay at home. Will you stay at home? I hope so.
So far the Mexican governments confident that their population is immunology strong enough to withstand a minor assault of this virus. It is these small challenges that will build up the strength of the people.
Keep calm! No one is spreading virus all over Sonora.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Someone is this threads most prolific poster with 32 Posts----Dare I say a Serial Poster needs a hobby....

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html  


please open this link and see how easy the transmission can be by one person!

Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 06:42 pm by frankie

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Does anyone know what Kills more people on this Planet than Anything Else????????????????


NATURAL CAUSES!!!!!!  Yet, there is No research looking for a vaccination or cure----Where is the Hysteria about this Heinous Killer??  


Go Figure!!!!  


I now return to self imposed quarantine to protect myself from-The Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses who are certainly going to DIE.... 
Can I have your stuff when you die from the Corona??]

Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 08:28 pm by Jimmy

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
For fear of stirring things up....

Death by pneumonia would be listed on the death certificate as "natural causes" with pneumonia listed as a "contributing factor".

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TrueBlue wrote: For fear of stirring things up....

Death by pneumonia would be listed on the death certificate as "natural causes" with pneumonia listed as a "contributing factor".


Killjoy--:cool:

Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2020 11:11 pm by Jimmy

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, I guess what my point was H1N1 packs a serious punch, H1N1 ( swine flu ) in 2009 killed many people, much more so far anyway than Novid. Not minimizing this virus, just things did not get shut down then. All good, it will pass!

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
They just unloaded a tour bus at the Marina Tierra Hotel full of oriental tourists. Locals are saying they are Chinese.

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Well, no ban on flights into Mexico from China, looks like!!
Go figure...

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Here is the bottom line fear. Government officials aren't coming out and saying this, but they are reacting to the statistics in Italy.

There is this stat called "closed cases" on the virus. Closed cases are cases where people who caught it either recovered/were discharged from treatment facilities and declared over it or died from it. Those are closed cases, in both instances.

In Italy, 46% of the closed cases have resulted in death. That's right. Of all the persons who contracted it already and either recovered or died, 46% of them died.

There are thousands more in Italy (about 26,000 more, as of midnight, last night) who are in the statistic of "active cases". Of those, about 8% are in "serious or critical condition". Of the other 92%, they could improve or slip into that 8% category.

These currently on-going death percentages are WAY HIGHER than in China.

There are two significant factors in this, with respect to Italy.

-One is that Italy has the highest percentage of elderly persons in the world.

-Two is that it spread so quickly and overwhelmed their health care system so completely that they didn't have enough means (mostly aids to respiration, because most everyone is dying of respiratory failure) to treat all the elderly that became sick. They died before they could receive the treatment that might have saved them. Just not enough means to treat so many, in such a short time.

The health care officials in the US know fully well that if the curve continues to increase in the US, the US does not have the means of treating all the sick, elderly people, either. Many have already said this, openly.

So, until we get those means, they are recommending these seemingly draconian measures of closing virtually all non-essential person-to-person activities.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
remember my picture on post #61, here is what it looked like at about 10:30 this morning

Attached Image (viewed 905 times):

20200317_103300.jpg

Last edited on Tue Mar 17th, 2020 07:41 pm by frankie

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
the line at Sam's club extended all the way back of the store where the refrigerated coolers are. Santa Rosa"s, many of the shelves  near empty!

Attached Image (viewed 917 times):

20200317_103601.jpg

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bullshipper wrote: They just unloaded a tour bus at the Marina Tierra Hotel full of oriental tourists. Locals are saying they are Chinese.

Someone I know just went by the hotel and said there are military personnel everywhere, down there.


?????

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankie wrote: the line at Sam's club extended all the way back of the store where the refrigerated coolers are. Santa Rosa"s, many of the shelves  near empty!

Meh, that's just a normal line at most Costcos!! :D

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
the CI bank here had a lot of traffic also!

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Y'all stay safe and hang in there and we will all get thru this difficult time together. Don't hoard, don't be silly on travel or meetings or whatever and give those close to you a big hug and just bang an elbow on the rest.

Bart & Linda

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Response to post #109 about the hotel...I drove by there at 5:35 and 7:30 pm and there was NOTHING going on.
No Asian visitors, buses, or military personnel in sight.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
There are some pics of the military presence on the What's Up Facebook Forum. They were there.

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I saw them on my house cameras.

SBT
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jul 19th, 2013
Location: Story, Wyoming USA
Posts: 153
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
According to the update yesterday from the Mexican Ministry of Health, there is one confirmed case in Sonora. A 72 year old male who had visited the US.

https://www.gob.mx/salud/documentos/nuevo-coronavirus-2019-ncov-comunicado-tecnico-diario

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
No offense, but after living in Mexico for over 35 years, I do not trust the news agencies. Nor do I have faith in the medical information that they may share with the public. Like they have actually tested people who are sick, have the tests? Or just testing in large cities? There are hardly any tests in the US for the population.....Things have changed globally with this new virus, and I am not an alarmist, but I am staying at home. You never know who might be a carrier. Why risk it? I have no underlying health issues, but you never know? Hopefully the warmer weather will make this virus go away. It keeps evolving, so who knows.....stay safe.

FredR
Member
 

Joined: Tue Mar 10th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 7
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Interesting reading.
Some of the posts did not age well :shock: 
The worst is yet ahead of us and I am thankful for this forum.
Please do your part. Don't be a spreader.
Thank you.

marlin master
Member


Joined: Sat Mar 19th, 2011
Location: Nutrioso, Arizona USA
Posts: 558
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I just heard on the news that the man in HMO did Not have covid-19 virus, it was a false positive test. He has been sent home.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

The statistics in Italy continue to be very alarming. 3500 new cases today. Their number of dead will surpass China sometime today or tomorrow. If the China statistics can be believed.


Italy's "closed cases" percentage has dipped a bit to 57-43;  recovered vs. dead.


So far, after a week's worth of social distancing and the closure of virtually everything, the curve is not flattening at all. But many Italians are ignoring the social restrictions. Over 200,000 citations have been issued in the last week or so.


I saw a pic of the Trevi Fountain in Rome today. Not a single person in sight. If you've been there, you know how unusual that is.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
the AP is reporting; Wuhan China is reporting NO new cases!

Last edited on Thu Mar 19th, 2020 11:34 am by frankie

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The US really is at the very start of all this. Only about 250 closed cases, so far, out of a total of around 9400 infections.

The death rate in closed cases in the US is 59%. Only 108 people have recovered. 155 have died.

9200 still have it. Of the 9200, about 1% are in serious or critical condition.

Mexico supposedly has less than 100 total cases. But how many test kits are there? How many people have been tested?

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
marlin master wrote: I just heard on the news that the man in HMO did Not have covid-19 virus, it was a false positive test. He has been sent home.

So far, I have not seen anything to corroborate what you heard on the radio. Are they still broadcasting it?


Latest reports this AM are that a new individual had tested positive for it. 


https://www.radarsonora.com/comprueban-segundo-caso-de-coronavirus-en-hermosillo/

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
from its inception, reporting of this corona convid-19 outbreak, has been inundated with false reporting!
 be cautious of what you read, maybe relying on various sources or adding a caveat before posting. 
take prudent precautions, stay healthy!

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I continue with my self imposed quarantine to protect myself from-The Hysterical, Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses who are certainly going to DIE....when you die can i have your stuff 


I am grateful that the good lord put prepping for a SHTF moment in my mind several months ago---I have been able to help out some friends with necessities...

Last edited on Thu Mar 19th, 2020 02:36 pm by Jimmy

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
For those who are trying to understand what is happening around the with respect to how different countries are responding. Consider understanding Boris Johnson’s approach in England. Before you begin google the term “herd immunity”.
In a nutshell, the Chinese reacted aggressively and contained the the virus, followed by the Italians who have strongly cried to other countries to act immediately and put strong measures in place to stop the spread.
Boris Johnson, on the other hand has heard WHO say that it will be hard to contain the virus and that eventually it will spread to the rest of the world. Hence the “herd immunity “ concept. With so little time remaining his aim is to get as many people exposed and then become resistant as possible before his country is overwhelmed by the virus.
He believes that once eventually the Chinese and Italian cities are out of lockdown then the virus will explode out as there will be many newly infected people and the epidemic will continue.
In contrast if he can have a large population in his country exposed and become resistant before he starts to apply restrictions then once these restrictions are off the will not be overwhelmed.
Restrictions have started to happen in England but slowly. The schools will be closed but some students will continue.

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hook, Mexico has a lot more cases then that. A few days ago I read a report from their health department, and at that time there were over 400 cases that were confirmed.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
HERD IMMUNITY,  i am thinking to myself what an absurd reckless concept. how could anyone possibly consider this concept!
viruses are multifaceted and range from accepted transmissions to feared deadly transmissions!
most of us have contracted one of the most common viruses ON PURPOSE, VARICELLA- ZOSTER "CHICKEN POX"!!!!!!!
because of that being induced at youth, it prevented complications in adulthood!
 however many because that virus has been dormant in our bodies, sometimes comes out later as the SHINGLES! 
so now i understand better the concept of "herd immunity"!
 THAT DOES NOT LET ME FORGET THE DEADLY ONES  DO EXIST, AND WHAT WE MUST DO AS A GLOBAL COMMUNITY TO DETER INFECTION!!!!!


P.S. NO JIMMY YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF, IT IS WILLED TO MY BOYS!

Last edited on Thu Mar 19th, 2020 07:39 pm by frankie

SBT
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jul 19th, 2013
Location: Story, Wyoming USA
Posts: 153
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I sure hope herd immunity doesn't become herd mentality!

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimw wrote: For those who are trying to understand what is happening around the with respect to how different countries are responding. Consider understanding Boris Johnson’s approach in England. Before you begin google the term “herd immunity”.
In a nutshell, the Chinese reacted aggressively and contained the the virus, followed by the Italians who have strongly cried to other countries to act immediately and put strong measures in place to stop the spread.
Boris Johnson, on the other hand has heard WHO say that it will be hard to contain the virus and that eventually it will spread to the rest of the world. Hence the “herd immunity “ concept. With so little time remaining his aim is to get as many people exposed and then become resistant as possible before his country is overwhelmed by the virus.
He believes that once eventually the Chinese and Italian cities are out of lockdown then the virus will explode out as there will be many newly infected people and the epidemic will continue.
In contrast if he can have a large population in his country exposed and become resistant before he starts to apply restrictions then once these restrictions are off the will not be overwhelmed.
Restrictions have started to happen in England but slowly. The schools will be closed but some students will continue.


This has got to be either satire or misinformation, doesn't it?. 


Please show me where Johnson is on record for exposing Brits to build up their resistance to it?


BTW, I heard a discussion on the radio yesterday or today that stated that there HAVE BEEN CHINESE WHO WERE INFECTED, BECAME SICK, RECOVERED AND BECAME SICK AGAIN. So, it is no sure thing that you build up an immediate immunity. People get colds and the flu multiple times, and it is a very similar virus.


So, IF that's his strategy, there is evidence that it doesn't work.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
long time resident wrote: Hook, Mexico has a lot more cases then that. A few days ago I read a report from their health department, and at that time there were over 400 cases that were confirmed.

I am going by this link that many news agencies and governments seem to be using.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i have a curious question maybe someone can answer.


why haven't i 'we" heard anything from Russia???????????????

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankie wrote: why haven't i 'we" heard anything from Russia???????????????For the same reason you either don't hear or can't rely on information from China, Iran or any other authoritarian regime.

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hook.
I only gave an outline and if you are interested to pursue it for yourself. https://www.newswars.com/uks-coronavirus-strategy-just-let-it-happen-and-hope-for-herd-immunity/

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimw, that is one article for the proposed theory, THERE ARE MANY MORE ARTICLES SAYING, THE UK IS USING THE SAME STRATEGIES BEING USED GLOBALLY, CURRENTLY IN EFFECT! they may have been a little slow reacting, but they are!
MITIGATION AND ISOLATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


over 3,400 dead in Italy!

Last edited on Thu Mar 19th, 2020 11:10 pm by frankie

El Suizo
Member
 

Joined: Mon Nov 7th, 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 80
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
After Mr. Boris got to much pressure he change his mind.


The premier or whatever you call the big boss in the Netherlands came with the same idea and he had to give in too because of to much opposition that came after him.

bergsheil
Member
 

Joined: Thu May 10th, 2018
Location:  
Posts: 5
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If any of you are on facebook you are welcome to join my group for updates.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/165599751397731/

amor salud paz

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
bergshiel, thanks!! i went on i still have a LUMP in my throat when i scrolled down and saw the Italian military convoy of trucks carrying the dead!

Attached Image (viewed 914 times):

20200319_174112.jpg

Last edited on Fri Mar 20th, 2020 12:45 am by frankie

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
No matter what the plan was before the crisis or what it will be after the fact is but during a full blown containment there is no difference-the object is to save lives.
It is interesting though that England has closed schools, but some students are still allowed to attend. Those allowed to still attend are, among others, the children of those in essential services like healthcare workers, police, etc. The reason being that their parents will have the freedom to work and not think about their children.
Amazing, instead of isolation and social distancing the parents of these kids are happy to have them be at school.
To me that suggests how confident these people must be in their younger population to fight this virus. They are not afraid to let their children contract the virus because they know they will be able to fight it. The herd concept is still there but to a lesser extent.
Hahah. Frankie, you are a good guy but it’s time to expand your mind.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimw, i have know understanding why you choose to perpetuate the "herd immunity theory! 
 
maybe i do, you had a FEW posters enable you which may have encouraged you to continue posting!! 


 it DOES appear most do not agree with the "herd immunity theory"!! "THAT MAKES YOU CLOSED MINDED" you are unable to accept what the majority opinion of, governments, scientists and doctors who are STRONGLY suggesting, ISOLATION AND MITIGATION!


CONVID-19 is dangerous and deadly and is only resulting in "THINNING THE HERD"


i do not see it productive for myself to give any more thought to IGNORANCE!
 i am preparing the best i can for the unknown road ahead of us "HUMANITY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GOD BLISS YOU AND ALL YOU WHO ARE READING THIS!

Last edited on Fri Mar 20th, 2020 07:36 pm by frankie

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimw wrote: For those who are trying to understand what is happening around the with respect to how different countries are responding. Consider understanding Boris Johnson’s approach in England. Before you begin google the term “herd immunity”.
In a nutshell, the Chinese reacted aggressively and contained the the virus, followed by the Italians who have strongly cried to other countries to act immediately and put strong measures in place to stop the spread.
Boris Johnson, on the other hand has heard WHO say that it will be hard to contain the virus and that eventually it will spread to the rest of the world. Hence the “herd immunity “ concept. With so little time remaining his aim is to get as many people exposed and then become resistant as possible before his country is overwhelmed by the virus.
He believes that once eventually the Chinese and Italian cities are out of lockdown then the virus will explode out as there will be many newly infected people and the epidemic will continue.
In contrast if he can have a large population in his country exposed and become resistant before he starts to apply restrictions then once these restrictions are off the will not be overwhelmed.
Restrictions have started to happen in England but slowly. The schools will be closed but some students will continue.


Well, it appears Boris Johnson's grand experiment to selectively expose the British people to the corona virus, is over. Actually, I refuse to believe it ever existed.


Anyway, closures aplenty.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/coronavirus-uk-pm-announces-lockdown-measures-in-london.html

zancudo
Member
 

Joined: Wed Nov 25th, 2015
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 52
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Come on guys, herd immunity is real. Do some research. The fear is if we don’t isolate, the hospitals could become overwhelmed. It is unclear if people can be reinfected but in general the sooner the population is exposed to the virus, the sooner it fades away. From what I have read this was the thought for a short time in the U.K. but they decided the risk was too great to expose large numbers at once. It’s looking like they made the right call to isolate.

This virus is not the same, but the same thing is thought to have happened with Zika. Once most of the population in Latin America was exposed, they became immune and it was no longer able to spread and disappeared.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 


tell that to the souls of the millions of indigenous peoples of America, after the Europeans arrived!

zancudo
Member
 

Joined: Wed Nov 25th, 2015
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 52
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Again this is a different type of virus and it is unclear if it will mutate or if people can become reinfected, but it is important to understand herd immunity and how it might play a role in the current pandemic. Here is a Zika article that explains further. 


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/science/what-happened-to-zika

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i have an idea, how about you "mosquito" and jimw , get infected and report back to us in a couple of weeks!

Last edited on Sat Mar 21st, 2020 03:03 am by frankie

zancudo
Member
 

Joined: Wed Nov 25th, 2015
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 52
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I work in health care and will probably be exposed sooner or later. Not really concerned for my own health, but don’t want to be responsible for spreading it to those who are more vulnerable. Was going to come down to San Carlos this week but decided to wait. Stay safe everyone. Hopefully this passes soon.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I was never denying that herd immunity EXISTS. Of course it does.

I'm just skeptical that the leader of a democratic nation would consciously, publicly and willingly choose to allow his countrymen to be exposed to a pathogen that is potentially fatal, for the overall good of his country.

Zancudo, if you read that Johnson willingly did this for a time, please document this.

zancudo
Member
 

Joined: Wed Nov 25th, 2015
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 52
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/2020/03/uk-backed-off-on-herd-immunity-to-beat-coronavirus-we-need-it

zancudo
Member
 

Joined: Wed Nov 25th, 2015
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 52
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I thought this was pretty widely reported. I’m sure you can dig up more articles if you want. 

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Sounds like these unnamed "officials" in the story you linked hadn't really thought it through.

Little things, like how many people it was killing. Like how it would have overwhelmed the hospitals.

But, I guess you're right. A plan did exist, for a time.

Sounds like something Nazi Germany would do, not the UK. I guess even Boris is a bit left of Adolph.

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
“The situation is fluid”, a phrase used by some leaders when talking about the cronovirus. Meaning that what they know about the virus is changing and so the plans about how to slow it are changing.
The Italians are strongly advising all governments to be aggressive with quarantine. The Italian leader has said that his people did not adequately comply with orders to stay at home and isolate. Although rest of the world is taking heed individual leaders are not quite sure as to when full lockdown should begin.
Canada and USA have started social distancing and are recommending isolation. Many states and provinces have declared “emergency rule” so they can enforce more severe restrictions in a speedy manner once the time comes to do a complete lockdown.
In England we are hearing that their prime minister is begging his people to give up going to pubs and has had to finally close them.

India, second largest population, also has started intense media campaign to practice social distancing. With a population this large it will be very difficult to have a full out lockdown as we saw in China.
In Mexico there is call to practice social distancing and I am not sure how a full blown lockdown will happen.

This is the aim of all leaders now- To slow the number of infections and to correctly time the lockdown.
Full lockdown will begin but the timing has to be right. First has come social distancing to slow the the rate of infection. This will give the countries a chance to prepare for the inevitable attack from the virus.
I urge all on this board to help our fellow citizens understand the concept of social distancing and it’s importance.
Learn and share.
Please stay home.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

i post this in response to post #151

John 9:41 ;
if you were blind you would not be guilty of sin, but now YOU CLAIM YOU CAN SEE, YOUR GUILT REMAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Sun Mar 22nd, 2020 01:42 pm by frankie

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Here is the most authoritative article I have found on how long the CV can survive in/on different environments. It was written two days ago. It's a fairly short read.

One thing in the article; there have been no direct clinical tests on whether warmer weather will kill the virus.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/03/20/sars-cov-2-survive-on-surfaces/

SBT
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jul 19th, 2013
Location: Story, Wyoming USA
Posts: 153
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Here is a link to a new Face Book group for expats in San Carlos during 2020 COVED-19: 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/231567418036597/?multi_permalinks=232740181252654%2C232344011292271%2C232781841248488%2C232640144595991&notif_id=1584848799172793&notif_t=group_activity

Last edited on Sun Mar 22nd, 2020 05:36 pm by SBT

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
AMLO has finally seen the light on taking precautions in Mexico..........although the light is a little filtered.





























Last edited on Sun Mar 22nd, 2020 07:02 pm by Hook

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Britain has announced they will pay private company salaries at an 80% rate during their lock down.

Printing money will be the only solution untill their is a vaccine I am afraid.

Fairwind
Member
 

Joined: Sat Sep 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 254
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The Chinese have stopped the contagion in that country to ZERO...They know something we don't...They are in Italy now helping those people with some sort of serum extracted from the blood of C-19 victims who have recovered....

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
New cases in the US shot up 3.5 times the previous day.

Almost 15,000 new cases in the US today!!!

Clearly, the penalty for the delay in testing is going to be collected by the grim reaper, unless some "miracle" occurs.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Fairwind wrote: The Chinese have stopped the contagion in that country to ZERO...They know something we don't...They are in Italy now ..i heard this also, but was not aware of the details!


i can only hope mankind kind unite for the common goal for the salvation of all!

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
And it's official.....someone in Guaymas tested positive for COVID-19.

https://www.radarsonora.com/confirmado-positivo-al-coronavirus-joven-estudiante-guaymense/

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
According to the article, the turnaround time from test to confirmation was one day.

I have been reading that results arent any quicker that 3 days in the US.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
There are 4 cases in Sonora. Hermosillo, Navajoa and the last two today in Nogales and Guaymas

jimw
Member
 

Joined: Sat Feb 14th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 24
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Majority of the countries have enacted emergency law, borders closed to non essential travel, airlines grounded, hospitals scrambling to make room for expected patients, doctors hoping that there will be enough supplies, and manufacturers scrambling to churn out what ever is needed before “it” hits. “It “ , of course the cronovirus storm.
The time to lockdown is now and it must be total as the Italian prime minister has pleaded and as the Chinese had done.
The United States, Canada, India and Great Britain have started and cannot afford a long and slow quarantine to slow the virus. How long can businesses afford to close, or people go without wages, or the healthcare system cope? I thing a hard line approach to have a successful quarantine must come at once. We can all endure 14 days or 21 days but not three months.
I hope the quarantine escalates to a total shut down and everyone confined to their homes. All but essential services people of course.
I hope all is citizens heed the advice of our governments and make it a complete shutdown.
We have had enough time to prepare. Unlike the Italians and Chinese who had no warning.
Our hospitals are already running out of masks and beds according to doctors in Surrey, BC, Canada.
I am a healthcare worker and I know inhaler for those with lung conditions are in short supply bans pharmacies are limiting quantities and anticipating further shortage.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
jimw wrote: I am a retail worker and now that I have returned home I have quarantined my self for 2 weeks and hope to start work after this time.regarding your last sentence on post #163, a change of professions?

Last edited on Tue Mar 24th, 2020 02:42 am by frankie

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i am extremely suspicious of jimw, i believe he is a TROLL infiltrating this forum to create and spread doubt and mistrust. he has made a complete 180 from his earlier posts, including his profession! i am placing a photo to show the difference from an "INHALER" and a "VENTILATOR"!!!! i believe anyone working in the "health care field" would know the difference in terminology and function and would not make such an obvious mistake! 

Attached Image (viewed 591 times):

20200324_052940.jpg

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Been listening to a lot of interviews with CEOs of biotech and pharma firms and press conferences with politicians over the last 48 hours. I really feel the financial networks are the place to be, right now.

One can scan the headlines on an aggregator like Google News for the nuts and bolts on the current CV situation. Of course, you will have to wade through the biased political BS from the usual suspects.

The general consensus is that the US is STILL weeks to one month away from having enough test kits available so that people don't have to be in serious (or worse) condition to be tested.

Until that time, we have no clear idea how widespread it is in the US.

This is the real reason for the draconian lockdowns. We simply DO NOT KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE SITUATION IN THE US. So, we have to err on the side of caution, while the damage is done to the economy.

Even less is known, in Mexico, I would suspect.

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It could also be exactly as he says. Pharmacies are running out of inhalers which I am sure could true with this virus effecting the lungs. There are also jobs where healthcare workers are the salesforce of durable medical equipment and supplies.

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bob Dylan - All Along the Watchtower (Audio) - YouTube


this lyrics are worth listening to and pertinent to these times!


there must be some way out of here
said the joker to the thief
there's to much confusion i can't get no relief

Last edited on Tue Mar 24th, 2020 04:22 pm by frankie

aligato
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 96
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
My daughter is having no problem getting her inhalers in BC, Canada

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Headline and story in Mexico News Daily reporting that AMLO is encouraging people to go out to restaurants and mingle in public places.


No mention of abrazos....

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The above mentioned article:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/dont-stop-going-out-or-take-exaggerated-measures-amlo/

Article about Interjet suspending international flights:
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/interjet-to-halt-international-flights/

Tourists banned in 3 states in Mexico:
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/communities-in-3-states-say-no-tourists-allowed/

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
There is a .04% death/mortality rate world wide with Coronavirus (20,000 deaths so far)
...Yet the Flu is by far more deadly (650,000 estimated world wide Flu Deaths Yearly)--And yet, this Coronavirus is treated like the Great Plague of the dark ages????? Something Aint Right about this---Read this----https://www.ifpma.org/.../flu-can-cause-up-to-650000.../




I now return to my self imposed quarantine to protect myself from-The Hysterical, Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses who are certainly going to DIE....PS, The World Is, By Nature, A Dangerous Place To Exist In!!! 

Last edited on Wed Mar 25th, 2020 04:16 pm by Jimmy

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: There is a .04% death/mortality rate world wide with Coronavirus (20,000 deaths so far)
...Yet the Flu is by far more deadly (650,000 estimated world wide Flu Deaths Yearly)--And yet, this Coronavirus is treated like the Great Plague of the dark ages????? Something Aint Right about this---Read this----https://www.ifpma.org/.../flu-can-cause-up-to-650000.../

Wow.  Where to start?

Coronavirus is just getting started.  We're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.  Coronavirus has only been around more or less 3 months vs. the 12-month 650,000 yearly figure you cited for well-established and spread flu.

The mortality rate..... how on earth did you calculate your figure?  Mortality rates are calculated as total deaths from confirmed cases.  Using yesterday's figures from the World Health Organization, the total worldwide coronavirus cases were 372,757 (confirmed cases) and 16,231 deaths.  This is a mortality rate of 4.35%.  Granted, actual rate is lower due to non-tested cases who recovered, but the mortality rate certainly isn't anything even remotely close to .04%.

As for 650,000 flu deaths per year.....OK.  Yesterday alone there were 1,722 worldwide deaths from coronavirus.  Multiply that by 365 days per year means we're on track for 628,530 coronavirus deaths per year.....but like I said earlier, we're just getting started, and infections and deaths are on a very steep curve right now.

Not trying to start a fight.....just correcting erroneous information.

*************************

Thought I would add this to my post:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET9OI5KXQAgiMMV?format=jpg

Last edited on Wed Mar 25th, 2020 11:39 pm by TrueBlue

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Worldometer, the site I have been using for statistics on the CV, is no longer displaying their "closed cases" as a percentage, in individual countries. Is it just too horrifying????

Anyway, they still have the total number of closed cases in the US and it currently breaks down like this.

1206 total closed cases.

819 dead

387 declared recovered

Out of a total of 60,653 confirmed cases in the US. So, around 66% of the closed cases result in death, at this time, in the US.

Only 387 persons are confirmed to have contracted it and have been officially declared recovered? Out of 60+ thousand cases? Amazing.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

What this figure fails to take into account are the POSSIBLY many thousands who have contracted the virus, but are not sick enough to qualify for being tested, nor allowed to go to a doctor's office or hospital. We have no idea how many there are of those, because of the lack of testing. They only get counted if they enter the "serious or critical" state.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
BTW, about a week ago, the closed cases percentage, worldwide, was at 92-8; recovered vs deaths. It has now changed worldwide to 85-15.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Sorry, trueblue ,I did not intend to Rob anyone of their Hysterical Fear..I have lived through a long term situation where every day I thought I was going to Die that day...But, I didn't dwell on it and I didn't Die..


PS, Trueblue, the Flu is Seasonable...Just Sayin'

Last edited on Wed Mar 25th, 2020 06:03 pm by Jimmy

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Sorry, trueblue ,I did not intend to Rob anyone of their Hysterical Fear

Don't confuse fear with science and math.

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The problem with the statistics is we really don't have a count of the total cases diagnosed and undiagnosed. We really only have those tested and officially part of the statistics so while the numbers are alarming, if we were to add in the numbers of those who got COVID19 and stayed home and recovered without a test the death rate would be significantly lower. So unless we have an accurate denominator and we don't, the numbers are going to be skewed. 

Last edited on Wed Mar 25th, 2020 11:42 pm by bartmanaz

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Don't forget that Relentless Mass Media Propaganda can change the mores and attitudes of the Masses. 
FYI---I did my Masters Thesis on Mass Marketing and Advertising from ASU...

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i would venture to say; 
* that most of the readers of this forum are over 60.
* most the foreign residents of San Carlos, the same over 60
* probably a high percentage have some sort of pre-existing health problem, asthma, diabetes, heart disease, ect:
* a good percentage smokers
* most heavy drinkers
* a high percentage of type "A" personalities
* most some sort of rebel
* all independent 
that is the EXPAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


this is probably a good description of the majority here!
so this forum is about San Carlos, there are a lot of the REBELS still drinking their drinks roaming the streets, thinking this all over blown or a media HYPE, it's a thousand miles away or more and someone else's problem!!!!
 
God forbid CONVID-19 enters our town, because it will be LONESOME place without all these characters!

Last edited on Wed Mar 25th, 2020 07:46 pm by frankie

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, Yes post 163 is crazy. Any healthcare worker should know the difference between a inhaler and a ventilator. Big difference. The hospital I work at has been taking this very seriously, but we have had 3 confirmed cases so far. Of course many are pending. I hope the U.S. doesn't end up like Italy, it is just to early to tell and there isn't a lot of concrete data yet. I know covid is particularly worse in males and the kicker seems to be people who smoke. Of course the pre existing medical conditions as well.
Also so far PPE has not been to much of an issue, just some areas of the hospital are rationing it just in case.

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The numbers just came out from WHO for today, 3/25. 416,686 confirmed cases, 18,589 confirmed deaths, which gives a mortality rate of 4.5%. That's an increase of 43,929 cases and 2,358 deaths just since yesterday.

Mexico is listed as having 370 cases and 4 deaths.

Last edited on Wed Mar 25th, 2020 11:44 pm by TrueBlue

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy, I did not forget. One of my stats profs way back when, said there were 3 kinds of folks-liars, damn liars and statisticians. :D

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I better clarify...I am taking all of the precautions as everyone else. But, I am keeping my Cool and waiting to see the "Verified Body Count"...I am a Bible Believer and if I see 10% of the world population Die, and an Asteroid lands in the Ocean then I know the end is near....Revelations..........
Take Care All and only worry about what You Can Control---The Rest Is Out Of Your Control..so why waste limited brain power worrying about that??? 

Last edited on Thu Mar 26th, 2020 12:51 am by Jimmy

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Amen

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Merriam- Webster
Statistics; a branch of mathematics dealing with the collection, analysis, interpretation, and presentations of MASSES of numerical data!

how we;

* developed jet engines 
* fly from point "A" to point "B"
* how we where able to orbit the Earth
* travel to the moon
* send a satellite past Pluto
* know what the gas mileage that can be expected on the new vehicle you buy
( most new cars are equipped with on board computers to give you statistics) 
* how we rate our athletes and teams


it is everywhere and HAS BEEN a vital part of the advancement of humanity


i do not think this is the APOCALYPSE or ARMAGEDDON, it is what it is a "DANGEROUS, HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS, PANDEMIC VIRAL PLAGUE" !!


MOST of the global population will be in the 80% category of having little or no affect, the concern is about the percentage that will succumb, the toll which will be taken on the health care facilities and the GLOBAL EFFECT ON THE WORLD ECONOMY! 


 

Last edited on Thu Mar 26th, 2020 02:48 am by frankie

maryt
Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 14th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 815
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If you can listen to Spanish at all, I recommend coronavirus.gob.mx. There are links to the daily press conference given by the head of public health. Mexico is far from doing ¨nothing.¨ This man Hugo López-Gattell is pretty amazing. Doctorate in epidemiology from Johns Hopkins.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
This afternoon, the US passed all other countries in the total number of cases. About 15k new cases, and counting, today.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Of course, this is mostly due to the large increase in tests being given in the US. The US Surgeon General said Monday that this was going to be a bad week. He knew the level of increased testing.

I read that Mexico's Health minister is predicting a peak in August in Mexico. I'd say that's a prediction on when they will be able to test people to a large degree, rather than some peak in community transmission.

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Please use restraint before posting links or articles on COVID-19 from popular media sources. All of us have our goto media that we monitor and repeating that when it does not relate to Mexico or Sonora or Guaymas-San Carlos is not necessary or welcome. This thread is about Mexico and the immediate area and let's stick to that theme.
Thanx
Bart

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
At the current rate, You are more likely to be killed in an auto accident than the Corona---
For you statisticians, you can research it.. 

Last edited on Fri Mar 27th, 2020 04:27 pm by Jimmy

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i would be willing to bet, that some of the criticizers of statistics, have used a book or similar FILLED with statistics in the last month or so! 
i know personally i have relied on these types of books ALL my adult life!

Attached Image (viewed 636 times):

20200325_202538.jpg

Last edited on Fri Mar 27th, 2020 05:44 pm by frankie

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I have had several friends exposed to the virus. They went and got the test, and unfortunately, are still waiting for the test results after 2 weeks. In Tucson they are not well equipped (as most of the country isn't) to deal with this in a timely manner. I am not an alarmist. It is going to get a lot worse. Please be careful and safe. It doesn't hurt to stay at home until more is known. There are many people out there that have it, are carriers, and the statistics do not even begin to show the true numbers.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
LTR-----For the last 35 years I have worked every Major and many minor Natural Disasters and Catastrophes all across the USA and Nary a One was the Government Prepared for....Even when they had some days to prepare....


In January I was sick in bed for 8 days with what I thought was the Flu...I had a fever, hacking cough and extreme fatigue (Lots of other folks in the Gila Valley were sick too around the same time)---I wonder if I had the Corona then?????




I now enter self imposed quarantine to protect myself from-The Hysterical, Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses who are certainly All going to DIE.... 

Last edited on Fri Mar 27th, 2020 06:49 pm by Jimmy

IronMan
Member


Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location: Rio Rico, Arizona USA
Posts: 3652
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
El Suizo wrote: After Mr. Boris got to much pressure he change his mind.


The premier or whatever you call the big boss in the Netherlands came with the same idea and he had to give in too because of to much opposition that came after him.
After Mr Boris changed his mind, he also tested positive...

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Washington states, specifically Evergreen, where it go started, is now reporting that new cases are now very infrequent.

NYC also states that cases were double every 2.5 days, and are now doubling every 4 days.

Only good news I have found.

Snuffy
Member
 

Joined: Wed Mar 30th, 2016
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
Posts: 50
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If any of you do not believe that we are involved with the greatest social experiment of all time, then carry on. I look at it as a great opportunity to live and love. Take advantage of the opportunities this experiment brings. Have a candle lit dinner with the one you love. Live people!!

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Mexico news:


https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/mexicos-president-shifts-tone-on-coronavirus-urges-people-to-stay-home-warns-of-dire-consequences


Latest Stats from Mexico:  https://coronavirus.gob.mx/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Mexico


As of Mar 28, there were 10 cases in Sonora and no deaths reported.  If a breakout by Sonora locations exists, I have not found it.

Last edited on Sun Mar 29th, 2020 03:24 pm by bartmanaz

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
According to The Secretaría de Salud Sonora there are 14 cases in Sonora, 2 in Guaymas. This was posted to their facebook page yesterday.

https://www.facebook.com/secretaria.saludsonora/videos/528539084468658

New York Pulmonologist gives advice on how to protect yourself and family from Covid 19. He says 99% of the infections come from touching your face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7x0dNQs_I&t=542s

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Thanx BV. Don't have Facebook so did not find that

RichD
Member
 

Joined: Wed Dec 7th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 2136
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I think people are trying to find some reasonable place between cowering in fear and being irresponsible. Dr. Fauci seems to be the voice of reason though some find him pessimistic. If you want to live through this, do the simple things being suggested by the CDC and someday there will be a vaccine.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Please look at this CDC report on 2019-2020 USA FLU statics-------and compare with Covid-19 statics ---------------------https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm


The difference is Shocking----Something Ain't Right about Covid-19 Reporting (Propaganda---To Cause---The Hysterical, Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses to believe they are all certainly going to DIE).... 


I ROTFLOL when AZ Senator Sinema said ""MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE GOING TO DIE"" 


All of this info is available to research---Frankie, apparently not all Type A personalities have the gift of perception.. 

Last edited on Sun Mar 29th, 2020 05:30 pm by Jimmy

frankie
Member


Joined: Fri Sep 1st, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 1277
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: ROTFLOL 


i had to google the meaning of this!
 for me next time send smoke signals or Morse code!

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Article regarding AMLO, Mexico and the coronavirus:

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193823/coronavirus-mexico-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-health-care

Angel
Member
 

Joined: Sun Aug 13th, 2006
Location: San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 99
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Seems AMLO has changed the discourse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AehoFFHb28w&feature=youtu.be


And he is now asking Mexicans to "stay at home, follow instructions of the health agencies and take care of older adults..."

Last edited on Sun Mar 29th, 2020 09:22 pm by Angel

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://youtu.be/k9GYTc53r2o








Frankie, you might find this interesting. How they are changing approach to treat Covid patients

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
thanks for posting this!
it is being reported on most of the news networks the speculation of the use of ventilators! i believe the statistics reveal that those placed on ventilators, only 20% survive!
i also believe very little is known about the virus and medical experts are using what is available for treatment!
a few weeks back it was reported a man in Texas was manufacturing a helmet that could be attached to oxygen lines present in most hospital rooms, as a form of treatment not using a ventilator!
the current studies and evaluations are coming from highly stressed over worked environments, a far cry from controlled laboratory testing!
the doctors and nurses and all the medical assistants, are in the heat of the battle. we can only hope that collaboration from all these battle tried experts will prevail with some sort of standardized treatment.
until there is a treatment and or a vaccine, we are only buying time!
 
 Texas 'mom and pop' business flooded with orders for helmet-style ventilation device 


Texas business' helmets requested for COVID-19 treatment

we can all do are part ISOLATE AND MITIGATE!!

Last edited on Thu Apr 9th, 2020 05:15 pm by frankiej

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Yes, There is a lot data coming out of NY about this and the hospital I work at is just now trying high flow nasal cannula oxygen first instead of immediately putting these patients on a ventilator. Covid virus binds itself to hemoglobin and somehow to surfactant. These patients are also hypercoagulopathetic, meaning obviously they clot fast. Really interesting stuff.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

diver45, keep us posted, and bless you for your courageous efforts!



80% of NYC's coronavirus patients who are put on ventilators ultimately die, and some doctors are trying to stop using them - AOL News

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
diver45 wrote: These patients are also hypercoagulopathetic, meaning obviously they clot fast. Really interesting stuff.

what about having a good supply of "ASPIRIN" available ??????????

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Yeah aspirin maybe, but most people are put on heparin drips. Stay safe and your in a great place to quarantine.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
on Monday, March 30th my wife's comadre "Odile" was admitted to a Phoenix area hospital. she had been tested positive with convid-19 earlier!
shortly after being admitted she was placed into a coma and connected to a ventilator! the doctors told her husband Jimmy, they wanted to keep her on the ventilator for 3 days to see her progress! * she was again tested and this time the results where negative!! she was X-rayed and the X-ray wasn't different than when she entered. they took her off the ventilator, she was showing signs of not being able to breath on her own, she was again placed back on the ventilator!
yesterday she was taken off the ventilator and the drugs that kept her in a coma.
she woke terrified and confused, as to where she was and why! she was sedated.
 today she was sending messages and talking in a raspy voice!
she is of the 20% who survive being ventilated!



diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Thank the Lord she is doing well, such a blessing! There is really a lot of discussion about ventilators and high flow oxygen. Not to bore you all, but high flow oxygen use is aerosolizing and puts the healthcare at greater risk, that's one argument. Many providers opt to put these patients on a closed circuit ventilator after intubation and see how they do and that minimizes everyones risk. Who knows! I have been reading that people put on high flow oxygen early on do better. 
 This whole thing has changed healthcare is a big way. Most of the time I take care of trauma patients and our whole approach to care has changed. We have to be protected first, then the patient. it has been difficult to adapt to that. 
 Very strange times.... I wish your friends wife well

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
diver45 wrote:
Thank the Lord she is doing well, such a blessing! 
 Very strange times.... I wish your friends wife well


diver, thank you!! i do not have many details! we where very disturbed knowing the statistics of survival when being ventilated. so we only offered support and our prayers, not questions! now that she is recovering, we can ask her husband jimmy questions concerning the details of her treatment!
for the most part what is known now, her family is Extremely grateful for the care she was given, knowing the prayers for her and her medical support group where answered!

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise-----Why is every kind of sickness or death now-a-days listed by hospitals  as Covid-19? Why so many Covid-19 deaths in the US----It's all about the Money---They don't even have a proper Test for Covid-19 so how can they say it is Covid-19?????-------------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwk8SQNojVA&fbclid=IwAR0nFuDS6m0rMN4OAnqqhMnH3Gmttdnh-fHZ6M0s8bYWQCMG8EgABOsSjIM

Last edited on Sun Apr 12th, 2020 03:18 pm by Jimmy

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy,  I am not sure I agree with this. The one thing I can tell you is that if a patient comes in the hospital and dies from a heart attack or a gunshot wound, or whatever else cause, they are not lumped in the death category as covid deaths. They are not being tested. This is the case at the facility I work at. I can't say for sure but I doubt other hospitals are doing that. However, I am sure there are some false numbers out there. I actually believe the numbers are higher because the number of deaths in almost every city is up. Meaning, the deaths that are not transported to the hospital. Those patients are not being tested for covid.
 As far as physicians getting kickbacks for admitting covid patients, I haven't seen or heard that.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwk8SQNojVA&fbclid=IwAR0nFuDS6m0rMN4OAnqqhMnH3Gmttdnh-fHZ6M0s8bYWQCMG8EgABOsSjIM

i do not by into alternative facts! the Dr. in this video was a family GP, what is his qualification to assume this is being done, it would be believable, if coming from the Surgeon General or the Attorney General, but a QUACK to increase ratings???!!!!!!


you can find just about anything on the internet, including evidence the EARTH IS FLAT OR HOLLOW IN THE INSIDE!


if this possibility is TRUE, even if it just happened once!
 that is why INSPECTOR GENERALS ARE NEEDED AND MUST REMAIN IN PLACE !

Last edited on Sun Apr 12th, 2020 05:48 pm by frankiej

RichD
Member
 

Joined: Wed Dec 7th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 2136
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It is hard to know what to believe. A lot of conspiracy theories flying around. I do not trust any politician or media person without medical training. I believe the CDC. They project that the death toll is underestimated because they are only counting deaths where the person tested positive. Believe what you want. Listen to the first hand accounts of those working in ERs around the country. This virus is a killer. Best to do what you can to avoid getting it.

From the CDC
Deaths due to COVID-19 may be misclassified as pneumonia or influenza deaths in the absence of positive test results, and these conditions may appear on death certificates as a comorbid condition. Thus, increases in pneumonia or influenza deaths may be an indicator of excess COVID-19-related mortality.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
March 12, 2020 Easter Sunday 12:08 pm


 DEATH TOLL IN THE USA 21,686

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
US population...328.2 million.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
to be fair this is the complete interview


 Minnesota doctor blasts 'ridiculous' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines | Fox News 


here is an interesting story about


 State Sen. Scott Jensen is not running again — and he has a lot to say about the Legislature: ‘This is a really bizarre place’ | MinnPost


  here is    Laura Ingraham - Wikipedia 


IMHO, it's all about the Benjamin's $$$$$$$$$$ for Laura


P.S. after reading the article about Dr. Jensen,  i was probably mistaken calling him a quack! he sounds like a concerned minded person stuck in the middle! it's unfortunate what an out text sound bite can do!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Sun Apr 12th, 2020 09:01 pm by frankiej

RichD
Member
 

Joined: Wed Dec 7th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 2136
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
A great example of people will believe what they want to believe.

Jensen then told Ingraham that under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.

So don't believe the death count because when people get hit by a bus, doctors are giving them a covid test so they can count them as a virus casualty. If you really think this is happening then you will believe anything.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i saw reported on most of the news channels, that many suspected of dying of convid at home, where NOT counted as covid deaths as they where NOT tested!

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It is all Propaganda---To Cause---The Hysterical, Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses to believe they are all certainly going to DIE 


Anyone here fit this description???

Last edited on Sun Apr 12th, 2020 11:23 pm by Jimmy

RichD
Member
 

Joined: Wed Dec 7th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 2136
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie you are right, I think numbers are under reported but rather than getting hung up on the numbers, realize that you can prevent getting infected by doing some simple and easy things. Keep your distance and wash your hands. Nobody is in a panic here, just hoping that people take it seriously so it will be over sooner.

The new rules in Sonora seem very harsh. In Arizona it is pretty reasonable. The worst part is beating off the tin foil hat people and flat earthers.

We will get through this

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I am not Panicked--as I wash my hands for the 50th time this morning...I agree with Frankie too,  there are Millions of Uncounted Dead....I haven't seen my neighbors for days--They are dead too....I am convinced  that you all are Bots and are dead too.. Good Grief! 

Last edited on Mon Apr 13th, 2020 12:03 am by Jimmy

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
LOL!

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
remember the old days when the news just came on at 5/6 pm and 10 pm it was broadcast on the 3 major channels ABC, CBS, NBC primarily by anchors with degrees in JOURNALISM!


there where no computers, no smart phone, NO SOCIAL MEDIA, (STAGED REALITY SHOWS)  AND NO PERSONALITIES UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING A JOURNALIST!!!!  
when you received your news from what ever network, you could trust that they where reporting the news, NOT MAKING THE NEWS!


i still believe there a few REAL JOURNALIST ON ALL THE NETWORKS, who do back round checks on their stories before reporting and when there is an error they OWN IT! 


THE PROBLEM IS THE (FILLERS) THAT RUN 24/7/365,!! knuckleheads!! who are making millions from their advertisers for YOU watching!


* I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT KIM KARDASIAN, SPORT HEROES, MOVIE STARS  THINK!!! I WANT THE REAL NEWS!


this is what we have become a society of instant gratification and COMPLETE SKEPTICISM!!!!!!!!!!!!

JVHightower
Member
 

Joined: Sun Oct 6th, 2019
Location: Florida USA
Posts: 8
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The three traditional major networks still have nightly news.  Try watching World News Tonight with David Muir on ABC.  Muir is a multiple award winning journalist who presents the days events without hype, slant or hyperbole.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, you will not find the "Real News" on any of the National Media or from most of the "So called Experts" they use...They are all saying ""What They Are Told To Say"" By the Corporations who PAY them... The newscasters "READ the News" they "Read" what is written out for them to say.....They are Not Reporters!!! And, the reporters all have their stories "Edited" before they air them....All of it is Propaganda that is finely tailored to manipulate the thoughts of Us, the people... The "Truth" is Hidden and must be found..   

Last edited on Mon Apr 13th, 2020 01:04 am by Jimmy

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote:  AND NO PERSONALITIES UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING A JOURNALIST!!!!  
when you received your news from what ever network, you could trust that they where reporting the news, NOT MAKING THE NEWS!


i still believe there a few REAL JOURNALIST ON ALL THE NETWORKS, who do back round checks on their stories before reporting and when there is an error they OWN IT! 


THE PROBLEM IS THE (FILLERS) THAT RUN 24/7/365,!! knuckleheads!! who are making millions from their advertisers for YOU watching!



this is what we have become a society of instant gratification and COMPLETE SKEPTICISM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jimmy, we agree as i eluded to in my post!

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Belief is in the ears of the listeners. Let's be honest this is a philosophical issue (the news and newscasters one accepts)

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I will make a prediction about the future----9 Months from now we will see a World Wide Baby Boom----Does anyone remember back to the East Coast Black-out? 

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
john, 
i am on side to the road and you are on the other side of road:


you see a blue car roaring down the road and hit a red car i see the driver in the red car texting on a cell phone!
 we both give are reports to the authorities and the drivers of both the red and blue cars are cited for their particular violations!
this is the story!


the next day on the network news, they have a moron from a traffic survival school, preaching about speeding. 
in the news paper there is an other moron telling us the dangers of texting while driving!
this is the fill!



IronMan
Member


Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location: Rio Rico, Arizona USA
Posts: 3652
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: I will make a prediction about the future----9 Months from now we will see a World Wide Baby Boom----Does anyone remember back to the East Coast Black-out? 

And that boom will be known as the "Coronials"...

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Or the Quaranteens.

odwyerpw
Member


Joined: Fri Feb 24th, 2006
Location: Alamos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 722
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: It is all Propaganda---To Cause---The Hysterical, Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses to believe they are all certainly going to DIE 


Anyone here fit this description???
J
Re-readyour own Post#23. USAi is now at 22k deceased from 550k cases... Surpassing the threshold you established.

kiteboarder
Member


Joined: Mon May 31st, 2010
Location: San Carlos Nuevo Guaymas, Mexico
Posts: 213
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 



CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019, through April 4, 2020, there have been:



39,000,000 – 56,000,000 flu illnesses



18,000,000 – 26,000,000 flu medical visits




410,000 – 740,000 flu hospitalizations



24,000 – 62,000 flu deaths

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
kiteboarder wrote:


CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019, through April 4, 2020, there have been:



39,000,000 – 56,000,000 flu illnesses



18,000,000 – 26,000,000 flu medical visits




410,000 – 740,000 flu hospitalizations



24,000 – 62,000 flu deaths


so, now we know that with convid-19 that we are DOUBLING or MORE the burden of our health care facilities, health care workers and all the SUPPORT infrastructure required for them to remain operating!! 
WHICH WE WHERE NOT PREPARED FOR!!!


we pass a bipartisan stimulus bill of 2 trillion dollars, to add to the debt of a 23 trillion OWED! we are now realizing is like placing a bandage on a SEVERED ARTERY!!


we sit helplessly ISOLATED at home, with our masks, gloves, alcohol, clorox and encroaching uncontrollable paranoia.
 watching on all the networks, our leaders from all over the world, constantly fumbling the ball, with EVERYONE being an ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK AND ALL WAITING TO SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!!



Last edited on Mon Apr 13th, 2020 09:56 am by frankiej

will rogers
Member
 

Joined: Mon Oct 31st, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 386
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, your post says 2:56 am. Get some sleep!

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
hahahaha!!! thanks for your concern!!!!!!


ya i woke up an hour and a half earlier than normal!
for me, there is no reason to stay up past 8:30/9: 00 pm, everything is closed, seen all the news, and have seen about everything offered on the cable channels over and over again!


 i did have a active day, went to Walmart and Sam's club leaving home  at 7:20 am! did my shopping and went to Mira Mar, you see my wife, who has been living with her 88 year old mother. she also works for the municipality and has been required to keep working. she runs what is similar to our old "selective service"! 


p.s. slept quite comfortably!

Attached Image (viewed 267 times):

20200412_085024.jpg

Last edited on Mon Apr 13th, 2020 04:35 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote: March 12, 2020 Easter Sunday 12:08 pm


 DEATH TOLL IN THE USA 21,686


March 13, 2020 Monday 12:08 pm


DEATH TOLL IN THE USA 22,935

Last edited on Mon Apr 13th, 2020 07:08 pm by frankiej

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
New Sonora stats as of 30 minutes ago





















ReplyForward

Attached Image (viewed 644 times):

Screenshot_2020-04-13-11-29-10-1.png

Last edited on Mon Apr 13th, 2020 07:13 pm by DocD

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Until some of you go back and read the title and subtitle of this thread I am going to have keep hitting the delete button. 

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I’m glad I was able to copy a few of them to send to my friends up north for their lockdown amusement before you deleted them.
We need something to laugh about...👍

kiteboarder
Member


Joined: Mon May 31st, 2010
Location: San Carlos Nuevo Guaymas, Mexico
Posts: 213
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Assistant Health Secretary of Mexico says face masks and gloves are useless to prevent getting the disease. 
CIUDAD DE MÉXICO.- Sobre el uso de insumos como guantes y cubrebocas, Hugo López-Gatell, subsecretario de Prevención y Promoción de la Salud, mencionó que no existe evidencia científica de que tengan utilidad para evitar el contagio. 
He goes on to say they may make you MORE likely to get the disease.:X
https://alcanzandoelconocimiento.com/guantes-y-cubrebocas-no-protegen-contra-el-coronavirus-hugo-lopez-gatell/

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 





Whether bare hands or gloves it is  the same. They both can have the virus on them. If you wear gloves you either need to change them extremely often when in public  . Or  use hand sanitizer on the gloves ,
or wash your hands with the gloves on. Gloves change nothing.
As for the masks. If you are virus free, the mask provides little protection.  You could go with the old adage "better than nothing."
If you are exposed to the virus (while still airborne ) it will be on you ,everywhere. On your clothes, on any exposed skin, in your hair. It can infect you through contact with your eyes.
But if you do have the virus,even if you have no symptoms, wearing a mask can help stop you from spreading it to everyone around you.
That is why masks are recommended. Not to protect you but to protect others if you are sick.






Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I hope this is appropriately placed;----it is a video about spacing enforcement on a bus in Guaymas Norte
https://www.facebook.com/MikeLeyvaNoticias/videos/
1355898721272195/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTA0Mjk1NDQyMzoz
MTI0MzgzNjE0MjczMDQw/

Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2020 03:08 am by Jimmy

Steve W.
Member
 

Joined: Fri Aug 29th, 2008
Location: Colorado USA
Posts: 88
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I find the mask has the side effect of stopping me from putting my finger in my mouth and touching that part of my face. I think it also remind people to keep their distance.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
9 new reported cases in Sonora, making a total of 97 confirmed cases!


 Detectan 9 casos nuevos de Covid-19 en Sonora y se acumulan 97 infectados - Opinión Sonora


here is a run down from the office of Enrique Clausen;
* San luis Rio Colorado 35
* Hermosillo 25
* Huatabampo 9
* Cajeme 7
* Magalena 4 
* Navajoa 4
* Saric 4
* Caborca 4
* Guaymas 2
* Opodepe 2 
 * Nogales 1

Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2020 06:38 pm by frankiej

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hard to believe that number in Nogales. I wonder if some Mx patients could going to US hospitals.

AMLO has been projecting a May 12 startup, but "Caritas" was just interviewed by Lopez Doriga and he Says June, if things go well.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Has anyone found anything about how accurate the Coronavirus tests are? My research shows a 50/50 accuracy....That doesn't seem very accurate to me.

odwyerpw
Member


Joined: Fri Feb 24th, 2006
Location: Alamos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 722
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
A facebook group in Alamos called Radio Álamos en Linea had a need article.
 
https://www.facebook.com/alamosenlinea/photos/a.297560774053055/8819784


It shows a distribution map by Municipio (County) and has guidelines for projected re-opening of various parts of the economy (eg. public schools)..






Here is an update for the state of Sonora:


https://www.facebook.com/alamosenlinea/posts/881689262306867










Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2020 07:47 pm by odwyerpw

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Opening any part of the economy without testing could be a grave mistake and Mexico, like the US, does not have the testing.
That should read enough testing.

Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2020 11:25 pm by DocD

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The U.S. has testing.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Lopez Obredor will not spend the money to do any meaningful testing imo.
Drs in HMO are charging around $300 US if you want the unreliable test, results back in 7-10 days.
I have no idea what the new antigen test will cost, or when it will be available.
They have already announced that the hospitals will give preference to treating young patients here.
From what I read, lock down is now extended to May 30th although people continue to work in non essential jobs and use public transportation in mass.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Johnson and Johnson announcement last Monday, just in case you missed it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jj-coronavirus-vaccine-research-timeline-and-emergency-use-2020-3?r=MX&IR=T

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
According to an article on the Radar Sonora website, UNAM has developed a rapid Covid-19 test that will cost 300 pesos. According to the article it is still in the testing phase.

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Yes of course there are tests. But....Right now the US is struggling to test 100,000 people a day. In order to safely reopen the American economy there would need to be 20-35 million tests per day. People would need to be tested, and retested and tested again. Tested repeatedly until there is a vaccine and the pandemic is over.

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
"Mexico, like the US, does not have the testing"

"Yes of course there are tests."

Doc, you lose credibility when you post like that....

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
from my understanding there are different types of testing! there are also reports of some tests giving false negatives. some tests take several days for results, some labs are over run and understaffed! there are tests that take 15 minutes. probably ALL the tests pushed through prior to extensive safety results!!
first res-ponders probably need to be tested frequently as well as medical staff, ect, ect.


there is a need for a standardized test, in MASS numbers. plus the ability to know where to get it! 

Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2020 12:27 am by frankiej

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, mi amigo, there are at least 5 reliable, high quality tests available in the States. They in most part have different result time. Some as fast as 5 mins. others up to a few days. Just heard the U.S. is just shy of 4 million already tested...

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
johnmoore wrote: Frankie, mi amigo, there are at least 5 reliable, high quality tests available in the States. They in most part have different result time. Some as fast as 5 mins. others up to a few days. Just heard the U.S. is just shy of 4 million already tested...PLEASE SHOW YOUR SOURCES --- My research tells me that accuracy is 50 to 70% with a LOT of false positives.. 

Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2020 12:39 am by Jimmy

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy, it is another issue where one can find data to support whatever they want supported. Google it, Bing it....have fun, it is crazy.

Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2020 12:44 am by johnmoore

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
OK, I will consider your information as Nonsense if you can not give a source..(I bet you got your information from Cable News)---Truth is There Are No Reliably accurate coronavirus tests...That's why you can't find much on the accuracy of the coronavirus tests---The CDC doesn't want us to know that the tests are NOT very accurate...at the bottom of the below posted source it gives an accuracy for influenza of 50 to 70%---as SARS and coronaviaus and influenza are a similar virus ----

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-testing#accuracy 

Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2020 01:02 am by Jimmy

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Today I read online the Guaymas quarantine has been extended until May 30.
Then later a friend told me the rule about only one person per car has been canceled.


Has anyone else heard the one person per vehicle rule being lifted?  

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
johnmoore wrote: Just heard the U.S. is just shy of 4 million already tested...

New York, New York has a population of 8.3/5 million people. how many of those tested positive have been tested multiple times!


how many ill with the possible virus want to be tested, but can't? many are told to stay home! how does that affect possible other members of the household?

Planning-Population-Current and Future Populations - DCP


CDC updated today 


 Testing in the U.S. | CDC 

Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2020 01:16 am by frankiej

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie...….how would you handle it? Be very specific please.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
well i am not in a possession of power, so I AM ISOLATING AND MITIGATING! that is all i can do! i can only do my best to avoid convid-19!


i am going to treat and see this as wild fire! 
you can control THE HOT SPOTS to the best of the abilities that are available! in the wild fire, the hots spot getting the most attention! BUT KNOWING THE EMBERS IN THE WIND CAN START UP AGAIN IN ANOTHER LOCATION!


that is the concept of isolation and mitigation!


western society, it is becoming apparent has little patience!!!


i want to be remembered for my contributions not as a statistic buried in a common grave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I just heard on Cable News that 80% of the coronavirus deaths were people over 60 years old and of those most were over 80 years old.....Anyone else besides me find it Weird that there were not that many young folks that died ? 

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Relatives of mine were fined yesterday or being 2 in a car east of Hermosillo. 

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
How much was the fine?


Today I heard the rumor the 1 person to a vehicle rule is being canceled.  Any truth to that?

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
MARIGOT wrote: How much was the fine?


Today I heard the rumor the 1 person to a vehicle rule is being canceled.  Any truth to that?




Fines officially range from $300-7,000 pesos, the cops claimed his was $6,500, they tried to remove his wife from the vehicle but they mordidod $600 at the window. Strong arm, as usual.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The decree for 1x car was announced last Monday. I found nothing cancelling that.

https://proyectopuente.com.mx/2020/04/13/desde-hoy-solo-puede-ir-una-persona-por-auto-en-sonora-inicia-fase-dos-del-programa-quedateencasa-obligatorio/

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Thanks.  I guess the 2 people who passed that rumor to me were thinking wishfully...

Kiwi
Member
 

Joined: Mon Oct 31st, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 408
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
No, it's not a rumor it just means that some are letting people through coming and going to Guaymas with 2 in the car.  Remember it's who you get checking and what they want to do. Am surprised that they fined two people in a car on the Hiwy 15 but then again it's what they can get away with and it's always been that way. We know of two cars going out (North) and each had two people - then another car coming in with two people.  All within the last 3 days so you never know.

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Sorry John, I should have said they don't have the testing required . I left the word required out. If that destroys my credibility Oh well. My information comes from Dr Fauci, expert epidemiologists and the CDC.
Everybody knows there is some testing being done but it is woefully inadequate.
And Frankie is correct about the problems with what testing there is.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote: on Monday, March 30th my wife's comadre "Odile" was admitted to a Phoenix area hospital. she had been tested positive with convid-19 earlier!
* she was again tested and this time the results where negative!! 





2 tests 2 different results! she did have convid-19 and is a survivor!

guzzi
Member


Joined: Fri Mar 6th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 374
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
https://opinionsonora.com/2020/04/21/muere-hombre-sospechoso-de-covid-19-y-que-medico-del-imss-regreso-a-su-casa-con-paracetamol/

Suspicious man of Covid-19 dies and that IMSS doctor returned home with Paracetamol
By
Opinion
-
04/21/2020

Suspicious man of Covid-19 dies and that IMSS doctor returned home with ParacetamolSuspicious man of Covid-19 dies and that IMSS doctor returned home with Paracetamol.
Guaymas, Sonora.- When he was transferred to a Ciudad Obregón hospital, tonight the employee of the Dportenis company from this port ceased to exist, which was a suspicious case of COVID-19, and that he was hospitalized in the Hospital del Seguro Social of the locality, due to a cardiporespiratory arrest.


The documentation and transfer order, as well as his staff, were awaiting the Guaymense patient at the Social Security High Specialty Medical Unit (UMAE) in Ciudad Obregón.

It was learned that his transfer was delayed because they expected that the hospital isolation site would be properly conditioned so that this rightful holder of Guaymas, who was tubed and connected to a mechanical respirator, could be received.


It should be noted that in a publication the case of this person was disclosed, in whose house a total of ten people live, some of them with asthma and obesity problems, which place them at risk.

This worker was forced to continue working in the midst of this health contingency, with collection tasks in various sectors of Guaymas and Empalme.


In addition, when he went to Social Security twice, because he had a symptom of Coronavirus, the doctor on duty diagnosed him with the flu and gave him paracetamol, then returned home.

After more than a week, staff managed to take a sample to send to the laboratory and analyze it, but it was too late; your name and other data are kept under reserve, due to the nature of your case.



Tonight one of his relatives announced the death and negligence of which he was a victim.

Rest in peace



__________________
Living The Good Life South Of The Border

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
guzzi, thanks for your post! i had to look up "paracetamol" we know it as "acetaminophen"
we know the deceased lived with his family"10 people", what we do not know is if they ALL remained PROPERLY ISOLATED!
this is the problem and concern for the spread!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Tue Apr 21st, 2020 03:18 pm by frankiej

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Testing is still a very serious issue here in Tucson. You can't get tested unless you have serious symptoms, and even then, they hesitate to test, and will tell you to go home and isolate. A doctor friend of mine was tested because she was exposed, and it took over 15 days for her to get her results, and she had medical connections) The tests (according to the CDC )are not all that reliable. The tests that they are starting to get for checking your antibodies, have a very low accuracy. So until the tests become available and more accurate, who knows how many people are infected. It is coming out that many people are dying at home, and they are not being counted in the number of deaths, even tho they displayed signs of the virus.

RichD
Member
 

Joined: Wed Dec 7th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 2136
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
LTR, hat has been my experience too. Tried to arrange for a test and only those that have serious symptoms pass the first level of screenings. The new 15 min(or less) have been found to have false negative problems. In other words 15% of the time you will test negative when you are infected. So at least in Arizona testing is not readily available and not accurate.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/21/838794281/study-raises-questions-about-false-negatives-from-quick-covid-19-test

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
And many who die in the hospital of other causes are being falsely accredited to coronavirus.

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
paracetamol is better known as Tylenol.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
390pony wrote: And many who die in the hospital of other causes are being falsely accredited to coronavirus. pony, please document this from a reliable source for us! thank you!!

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It's continually in the news up here. Just Google it.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
that's not documenting it for us from a reliable source, THAT MORE LIKE HE SAID SHE SAID! 


Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths


 Cases in U.S. | CDC

Last edited on Tue Apr 21st, 2020 09:30 pm by frankiej

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I have more things to do than document anything for you. Watch the news.

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Frankie, it has been on the news about reported deaths that have covid symptoms that have not been tested being lumped into the deaths from Johns Hopkins. The news souce was NBC and it was on Fox news as well. I believe it is people that die at home and are not transported to the hospital are being lumped into the death toll. It said if they had reported similar symptoms some are being counted as covid deaths. It doesn't surprise me but I heard it with my own 2 ears. 
 I can tell you the deaths at the hospital I work at are all being tested, which is good.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
diver45 wrote:
Frankie, it has been on the news about reported deaths that have covid symptoms that have not been tested being lumped into the deaths from Johns Hopkins. The news souce was NBC and it was on Fox news as well. I believe it is people that die at home and are not transported to the hospital are being lumped into the death toll. It said if they had reported similar symptoms some are being counted as covid deaths. 
 I can tell you the deaths at the hospital I work at are all being tested, which is good.
diver, there is definitely a deference in your delivery than pony's!!! THE KEY BEING "HAVING CONVID SYMPTOMS"!
pony eludes to a possible deception, and has been bucking the reality of convid-19 from it's inception!


there have been multiple posts regarding the validity of the convid-19  tests. i would tend to agree with your post!


do the over whelmed health care providers, providing care to patients with convid-19  SYMPTOMS, have the ability, time and inclination to TEST to verify, OR is the need to move on to the next patient MORE important????????????????????????
 

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It could be about the $$$$$$$$

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
From what I have seen every patient with covid symptoms get tested and the turn around time is 1-2 days. The patients that come in with cardiac arrest and die do not get tested unless it is reported that they have had symptoms. This is where it gets convoluted. I am not aware of hospitals getting money for diagnosing Covid and or ventilator use. Any admission to the ICU is expensive whether they are on a ventilator or not. I do not think there is a financial incentive to put patients on a ventilator. Ventilators can do a great deal of harm if you don't need one.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
diver, thank you for your last post!!!!!!!! it's nice to have a legitimate opinion from a professional actually in the "TRENCHES" of this crisis! 
into today's internet world it is difficult to distinguished from facts and falsehoods!



PLEASE continue with your informative and valid comments! 


STAY SAFE AND HEALTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


guzzi
Member


Joined: Fri Mar 6th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 374
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
The worst is yet to come.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/mexico-ready-for-worst-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3Q8NRMwFx23Ap0N_o2Lvcifyfg3VUAUJGT9Xklq-PgASmkBm6WezHozck

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy, this is not about money. Hospitals have been paid by diagnosis by the government for a long time. Certain diagnosis cost a lot more money to treat. If you are placed on a ventilator it is because your lungs could not get in enough oxygen and out enough Co2 to keep you functioning properly. It is never about money. It is a last choice option to help one breath until one can do it sufficiently on their own. Of course there are additional charges for ventilator equipment usage and the additional skilled personnel, treatments and procedures now involved with the ventilators use. Needs are all well documented and justified. Each and every patient chart is open for review by hospital accreditation organizations as well as review of each and every hospital policy and procedure.

Patients that go on ventilators in this type of circumstance do not do so out of the blue.  They have been deteriorating with worsening blood gas tests.  It does not just happen.  The patient is working hard at breathing and getting worse.  All of the things that can be done are not helping.  There is no choice but to place the patient on the ventilator.
 
The hospital has many peer review committees that oversee every aspect of a patients care during the patients stay at the hospital and after discharge.  This is especially true in patients like this.  There are quality assurance committees, infection control committees, critical care committees, ethic committees and many more all overseeing and reviewing all aspects of patient care and the policies and procedures that dictate everything in a hospital. 
 
On top of this it is many lawyer's wet dream to find a case where something was done wrong or not needed concerning a patients care at a hospital.  They can get access to the patient records as well and are sharp as a tack, often employing very skilled doctors and healthcare specialist themselves,  looking for inconsistencies between hospital policy and procedures and/or anything else done that might have adversely affected a patient's outcome.

To insinuate that patients are diagnosed with Covid-19 for money or placed on a ventilator to receive more money is absurd.

390 Pony for you to say that people are given a Covid-19 diagnosis at death to increase count for a political standpoint is just ignorant.

Last edited on Wed Apr 22nd, 2020 05:54 pm by Benito_Villa

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i feel confident that the US Attorney General, the Inspector General and the FBI will scrutinize any and all ALLEGED improprieties and the perpetrators will be dealt with, to the full extent of the law!

that's what we as tax payers expect and what they are being paid for!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Wed Apr 22nd, 2020 07:21 pm by frankiej

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Thank you Frankie ! and great post by Benito Villa, spot on. Lets hope Mexico gets a handle on this, it is very worrisome the healthcare providers do not have the necessary PPE and hospital capacity and equipment to care for these patients. 

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Not all health care Management are honest Saints like Diver45 and Benito_Villa associate with....I suppose that in your world they are...But, there is a Dark side populated by those who would do anything for money and power..I agree with Pony...Not only are they fudging the body count for money but also to report a High death rate---------Can anyone of you honestly prove/document that any of the "Tests" are accurate....The media propaganda wants us to believe that there is an Accurate Test  When There Isn't!!!  Prove Me Wrong!!! 

Last edited on Wed Apr 22nd, 2020 07:34 pm by Jimmy

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Can anyone of you honestly prove/document that any of the "Tests" are accurate.... 

jimmy, that's the point, IT IS NOT UP TO US!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we rely on the confidence and work of the agencies established to do so, the Surgeon General, CDC, the FDA, and the law enforcement agencies  i refer to in my previous post to enforce discrepancies!! 


all the media outlets i am watching ALL have expressed concern of the tests being used!
 "FALSE" positive and negative results are being reported daily!
i even wrote of the tests that where conducted, i can personally relate to, see posts #'s 241, 260, 277!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Wed Apr 22nd, 2020 07:54 pm by frankiej

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, that's a good point. There are No reliable accurate tests..And yet, the "Experts" supported by their "Media" espouse unverified data as Factual and they expect most folks to accept it as gospel truth....What's up with that?   Personally, I feel like I am being played for a Sucker... 

Last edited on Wed Apr 22nd, 2020 10:56 pm by Jimmy

zancudo
Member
 

Joined: Wed Nov 25th, 2015
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 52
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I’m not saying this is happening, but there is a financial incentive for hospitals to diagnose uninsured patients with covid. Federal gov has said they will cover the treatment of uninsured covid patients.

If the patient does not have covid, presumably they would be on the hook for any medical bills and are often unable to pay. Still unclear how this program will work. Here’s one article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/04/20/coronavirus-treatment-uninsured-195218

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

i have been getting this notice on Whats app, i  am having a hard time finding it on the official government site. basically the current policy has been extended to AUGUST 1, 2020, in an attempt to stop the spread of convid -19  !!

AMLO extiende la suspensión de labores en el gobierno al 1 de agosto

Last edited on Sat Apr 25th, 2020 12:27 am by frankiej

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
To be clear, if this is true, he is saying that only Government employees will be supending work until Aug 1, closing down buildings to not pay rent, etc, but while still paying salaries.
The rest of the workforce sees no changes.

Yesterday he asked for government higher ups to take a 20% salary cut..

Waving his wand again imo, no specifics.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

here is the speech, dated April 22,2020!



Conferencia matutina de AMLO 22 de abril del 2020 - YouTube

IronMan
Member


Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location: Rio Rico, Arizona USA
Posts: 3652
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
So, before Easter, I said to watch the miraculously low numbers in Mexico increase...they now rank #25 in the world, and the mortality rate is one death for every seven recovered.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2g2Cqj89lwo4JbsbmVV3OrlML6IQF2htRytERH19HZ3jfyKUHyeR7_-ho#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6






Attached Image (viewed 353 times):

St AMLOs Fire.jpg

Last edited on Sat Apr 25th, 2020 02:46 pm by IronMan

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Mexico is not doing any testing.
Mx Drs and Hospitals are less equipped that a lot of poorer countries.
Mexico people live many to a home and they hug and kiss when they meet.
Resorts like Cabos and Cancun, border towns like San Luis Rio Colorado and Tijuana were infected by world travelers and their proximity to the US.
They have to work and use public transportation.
They are the most obese diabetic population that I know of thanks to Coca Cola and others
They have a single agenda leader that can't compete, even in the moron club
So of course its going to be tougher here .

And honestly, comparing death rates has little value unless the comparitive is on a level playing field. If you want to play that game, it doesn't look like the US will fair well against developed countries either when the dust settles. We are throwing billions at this, and now have 25 times more dead souls than the Mx,
I am really tired of sensational press, so I am reacting to that.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I'm sorry, Trillions, not Billions

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bullshipper wrote: Mexico is not doing any testing.
Mx Drs and Hospitals are less equipped that a lot of poorer countries.
Mexico people live many to a home and they hug and kiss when they meet.
Resorts like Cabos and Cancun, border towns like San Luis Rio Colorado and Tijuana were infected by world travelers and their proximity to the US.
They have to work and use public transportation.
They are the most obese diabetic population that I know of thanks to Coca Cola and others

So of course its going to be tougher here .



this is the SAD reality, of the situation here!

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

i agree with bullshipper, regarding testing!
 many communities REALIZE this and are forcing isolation by the use of the POLICE!
AS HARSH AS THIS MAY SEEM, IT CAN ONLY HELP SLOW THE SPREAD!





Ordenan instalar custodia policial a familia del guaymense que murió por Covid-19 - Opinión Sonora

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I feel that distancing will save a lot more souls than working out the bugs and prodcing more types of tests that the general population can't afford to pay or wait for or guess if its right or wrong in the first place. 

Amlo can wave his wand and say that Remesdivir is a legal doctor supervised prescription to start producing mass scale by Mexican License's NOW so that more people can consent to not sue and have a better chance of surviving in the Short Term. More survivors is the game, and of course their contributions to create herd immunity faster to save the world economies. Serums are another tool.

But a Vaccine is too far off for this fast spreading emergency.

Of course there are other therapeutics that will also help as Mr Trump recently pointed out, and his deluxe tanning bed will probably save him.

Last edited on Sat Apr 25th, 2020 04:28 pm by Bullshipper

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bullshipper wrote: I feel that distancing will save a lot more souls than testing.


i agree 100%, unfortunately there are a lot of IGNORANT PEOPLE out, that is why the police are being activated!


 Podrían sancionar a guaymenses por no respetar cuarentena y asegurar que tienen Covid-19 - Opinión Sonora 

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote: Bullshipper wrote: I feel that distancing will save a lot more souls than testing.


i agree 100%, unfortunately there are a lot of IGNORANT PEOPLE out, that is why the police are being activated!


 Podrían sancionar a guaymenses por no respetar cuarentena y asegurar que tienen Covid-19 - Opinión Sonora 




No work, no pay Frankie. No car, then the bus. 

IronMan
Member


Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location: Rio Rico, Arizona USA
Posts: 3652
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
No sensationalism meant Bullshipper, just refuting the initial claims that "Mexico needs to close the border because there is no pandemic here like in the US". It will be even harder to combat in Mexico than the US. I am sad for all my friends in Mexico and I hope all of you will be careful and protect yourselves and your families. I hope the "if no car, take the bus" is a decision made with the same amount of thought given to it as there would be if the bus had a dozen rattlesnakes hiding on it somewhere.


Be safe, be healthy, be cautious

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I would echo Bullshipper and Ironman, but add, if you can get to the States and have a place to go......I would suggest you do it.

goldin
Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 9th, 2016
Location:  
Posts: 243
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
En Sonora no se dará a conocer el nombre de medicamento utilizado para COVID-19
Dar nombre de medicamento podría ponerlo en riesgo de desabasto, dice Álvarez


El director de Promoción a la Salud y Prevención de Enfermedades de la Secretaría de Salud dijo que se trata de un medicamento que se utilizaba para paludismo adicionado con antibiótico y que hasta el momento hay suficiente suministro para los pacientes que sean recetados.


This was in today’s Diario del Yaqui. This is good news if they are actually treating sick people with something. It makes no sense to test, confirm the virus and let then get sicker or die. I’m thinking they are using the original malaria med plus antibiotics.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote:

 Podrían sancionar a guaymenses por no respetar cuarentena y asegurar que tienen Covid-19 - Opinión Sonora 


i think something was lost in the translation! I WAS ADAMANT WHEN I SAID SOME PEOPLE  ARE "IGNORANT"!! 
the article i pasted describes how the family of the 38 year young man earlier this week who SUCCUMBED to convid-19 are NOT OBEYING the quarantine! 


they knew he had the virus and where home bond with him UNTIL he was hospitalized! ""see guzzi"s post #278"""
* he was ill and diagnosed with the virus and told to go home and take acetaminophen "TYLENOL"!
* he was there for some time, with the OTHER 10 occupants of the household
* his health declined and was hospitalized
* he passed during his hospitalization
THE HOUSE AND ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE HOUSE HOLD ARE CONTAMINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE ARE NOW BEING FORCED TO MAINTAIN THEIR QUARANTINE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH PLACES THEM AT RISK!
THEIR FAILURE TO REMAIN ISOLATED IS IGNORANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S HOW THIS VIRUS SPREADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Sat Apr 25th, 2020 08:05 pm by frankiej

goldin
Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 9th, 2016
Location:  
Posts: 243
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Not only that, but Carlos visited 120 homes while sick. That’s a lot of exposure in Guaymas. In about a week there’s bound to be a rash of contagion.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
goldin, you are correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this had nothing to do with people being out of work or taking the bus! just the IGNORANCE of ONE household!
 it does make ALL of us MORE VULNERABLE!

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It's all about wearing masks, washing hands and social distancing. California was early in closing things down and implementing this....now many local jurisdictions have passed ordinances requiring both employees and customers wear masks, and *most* are. This is why California has a lower percentage of infections than many other states. I was in Costco the other day and did not see anyone without a mask.

Now that there's a So Cal heat wave you're seeing the limits of this. As people want to be outside and relatively few people in OC have been sick or died, lots of people are at the beaches without masks and without social distancing, mostly young people who aren't mature enough to recognize the danger they pose mostly to others (older people) by doing this. The news coverage made me discouraged and we're going to see an infection bump.

Check this picture from today at San Clemente: https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/OCR-L-BEACHCROWDS-0426-04-MS-2-1.jpg?w=779

Also, check out the video of Newport: https://abc7.com/society/heat-wave-draws-thousands-to-orange-county-beaches/6127891/

Testing is fine and dandy, but treat the symptoms, not the diagnosis. Testing really doesn't mean much when there are no proven effective treatments or vaccines. It's all about how many people are sick, whether they are quarantined and medical treatment capabilities.

That having been said....there is still a BIG lack of testing capability in the US, and I can only imagine the limitations in Mexico. My thoughts are with the full-time residents of San Carlos and Guaymas. Please be careful.

Wear a mask, wash your hands, observe social distancing, don't be stupid.

Last edited on Sat Apr 25th, 2020 10:37 pm by TrueBlue

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
WOW, those images at the beach are unbelievable, considering the beaches locally in San Carlos and Guaymas are closed.  I’m sure glad they closed the beaches to discourage Semana Santa crowds for this Covid 19 shutdown.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TrueBlue, what a reality check!!! thank you!!! 
people all over have no patience, we will probably be dealing with this problem for a long while!


stay healthy and safe!!

Last edited on Sat Apr 25th, 2020 11:23 pm by frankiej

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Millions Are Gonna DIE!!!!!! P.T. Barnum was Right
Edited to remove remarks regarding my total disgust with the chronically gullible..  

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 12:39 am by Jimmy

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
It's hard to have patience when you're unemployed, nothing in the bank, the CC's are maxed, the kids are not in school, and the car and mortgage pays are past due.


Looks like it's Nature's way for a clean out of the shallow end of the gene pool. 

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 12:40 am by nice guy

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Deny this-------So far, in the US, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.Feb 21, 2020


Let me know when Corona numbers match.... LEMMINGS


oops!! i forgot to let you know! the current death toll is 53,694, more 3 1/2 times more than when you asked to be reminded!

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
johnmoore wrote: I would echo Bullshipper and Ironman, but add, if you can get to the States and have a place to go......I would suggest you do it.

Not yet, in my situation



There are no cases yet in SC that I know of John. We can still get groceries delivered and its deserted here, more than usual. If there are more than 2K here, I would be surprised.


My home in Yucaipa Ca has 53,000 pop, but there we over 400 cases back on Apr 1 and it has killed over 60 in just the nursing homes alone.


 Maybe in 2-3 more weeks, who knows? May have to just head out to sea.







johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bullshipper, It is my thinking that by the time it effects us, to the point we need to leave, it could be too late. Maybe not, I'm into safe than sorry, no big deal to turn around and return if things merited it.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote: Jimmy wrote: Deny this-------So far, in the US, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.Feb 21, 2020


Let me know when Corona numbers match.... LEMMINGS


oops!! i forgot to let you know! the current death toll is 53,694, more 3 1/2 times more than when you asked to be reminded!
Too much about this whole mess just doesn't add up to me.


The misinformation coming out of our justifiably maligned press is legion. The news media we so trusted as young adults are now gone. Institutions of learning and medicine we used to revere are now propaganda machines. You have to dig deep or go underground to get reliable information for what is really going on.

I WILL NOT LIVE MY LIFE IN FEAR!!!

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 03:19 pm by Jimmy

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy, nobody is trying to convince you of anything. I can comfortably say everybody knows your opinion very well. Enjoy your theories and live your life however you want believing whatever you want. Nobody really cares if you put on a mask or not or if you consider this eminent danger to yourself or not or anything else.  I feel that you are genuine in your feelings.  I just do not have to buy what you keep selling.  Your rants and conspiracy theories gets old and lame especially when dealing with something so serious and consequential to so many.  This is not a hoax thrown on the entire world by the fake media, liberals and the real power players behind the scenes pulling the strings.  Just let the ones of us that do care about Covid-19 talk with the seriousness that this deserves.

Yes, there are still substantial deaths from the flu just as all the previous years. Even more testing for the flu this year thanks to Covid-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 07:42 am by Benito_Villa

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Benito, your post was well thought out, to the point and mindful of the majority of CONCERNED posters!


jimmy, most of us are ALL aware of the statistics of the flu, cancer, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, obesity, ect;, ect;!! which are ALL tragic and of concern! MANY have donated to organizations and have changed their life styles to help defeat these existing problems! there has been success in the past, because concerned people got involved, changed their habits and donated! we now have a new BURDEN placed on the whole of humanity, with convid-19. 
some will be up to the challenge and will do their part and some tragically will not! i know you CARE or you would have never sacrificed your well being to HELP people and communities in the past affected by natural disasters!


 cynicism has it's limits and boundaries, although entertaining they hardly represent the reality around us, for this NEW and deadly virus! 


stay healthy and be safe

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 11:40 am by frankiej

GOIT
Member
 

Joined: Fri Oct 28th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 73
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Unfortunately Benito the article provided does not address the conspiracy of higher numbers of deaths listed as Covid.  The article very simply and accurately states this years death rate by the flu is predicted(and definitely will be) in line with previous years.  BUT, are all those people who are either already dead of the flu or will be this year have their death certificate written to say flu, or Covid?  Yes science knows that a similar number of people will die from the flu(and pneumonia) this year, but unless it is documented correctly those deaths will boost the Covid death rate.  Please pull statistics that show the actual deaths attributed to this years flu and pneumonia are in line with previous year rates to discount the conspiracy theorists.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

We are supposed to be relieved that millions of people are being tested…tested for what? The CDC and the FDA both admit the COVID-19 test kits suffer from false positives and false negatives. What they are not telling us is the rate of false results. The coronavirus spectrum test kit is at best 20% accurate. The false-positive rate is 80.33%. Of those who tested negative 85% are false. If you have had a flu shot, chances are you will test positive for the coronavirus. People are getting tested in their cars with a swab for DNA. These polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests were developed in the 1980s and were never designed as a virus test.

The death rate? Who knows? Just about everyone who dies today is deemed deceased by COVID-19 whether the patient died of it or just with it. Causes of death are being altered. Doctors, on March 24, were told by the National Center for Health Statistics that COVID-19 should be listed as the cause of death when it is ASSUMED that the virus was the cause or a contributing factor in the death…assumed? Some patients have even been listed as dying multiple times. Will the government pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 patients? Yes. Medicare will pay an additional 20% to the hospital for a COVID-19 patient during a public health emergency…a monetary component, for sure.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

The media quickly jumped on the bandwagon, displaying the number of world-wide coronavirus deaths on the screen dozens of times a day. Worldwide, 2,573,020 people have died of cancer so far this year. 2,381,000 children under the age of 5 have died so far this year. Deaths of mothers during childbirth, 96,836 so far this year. 423,892 people have died from car accidents this year. Abortion has killed 13,320,552 babies this year. Seasonal flu deaths this year are 152,425 so far. The number of deaths from all causes this year as of this writing is 18,427,675. If the media were to display every day the deaths from all causes, you would not get out of bed. Yes, the world can be a dangerous place, but as FDR said, it is fear that is to be feared.

If we don’t get a handle on this fear and get our economy back on track very soon, we will have much more than a virus to worry about. We can write an ending to this horror movie, let’s make it a good one.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
 Did this pandemic warrant the closing of our economy to a point of collapse and costing trillions?…NO! The prediction by Dr. Fauci and others of 2 – 4 million deaths, knowing that the president would make policy decisions based on their guess work was totally irresponsible and possibly political in nature.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
apples with apples, oranges with oranges!


if everything is taken out of context of course the opinions will and can be swayed!
regarding;
* cancer victims
*car accidents
* flu deaths
 a horrifying amount of deaths, but to be fair HOW MANY WHERE SAVED AND ARE SURVIVORS!
most would agree with you about the testing, i know i do! but then you go off on these conspiracy tangents! 
to be fair i am sure there are misdiagnoses! but there is no organized cabal of the health providers! that is absurd!

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote:  The prediction by Dr. Fauci and others of 2 – 4 million deaths,thank you jimmy you made my point, if we did not isolate and mitigate the numbers might have been that high!!
 the President has even praised these efforts multiple times and so have many in both parties!
unfortunately the disastrous affects in our economy and the global economy are and will be the side effects!

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 10:38 pm by frankiej

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
GotIt, the article also does not address the reality of under reported Covid-19 deaths either which is at least an equal concern in getting the numbers right and probably a much higher number than over reporting. The only real difference is talking about the under reporting of deaths due to Covid-19 does not further the conspiracy theory like only talking about over reporting deaths does.

Testing accuracy has been a concern since day 1 but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting.
  
Jimmy, where do you get your numbers that testing is only 20% accurate?  The best I can tell is testing is above 80% which is still a big concern to everyone involved.  Lets see your sources, please. 

Jimmy, the President himself even stated that there was a potential for 2.2 million deaths.  That is all anybody has ever said.  All of the experts said "could" not "would" die  due to a widely accepted model at that time.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medicare-hospitals-covid-patients/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/21/838794281/study-raises-questions-about-false-negatives-from-quick-covid-19-test

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-coronavirus-death-projections/


Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 04:31 pm by Benito_Villa

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Benito, BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!
people have different forms of coping skills and dealing with reality!

i will admit many of the vital statics jimmy has raised, now have my attention! maybe that speaks of my coping skills, i either didn't know or blocked them out!

also, jimmy quoted FDR, "there is nothing to fear, but fear itself! i am NOT shaking in my boots, i see myself airing on the side of caution! 
* i am isolating and mitigating
* i use a face mask when doing my weekly shopping
* i have alcohol, bleach and hand disinfectant readily available
* months ago i filled my freezer with foods i made
* my cupboards are well stocked with canned and dry goods! 
* i only shop weekly for my weekly meal needs
* i have my hunting skills to provide for myself, if all is depleted


THAT IS NOT "FEAR", THAT IS ABIDING BY MY OLD "BOY SCOUT MOTTO"
 'BE PREPARED"!!!!!!!

Attached Image (viewed 238 times):

20200426_094232.jpg

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 04:47 pm by frankiej

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy, if you are so confident of you analysis of the pandemic, why don't you get out of your house sever the umbilical cord you have with your computer and get back to some normality, or...……………..……..is this normal for you??

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If nothing else---I have given the Minions something to herd together about..ha-ha-ha


It's True, I am not nor have I ever been part of the/your "Herd"----"Head em up, Move em out--Rawhide"


Herd Mentality----look it up, read about yourselves..

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 05:33 pm by Jimmy

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy, What constitutes a Herd? Some people are their own herd. Have you heard of that???

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

A Herd Of One??? HA!


You Look it up I am not inclined to spoon feed you                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_behavior

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 06:45 pm by Jimmy

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy, Your unwillingness to spoon feed me is a much apprciated blessing, as it appears you ducked when the learning curve came your way….

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
This week the US death toll from 8-9 weeks of COVID-19 will surpass the number of US deaths from 8 years in Vietnam.

Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2020 08:10 pm by TrueBlue

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Don't forget to look at the Whole Picture: All thanks to the Military-Industrial Complex who made Billions off of all those dead body's.......


Not until 1995 did Vietnam release its official estimate of war dead: As many as 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died in the war.


So, we still have a ways to go with the Covid-19 deaths before the count evens up....

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Someone is this threads most prolific poster ----Dare I say a Serial Poster needs a hobby....

jimmy, you wrote this on March 16, MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
goldin wrote: This was in today’s Diario del Yaqui. This is good news if they are actually treating sick people with something. It makes no sense to test, confirm the virus and let then get sicker or die. I’m thinking they are using the original malaria med plus antibiotics.




The Mexican government has said
Get out to resturaunts, support our economy.
Don't worry, China is a long ways away
We have plenty of equipment to protect our doctors, ventilators, no problema
We need to islolate until the end of March
After this is over we are going to help the poor
We need to isolate till the end of April
The schools will be closed in the end of May
Government employees will be off until the end of July 


Doctors and nurses are resigning, people are being given Tylenol and told to shelter with their relatives, the relatives get in and 3 hours later they have pictires of the same complainers in Ley in Guaymas


and now they announce they know which medicines to use, but they won't tell use because there could be a shortage.


see a pattern?



Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
It is not much better in NYC Hospitals---Here is a video of how bad it is in some of the NYC Hospitals.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR05LEDo5nM

Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 08:49 pm by Jimmy

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Jimmy, thanks for posting this. I have to admit that a lot of what this young lady says is TRUE! In one of my previous post's I mentioned how high flow nasal cannula oxygen and Bipap is beneficial early on with covid patients. I have done some research on this and have spoke with some ICU physicians that I work with. Many Physicians don't like this modality of treatment because it is aerosolizing and can more easily spread the virus to the health care provider. However, it seems to work better than immediately putting them on the ventilator. Where I work, most of the time they are put on a closed circuit ventilator, called a Drager. Like the nurse in the video said, ventilator's can cause barotrauma to a person with normal lung capacity. It is the high PEEP ( positive end expiratory pressure ) that does this. 
 I can't speak for the nurses in NY, but the nurses I work with do care and aren't neglecting people. I do find this whole thing frustrating because the mind set is early intubation and I feel that is the wrong treatment. 

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
the video jimmy posted is concerning! what is CONCERNING it is the 2nd HAND interpretation of the events in ONE hospital TAKEN from an OUTSIDE volunteer nurse.
watch the video at about 6 min. 20 sec. SHE CLEARLY states there are CRAPPY hospitals on a good day and CRAPPY NURSES !!!! this hardly represents ALL of New York's hospitals and health care workers!!
it is also probably the difference between PUBLIC and private hospitals and the staffing each is able to obtain! also there was no time line related, the person was relating 2nd HAND from the volunteer, who came to HELP AFTER THE FACT! THE FACT PROBABLY BEING THEY WHERE OVER WHELMED AND UNDERSTAFFED AND OVER STRESSED


jimmy, it is clear to me who your favorite character in "Star Wars" was as you completely emulate the "DARK SIDE"!
you take half truths and expound on all the negativity, FAILING miserably even wanting to see the other side! for you everything is negative, you take positive comments on a portion of your RANTS and see that as condoning of your rant as a whole!



Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 04:19 pm by frankiej

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, Very true it is 2nd hand info, however the premise of what she is saying is true. I am not buying into any conspiracy theories or anything like that. I merely think the current treatment most hospitals are doing is wrong, and we should all think outside the box. It's interesting to say the least.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Here is a video of how bad it is in the NYC Hospitals... 
 diver that is not the point, JIMMY'S POST IS A GENERALIZATION OF ALL NEW YORK HOSPITALS!


just as the 2nd hand report states "there are crappy hospitals and crappy nurses" !!!!!!!


believing in this generalization is saying "ONE rotten apple will spoil the whole barrel"!!!!


your statements are MORE to the reality of most hospitals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 05:20 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: If nothing else---I have given the Minions something to herd together about..ha-ha-ha



only in your own depraved and demented mind, jimmy VADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 04:54 pm by frankiej

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Have you not noticed that the virus, known as jimmy, never responds just spews...do not respond, the virus, known as jimmy will go away....

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Benito_Villa wrote:
https://www.snopes.com

https://www.npr.org

https://www.factcheck.org



Benito provided some good sources to fact check!!!


john, great advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 05:19 pm by frankiej

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Snopes is not a reliable source for fact-checking.

GOIT
Member
 

Joined: Fri Oct 28th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 73
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
"GotIt, the article also does not address the reality of under reported Covid-19 deaths either which is at least an equal concern in getting the numbers right and probably a much higher number than over reporting. The only real difference is talking about the under reporting of deaths due to Covid-19 does not further the conspiracy theory like only talking about over reporting deaths does."


The under-reporting of Covid deaths?  First I have heard of this.  


There seems to be a vast under-reporting of Covid infections and survivors, I have seen one study of 5,000 New Yorkers who were randomly tested, 20% have been exposed without ever knowing nor suffering any symptoms.  But I have not heard of the under-reporting of deaths, can you provide information on that?


I still stand by my original post stating that the article you posted does not disprove any conspiracy but in fact may provide proof for the over-reporting of Covid deaths unless the numbers of flu and pneumonia deaths actually listed on death certificates are accurate with numbers for past years and this years projections.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
This is not very encouraging, but it at least he is not sugar coating it.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-will-not-have-a-vaccine-by-next-winter-what-happens-when-coronavirus-returns-2020-04-22?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
Well 390, Snopes has been doing it publically for 25 years. What's your track record?

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Owned by Soros with a liberal agenda. Their track record has been challenged and found sorely wanting.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Meme Falsely Claims We 'Exposed' Snopes.com - FactCheck.org


curious the completion came to the rescue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!Snopes - Wikipedia


snopes history

Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 08:17 pm by frankiej

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Can find no mention, that george soros has anything to do with snopes…...

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Sure is fun playing with you guys! LOL

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
GOIT wrote: Unfortunately Benito the article provided does not address the conspiracy of higher numbers of deaths listed as Covid.  The article very simply and accurately states this years death rate by the flu is predicted(and definitely will be) in line with previous years.  BUT, are all those people who are either already dead of the flu or will be this year have their death certificate written to say flu, or Covid?  Yes science knows that a similar number of people will die from the flu(and pneumonia) this year, but unless it is documented correctly those deaths will boost the Covid death rate.  Please pull statistics that show the actual deaths attributed to this years flu and pneumonia are in line with previous year rates to discount the conspiracy theorists.
GotIT you ask a question in your last sentence that you answered yourself in your second sentence.  Those are the only statistics available now.
 
Concerning under reporting of Covid-19:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lbsbusinessstrategyreview/2020/04/06/how-many-people-have-really-died-from-covid-19/#309f506e67f7
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-covid-19-death-toll-likely-undercounted-not-overcounted/2973481001/
  
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/
 
 

Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 09:39 pm by Benito_Villa

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Regarding under counted deaths.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/covid-19-death-toll-undercounted/?arc404=true

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Spanish Facebook News posted yesterday.
The guy from deportenis that died infected his sister, and two other coworkers, so things are cooking in Guaymas.
After his sister did the interview condemning his employer Deportenis saying they obligated him to work, and that the hospitals turned him away, she then tested positive. Hrs after getting her results she was photographed shopping in Ley Centro and another store. They now have police outside her house making sure she stays inside.

The 59 yr old man man in Huantabampo who tested positive after arriving on a bus from Tijuana, was also being guarded in his home quarantine, then escaped and took a bus to Nogales. Claims he is also has Schizophrenia.

Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2020 11:33 pm by Bullshipper

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote: frankiej wrote:

 Podrían sancionar a guaymenses por no respetar cuarentena y asegurar que tienen Covid-19 - Opinión Sonora 


i think something was lost in the translation! I WAS ADAMANT WHEN I SAID SOME PEOPLE  ARE "IGNORANT"!! 
the article i pasted describes how the family of the 38 year young man earlier this week who SUCCUMBED to convid-19 are NOT OBEYING the quarantine! 


they knew he had the virus and where home bond with him UNTIL he was hospitalized! ""see guzzi"s post #278"""
* he was ill and diagnosed with the virus and told to go home and take acetaminophen "TYLENOL"!
* he was there for some time, with the OTHER 10 occupants of the household
* his health declined and was hospitalized
* he passed during his hospitalization
THE HOUSE AND ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE HOUSE HOLD ARE CONTAMINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE ARE NOW BEING FORCED TO MAINTAIN THEIR QUARANTINE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH PLACES THEM AT RISK!
THEIR FAILURE TO REMAIN ISOLATED IS IGNORANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S HOW THIS VIRUS SPREADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 bullshipper, thanks for verifying this report, and the abstinent arrogant IGNORANCE, that is now placing more in danger! 

Last edited on Tue Apr 28th, 2020 02:31 am by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
here is an article from "Opinion Sonora", please watch the video from the "Secretario de Salud Publica" Enrique Clausen Iberri, does the paternal and maternal names sound familiar? it should, i'll let you put the pieces together!


 Se registran 21 casos de Coronavirus en Sonora, entre ellas las dos mujeres infectadas en Guaymas - Opinión Sonora 


there are now 7 conformed cases of convid-19 in Guaymas! 


the clock is now ticking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
Well, I guess that leaves 390 - where? Inventive ??

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Nope, you're too boring to bother with anymore.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
BRAVO, BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 the  Iguanas brands of restaurants are providing a free DISINFECTANT SERVICE to entries of ALL the businesses currently operating in Guaymas and our pueblito San Carlos!!!!
they come professionally prepared and ask permission and spray down the entry!
THANK YOU TEAM IGUANAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attached Image (viewed 873 times):

20200428_092335.jpg

Last edited on Tue Apr 28th, 2020 05:19 pm by frankiej

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
One must clean first then disinfect, right?

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
GOIT wrote: "GotIt, the article also does not address the reality of under reported Covid-19 deaths either which is at least an equal concern in getting the numbers right and probably a much higher number than over reporting. The only real difference is talking about the under reporting of deaths due to Covid-19 does not further the conspiracy theory like only talking about over reporting deaths does."


The under-reporting of Covid deaths?  First I have heard of this.  


There seems to be a vast under-reporting of Covid infections and survivors, I have seen one study of 5,000 New Yorkers who were randomly tested, 20% have been exposed without ever knowing nor suffering any symptoms.  But I have not heard of the under-reporting of deaths, can you provide information on that?


I still stand by my original post stating that the article you posted does not disprove any conspiracy but in fact may provide proof for the over-reporting of Covid deaths unless the numbers of flu and pneumonia deaths actually listed on death certificates are accurate with numbers for past years and this years projections.


Here is an ABC article that addresses the subject of "Under Reported Covid Deaths" it states that there may be Tens of Thousands more Covid deaths than have been reported--------------------Enjoy.....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-accurate-is-us-covid-19-death-count-some-experts-say-off-by-tens-of-thousands/ar-BB13moSl?ocid=spartandhp----

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

you can find several interesting and informative articles for Sonora and Arizona!
the CONVID-19 map of Arizona is very informative!


ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México


UPDATES: Tucson area coronavirus developments, April 29: Here's what we know | Local news | tucson.com


Tucson.com | Breaking News | Arizona Daily Star


Coronavirus by Arizona ZIP code: Map with COVID-19 data

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
on Easter Sunday the unimaginable death toll was 21,686 at 12:08 pm.


 today May 3, 2020 the death toll is 67,155 at 12:38 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Sun May 3rd, 2020 07:41 pm by frankiej

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 


Remdesivir

WELL,WELL,WELL!! Isn’t it just an interesting coincidence that Remdesivir is made by Gilead and is the “CURE” for “COVID-19″….and here’s where it gets interesting China holds the patent on the drug through an agreement with Gilead’s drug patent sharing subsidiary branch called UNITAID who has an office near Wuhan and you’ll never guess who are the main financial investors in UNITAID….none other than George Soros, Bill & Melinda Gates, and WHO. I know what your thinking! It’s just all a coincidence isn’t it! Oh, don’t let me forget the other coincidence that Gilead and UNITAID were financial supporters of Hillary Clinton. Oh, silly me I forgot one more coincidence Fauci was the one authorizing millions to be sent to The Wuhan Institute of Virology specifically for the “study” of Coronaviruses……I sure am thankful it’s all just coincidences! Nothing to see here just keep moving along….🧐

The Best Coincidences are always found when you follow the money..

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
if you are only devoted to having searches in the "dark web" you will only find subject matter  and conspiracy theories that are easily debunked!


Is a Global Conspiracy Promoting Remdesivir Over Hydroxychloroquine for Treating COVID-19?

Last edited on Thu May 7th, 2020 09:12 pm by frankiej

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I said Nothing about any other remedy other than Remdesivir.....Just facts of who Owns Remdesivir. So where is the conspiracy Frank? Don't get your knickers in a wad..

Last edited on Thu May 7th, 2020 08:11 pm by Jimmy

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
oh brother...

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Just facts of who Owns Remdesivir. So where is the conspiracy Frank? Gilead Sciences inc. is a publicly owned company

Gilead Sciences - Wikipedia


Bill and Melinda Gates are major donors to this "FOUNDATION" as well as countries listed. they are NOT even on the board!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Governance - Unitaid

Last edited on Fri May 8th, 2020 12:03 am by frankiej

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Ok you two that is enuff. If you dont have anything to say about covid impacts in Mexico dont say anything on this thread. We are all tired of your sniping and bickering

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Article from New York Times about undercounting by government of Mexico.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/world/americas/mexico-coronavirus-count.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

Last edited on Fri May 8th, 2020 11:21 pm by TrueBlue

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
So who exactly are the sources for this story? Lets have some names or first hand evidence with a third party collaborator. Is he in town counting death certificates or what?

People I know are working with patients in Hermosillo, and everything the press is reporting there coincides with what they are telling me. Is it perfect, probably not, but I am used to that under normal circumstances living here for 40 years.

At this point, everyone is going to take the best care they can in their situation, and I really don't feel that sensational foriegn press contributes anything positive. We're currupt, we get it, we know that story sells.

The Health Secretary is the spokesman for the powers to be, and of course its going to balance facts with politics to come up with opinions and propaganda, but I personally feel that its less slanted than the embarrassing dialog coming from both points of view in the states, so to me this smacks like another unnecessary cheap shot.

Do you think this guy is on the front lines in Mexico City, or sitting in his office chair in NYC getting his 2 columns to his editor on a Friday afternoon?

Last edited on Sat May 9th, 2020 12:48 am by Bullshipper

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
looks like the Marina are making arrests for people out in their water craft!


VIDEO: Marinos detienen a tripulantes de yate por no respetar contingencia en San Carlos - Opinión Sonora

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bullshipper wrote: Do you think this guy is on the front lines in Mexico City, or sitting in his office chair in NYC getting his 2 columns to his editor on a Friday afternoon?
https://www.nytimes.com/by/azam-ahmed

Azam Ahmed

Mr. Ahmed’s investigative work on corruption and the illegal use of spyware, Pegasus, helped launch federal investigations in México and was submitted by the Times for a Pulitzer Prize.

In 2019, Mr. Ahmed reported a series on the homicide crisis in Latin America, the deadliest region in the world, outlining the root causes of the violence.

Each piece delve into a specific issue in a specific country, using intimate portraits of those living on the front lines of the crisis: the inescapable cycles of violence in Honduras, the scourge of femicide in Guatemala, the pervasiveness of illegally smuggled U.S. guns in Jamaica, the making of a cartel assassin in Mexico and the violence of the state in Brazil.

The project was also submitted by the Times for a Pulitzer.

Prior to moving to Mexico, Mr. Ahmed worked for nearly three years in Afghanistan covering the war there. He accompanied the Afghan security forces as they struggled to take over security from US forces, and more broadly wrote about the deterioration of the US’ longest-running war.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Thanks TB, appreciate the leg work on your part. It also looks like a similar piece came out yesterday in the Wall Street Journal.

The Health Minister responded yesterday in his address. On the testing he agreed that all the dead had not been tested. When that happened, the doctors and the staff were determining the probable cause of death in a good faith effort to report what happened. But that there is always a margin of error in any diagnosis, especially when some the of patients are so critically ill when they arrive. He also said that the federal governnment was closely linked by party to the mayor of Mexico City and that their collaboration was very good. He also remarked that the state governments were forwarding information to his office to add up and report, and he invited the NYTimes and WSJ to share his information first hand.Finally he mentioned that other politicians and parties in Mexico are trying to work the crisis to their advantage, but that personally, his objective is not to dimish the threat but to show how dangerous the virus is keep encouraging everyone to lock down.
He stated that they expect this to be the toughest week for the Mexico City valley area and that staying inside continues to be the most effective strategy.

I personally felt his response was heartfelt, informed, that I was listening to a competent Dr who was doing the best he could under the circumstances.

I also respect the NYT and WSJ, but still think their articles were meant to further their readership, still question their sources reliability and motive to discredit the Dept of Health, and the timing of their publication while folks are suffering the hardest blows so far in this crisis.

Guess I am getting over sensitive, but I can tell you that Gaetti is as popular with Mexicans as Fauci has be in the states, even though it appears that some are trying to muzzle his opinions, more so than AMLO who is defending his expert spokesman.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Reoccurring theme


https://apnews.com/837fa9a762a1fe5b0b7e629d8191a3e0

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Almost 60 new infections counted today in Sonora

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
here are some of the latest updates in Sonora!


¿Cuáles son los municipios de Sonora con más casos de coronavirus? | ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México


i told my wife over the phone that i wash my paper pesos when i get home, here is an article that supports my craziness!


¿Puede el coronavirus sobrevivir en billetes? | EL IMPARCIAL | Noticias de México y el mundo

Last edited on Tue May 12th, 2020 09:48 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i regret having to post this article, a person who is working in construction at a popular restaurant here in San Carlos was directly connected to a women who passed away of convid-19.thursday. all who are working in the construction there are in FEAR!


Temen por trabajador que fue contacto directo de la mujer que murió por Covid-19 en Guaymas - Opinión Sonora
 

Last edited on Wed May 13th, 2020 04:54 am by frankiej

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote: here are some of the latest updates in Sonora!


¿Cuáles son los municipios de Sonora con más casos de coronavirus? | ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México


i told my wife over the phone that i wash my paper pesos when i get home, here is an article that supports my craziness!


¿Puede el coronavirus sobrevivir en billetes? | EL IMPARCIAL | Noticias de México y el mundo



A lady in China burnt up over $400,000 in cash microwaving, thinking that the heat would kill all virus. I do not believe there is a study out yet that has proved that works .


I have wiped my credit card 6-7 times with the chlorine wipes, but now I can barley see the numbers.

Sunseeker
Member
 

Joined: Tue Dec 26th, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 9
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I spray bills and coins with 70% isopropyl alcohol. Leave it for a minute. Doesn't seem damage bills.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Sunseeker wrote: I spray bills and coins with 70% isopropyl alcohol. Leave it for a minute. Doesn't seem damage bills.



Thanks for the tip. I previously understood that 40% was the recommended alcohol concentration to sanitize hands. 70% is probably safer and faster.

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hand sanitizer and spray sanitizer needs to be at least 70 % alcohol. Anything less does not work on Covid-19 . Prior recommendations were anything over 60% but recent studies show 70% minimum to kill covid -19. Spray and leave on surface for a minimum 30 seconds.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Thanks Doc

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
denada

lasninas
Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 5th, 2008
Location:  
Posts: 378
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hey DocD, what are your thoughts on hydrogen peroxide?  We have it in a spray bottle and use it on door knobs, hands, etc.  Gracias. 

DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hydrogen peroxide 3% can also be used. spray and wait at least a minute. better yet is to let it dry on its own.
Hydrogen peroxide vapor is what is being used to sterilize used N95 masks.
The only other disinfectant , household wise, is bleach diluted 1/3 cup bleach to 1 gallon water. Bleach is corrosive though, so after 10 minutes you need to rinse it off.

lasninas
Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 5th, 2008
Location:  
Posts: 378
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Looks like we are on the right track.  Thanks for the feedback!

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
h2o2 decomposes to water - check yours

https://www.thoughtco.com/hydrogen-peroxide-shelf-life-3975974

SanCarlosNimzo
Member
 

Joined: Mon Oct 14th, 2013
Location:  
Posts: 31
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Wow, with all the "home made solutions" that are a "sure" way of working that people are posting on this site.
Here is a 100% way to be ok and Never get the coronus-v.
First, smoke a joint at least 5-6 times a day. 
Drink a bottle of wine, red or white during the day. No zin. Have a tequila chaser with each glass of wine.
If you do this, you will Never get it, or if you do, you will Never know it.
This was given to me by a user of this site that post hundreds of times. If someone posts hundreds of times on a site like this, they Have to be taken seriously.







DocD
Member
 

Joined: Sun Nov 8th, 2015
Location:  
Posts: 91
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Yes, hydrogen peroxide decomposes slowly to form water and oxygen gas. I would not use an old bottle found under the cupboard. Buy a new bottle.
The best item to use for hands is still soap and water.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
in today's news! in the last 24 hours from 50 cases reported a day, it has jumped to 100 cases a day, they stating it can TRAGICALLY rise to 220 cases a day!


En Sonora podrían ocurrir hasta 220 casos diarios de Covid-19: Gerardo Álvarez | ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México


IMHO there is no reason to listen to a post #399, who is obviously adhering to his cynical and belligerent banter!


wash your hands, disinfect with what you deem prudent, isolate and mitigate!


stay safe and stay healthy!!!!!!

Last edited on Thu May 14th, 2020 08:24 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
a employee of Abarrey market in Guaymas who works in the meat department is SUSPECTED of having convid-19. the management has been made aware, the employee was sent to be tested! HE IS BEING ALLOWED TO REMAIN WORKING UNTIL THE TEST RESULTS RETURN!


Empleado de Abarrey en Guaymas es sospechoso de Covid-19 - Opinión Sonora

Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2020 12:41 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
it is now being urged that the restaurants open their doors! they are being encourage to open at 10% of their capacity and to maintain a strict healthy protocol!!

Urge a restaurantes abrir sus puertas | ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México
 


also here is an enlightening video that will give you food for thought! it's an illustration how viruses and germs can easily and unknowingly be passed!!

Watch: Viral Japanese Video Shows How Quickly COVID-19 Can Spread At A Buffet

Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2020 06:24 pm by frankiej

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

I find it very unfortunate that people would actually believe these ridiculously low numbers that Mexico is reporting. Mexico does a booming trade and travel business with China, the way the US does, too. They did this all through the period before China came clean about the virus, and continue to do so. 


And they were late to limiting cross-border traffic from the US. In fact, it is STILL no problem coming down, even for people who dont live here. I know of several examples in the last two weeks of people who came to San Carlos for "non-essential" reasons like visiting grandma and grandpa.


Why would you think a society that is more openly social than the US, like Mexico is, would have numbers that are fractionally below the US?


The answer? They aren't. It could be a conscious effort to under report. An article from only two days ago. According to this article, the underreporting could be somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 to 34 times what is actually being reported.


https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21255012/coronavirus-covid-19-mexico-death-count-cases


Mexico's "popular" infectious disease czar is apparently fully on-board with exposing his countrymen with a deadly virus, while the health care system in Mexico could never keep up with the critical cases. Especially not the ISSSTE hospitals, which is probably where well over 50% of the population is forced to go, by economics.



Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Lets be clear, Gaetti is not advocating anything else but to isolate. I listen in his broadcasts daily, every day in Spanish, and this is consistently his message, and fortunately AMLO has stepped back after realizing his errors and let him handle the recommendations. along with the other Drs who are health ministers in all the states. So I am not sure where you are getting your news, but if thats what they are saying, they are not fairly representing what he is actually saying.


Testing is on a very low scale, no doubt about it, but after being in Tucson and Hermosillo, it is clear that the folks in Az have decided to go on with their life as if was business pre virus. In contrast, Hermosillo roads have very light traffic and the people are being a lot more cautious from what I saw.


You can speculate on numbers all you want, but if someone was not tested prior to passing, then the attending Drs hand in their diagnosis, and that is reviewed by the hospital managers, then goes to the state, then goes to the Feds in DF for compilation.


Is it bad and is it going to get worse, of course it is, but look at the densities in Mexico cities and the Mexican's depence on public transportation to work and eat, and that was a foregone conclusion that no one is arguing about here, like they are in the states.


So it sounds like you are getting a different story to what I am hearing daily, first hand.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I'll do a little translating"
Recently, another decree was made in Sonora allowing restaurants to continue to do curbside pickup and take out, but still shuttered their dining rooms off from allclients sitting down inside in any capacity.


But some taco and hot dog stands that open after hours are still getting away with serving, and letting people eat on premises.


So the national restaurant association made up a protocol on how they "promise" to operate, gave an interview to the Imparcial to publish their appeal by are asking the public and state to let them open their dining rooms and I would also assume alcohol services now too.


My opinion:
I suspect that there is no way that there are enough restaurant inspectors or policeman around to inspect workers, kitchens, and dining rooms and that driving by a taco stand is a lot more transparent and manageable with current city manpower, that are also now doing roadblocks, testing, and also making sure that folks that are sick are staying home, as much as possible.
I also understand that recirculating AC air spreads the droplets throughout confined spaces, lasting 14 minutes in the air from just talking than when in open air, and that eating and talking at a table with a mask on is not that feasible. 



Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2020 12:16 am by Bullshipper

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Not sure who Gaetti is, but Hugo López-Gatell Ramírez, Mexico’s Covid-19 response chief, was quoted on May 7th in the article I attached. That's who I was referring to.

“How many [cases] are there? A lot, a lot. Hundreds of thousands,” he said during a May 7 press conference. “If only it were millions, because that’s what would stop the epidemic: to have a lot of infected people.”

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hook wrote: Not sure who Gaetti is, but Hugo López-Gatell Ramírez, Mexico’s Covid-19 response chief, was quoted on May 7th in the article I attached. That's who I was referring to.

“How many [cases] are there? A lot, a lot. Hundreds of thousands,” he said during a May 7 press conference. “If only it were millions, because that’s what would stop the epidemic: to have a lot of infected people.”


https://twitter.com/lximenezfyvie/status/1258642700552855552

Here is the actual statement, in spanish, that the article quoted out of context, where he was initially asked to explain the concept of herd immunity. During that explanation, he volunteered that he expected that there were a lot more people infected than was being reported, because MANY CASES ARE ASYMPOMATIC, and that the policy is to self isolate. 

So he said, yes we would need 60-65% of the people, hundreds of thousands as quoted, but they left out the rest of the statement to create a big headline when he continued to say they needed this textbook % to achieve herd immunity, and that he could only hope that those people would suffer only light, or asympotic sysmtptoms if that happened.


The current policy here is if you start to feel ill, you call your DR or a lab, and they come to your home to test you.


Its BS fake news Hook.

Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2020 03:08 am by Bullshipper

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
yesterday Mexico reached it's highest toll of confirmed convid -19 cases, 2,437 in a 24 hour period.


Registra México el día con mayor número de casos confirmados de Covid-19


also yesterday Mexico exceeded the death toll of China from convid -19


México supera en muertes por COVID-19 a China | EL IMPARCIAL | Noticias de México y el mundo
  

Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2020 11:18 am by frankiej

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Only if you believe the numbers being reported by China, frankie.
Do you believe what they report?

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
see my thread "why so much misinformation"!!!
maybe together we can find the solution for the truth!

Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2020 02:58 pm by frankiej

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If you believe what China reports, I have some swamp land in Florida for sale.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I DID NOT WRITE THE ARTICLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just translating what i pasted,  was saying!


THAT IS WHY I STARTED THE POST "WHY SO MUCH MISINFORMATION"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Sat May 16th, 2020 07:23 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
diver45 wrote: Yeah aspirin maybe, but most people are put on heparin drips. 

diver, hope you are fine!! have you heard anymore about the use of heparin and aspirin treatment??
there is an Italian doctor promoting it's use!!! 

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Another Mexico COVID undercount article: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-16/how-many-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-in-mexico-no-one-knows-for-sure

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrVk.J5usFeAHQAoAUPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBzMmhnYjE4BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNxcnc-?type=86311238&hspart=omr&hsimp=yhs-001¶m1=y6bdVFVIsvuYsgEClQfz8HyFH9tZCHsOZFHNP%2BYwJC1%2BAoyTMxWna%2Fax%2F7ZIXHC7m8LAeZoS4G9z2zivyIMrMd%2Blqb61db%2B6VZB5dwtKNMj5gsLVtYGRJMXoG5spTbVxIA3Au7PpbHtknbW01QGOLGNhQGmHiou2G8PdY3IvsERa%2BOFNKoMV57Tvz8prAnBrqY1IuGX5025tvi%2FW7gPRF0r5Nu81pLFU7JLvC9db9gFlSGXkwOVPY0h2uRqtw98hxshpEWsg0QuYJ0hPKp3pEg%3D%3D&fr=yhs-omr-001&ei=UTF-8&p=undercounting+covid+deaths+in+the+usa&fr2=12642

diver45
Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 30th, 2010
Location:  
Posts: 116
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hello Frankie, I am doing well thank you, hope you are as well. I have not heard about patient's being put on aspirin when discharged, but I will look into it. The ones that are sick and intubated are still being put on heparin drips. 
 I took care of a older guy from a care facility that ended up being positive and later passed away, it was a little nerve racking, but I guess proper PPE really does work. It's been 2 weeks or so ans I feel fine. Our hospital's numbers have flattened out and overall stuff has been busier which is good. 
 When a covid patient is discharged from our hospital, they play "here comes the sun" by the Beatles. Heard it 4 times today, which is obviously good. Take care!

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
diver, great to hear from you!! what an up lifting post, thanks!!!!!!!!

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
the Secretary of Health, Sunday is reporting 981 cases and 73 deaths!


Covid-19 en Sonora: Suman 981 casos confirmados y 73 decesos

Last edited on Mon May 18th, 2020 05:02 pm by frankiej

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
That's not correct - those are total numbers since the start - actual translation is


 - confirmed this Sunday 76 new cases and 5 deaths from coronavirus in the entity.

kiteboarder
Member


Joined: Mon May 31st, 2010
Location: San Carlos Nuevo Guaymas, Mexico
Posts: 213
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Last edited on Mon May 18th, 2020 05:57 pm by kiteboarder

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bullshipper, you may have come to Tucson and think it is business as usual, but currently living here, and it is a far cry from "business as usual" We have opened up now, and still most of us are staying in place, wearing masks when we go out (only if we have to go out), and working remotely. Most offices have almost all of their office staff, working from home, with bare minimum crew on the premises. Most of us only go out when absolutely necessary, and practice safe distancing, and wear masks. Many businesses are still closed, or curb side pick-up only. Do not know where you were in Tucson, but I live centrally, and it is still very little traffic, and many still staying at home.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Well, that's good, LTR.

But I saw lots of restaurants open with people at tables w/o masks, lots or pedestrians walking together around office complexes, lots of traffic around stores, gas stations, banks, grocery stores of course, and generally 3-4x the number of cars on the streets thanI did when in Hermosillo the following day at rush hr.
The Park Mall and others are now open, so I am just stating my observations, nothing scientific.

Last edited on Mon May 18th, 2020 07:27 pm by Bullshipper

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Masks not only are ineffective, they can be harmful. Social distancing is effective, but then this is so overblown it is ridiculous. The death rate is less than many other diseases, and the recovery rate is averaging almost 99 percent.

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
390 Have no idea where you are getting your info from, please share your source.

dezrat57
Member
 

Joined: Mon Nov 7th, 2005
Location: New River,Az.
Posts: 106
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I like math....


330 million population in the USA
90 thousand deaths from covid-19 in the USA
% of population dying in the USA from covid-19 =0.0002727272 %


Turn off the news and relax....


Dave

Last edited on Mon May 18th, 2020 11:18 pm by dezrat57

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Exactly dezrat. Be more afraid of malaria. That's the number one killer in the world.

dezrat57
Member
 

Joined: Mon Nov 7th, 2005
Location: New River,Az.
Posts: 106
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
You are correct 390pony,  800,000 a year die from malaria woldwide
My father died at 58 yrs old from malaria he contracted in Batann when he was a guest of the japanese for 2.5 yrs


Dave

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
My father suffered from it for years. He contracted it in the South Pacific in WWII and had more than 50 episodes before the end of the war.

Last edited on Mon May 18th, 2020 11:39 pm by 390pony

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
So desrat - sorry for that - but that was the Phil in about 1943.

You 390 are both full of make believe BS and statiscical BS.

In fact, there have been "No malaria-related deaths have been reported (in Mexico) since 1998."

dezrat57
Member
 

Joined: Mon Nov 7th, 2005
Location: New River,Az.
Posts: 106
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hello not so nice guy


Yes my father died in 1974 from complications of having Malaria and BeriBeri which you have for life......So whats the BS
As far as stats go Google will take you to WHO and many other tracking organizations 


Best of Luck


Dave

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
pony, this is the recommendation from the CDC;
Recommendation Regarding the Use of Cloth Face Coverings | CDC

also, being our resident "archaeologist" maybe you should remind us what happened to the UNPROTECTED indigenous population of the America's
Population history of indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia 
body.fm
 
Dezrat, you are a casino operators dream, at best you have an elementary understanding of numbers!
* the WHOLE population has NOT been infected, so your calculation is only of value to you!
* there are only 405,000 deaths from Malaria in 2019, it is treatable, and preventable!
CDC - Malaria - Malaria Worldwide - Impact of Malaria


predicting the outcome of this pandemic in it's early stages, is similar to predicting the outcome of a game in the first inning, first quarter!!!!!!!
the NUMBERS are where they are because of ISOLATION and MITIGATION!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Tue May 19th, 2020 12:16 am by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
390pony wrote: Exactly dezrat. Be more afraid of malaria. That's the number one killer in the world.

WRONG!!!!!!
The top 10 causes of death

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie, first that is two years out of date, and second, it lists causes of death, not diseases. I am referring to diseases only. So, go wear the stupid and ineffective masks. I will not.

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Pony, I am told the masks when worn properly are designed to protect others from the wearer, if the wearer had the virus, and knows it, or has the virus and is asymptomatic. So, if you are as uncaring about your fellow man, were I you, I would stay away from anyone not wearing a mask....in other words......your kind.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
390pony wrote: Exactly dezrat. Be more afraid of malaria. That's the number one killer in the world.

the Malaria statistics from the CDC are dated 2018, they show the numbers dropping! since any other statistic from the CDC would be the 2019 study, it's only a year old!



you should throw in the towel, because this definitely says "number one killer", last time i looked killer is synonymous with death not diseases!


I AM NOT POSTING TIT FOR TAT, BUT IF SOMETHING IS INCORRECT, IT SHOULD BE CORRECTED USING REFERENCE TO DO SO!
YOU WHERE ASKED AND DIDN'T!

Last edited on Tue May 19th, 2020 12:44 am by frankiej

dezrat57
Member
 

Joined: Mon Nov 7th, 2005
Location: New River,Az.
Posts: 106
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Frankie
All of my posts over the 15 yrs i have had a home in SC i have NEVER said anything derogatory on any one of my posts.... just trying to help or maybe how i see it..
No wonder i have had 112 posts in 10 years...people like you....


BYE

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I posted and pasted references!from referable institutions and agencies! that is the difference in finding the truth!


i have no ill feeling for you or pony, we are all allowed to make comments!


 we are in a pandemic, WORDS MATTER!

Last edited on Tue May 19th, 2020 12:52 am by frankiej

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
If you all want to start a flame war, I know how to stop it.

dezrat57
Member
 

Joined: Mon Nov 7th, 2005
Location: New River,Az.
Posts: 106
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Dezrat, you are a casino operators dream, at best you have an elementary understanding of numbers!


Really......WHY


God Bless my Mother...If you don't have anything nice say don't say it
but i guess with social media everyone has a pulpit

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
dezrat57 wrote: I like math....


330 million population in the USA
90 thousand deaths from covid-19 in the USA
% of population dying in the USA from covid-19 =0.0002727272 %


Turn off the news and relax....


Dave


First off, I am not trying to offend you Dave, but if you are stating percentages, your math calculation is off by a factor of 100:1.


Second
The USA CDC says that were were 5 deaths in the USA last year from Malaria, where we now have over 90,000 in the last 2 months with covid. So which one is more serious, Covid-19 or Malaria?


85,000 malaria deaths happen world wide, mostly in poor countries, and the world population is 6.8 Billion, not 0.33 Billion in the states. Mosquitos pass malaria, and people spread Covid19, last I heard.

dezrat57
Member
 

Joined: Mon Nov 7th, 2005
Location: New River,Az.
Posts: 106
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hello Bullshipper
I met you at Luis' boat shop..we both have Power Cats...
I'am sorry at my ignorance.....
i'am in Az.now....
My company i have owned  for 35 + years has not been effected by corona-19  but  we have been hiring....
We are not afraid.....
Not sure what else to say...


Dave

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Comment deleted due to fear of a Pile-On by the Heavy Posting Shallow Thinkers 

Last edited on Tue May 19th, 2020 02:39 am by Jimmy

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
dezrat57 wrote: Hello Bullshipper
I met you at Luis' boat shop..we both have Power Cats...
I'am sorry at my ignorance.....
i'am in Az.now....
My company i have owned  for 35 + years has not been effected by corona-19  but  we have been hiring....
We are not afraid.....
Not sure what else to say...


Dave




Hey buddy!
Great to hear you doing well, and that you are hiring. Best news I've heard in a while
You had it right in your mind and adding that % at the end was probably just a typo.
And I agree, the news is very discouraging, especially when the media is printing that the expect the cases in AZ to rise the most out of all states (541%)
Everyone has to manage their individual situation the best they can in my opinion too.
Hope to see you next time your down.
Jeff

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Are those figures ascribed to AZ, because they had a late start, or are things going sideways there???

Steverhnm
Member


Joined: Sun Oct 23rd, 2016
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 45
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Just an FYI for those interested. I found the place on the DHS website that states the current status of "non-essential" travel as of Mar 21st the are extending another 30 days.

So do you think they will stop me from coming down and working on my sailboat? I have to add water to the batteries and it is not something easily delegated. They are shoe-horned into the farthest corners of the aft end of the boat... Not sure it will survive the summer and the task needs to be done. It is literally a 30 minute task.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/20/joint-statement-us-mexico-joint-initiative-combat-covid-19-pandemic?utm_source=http://www.dhs.gov&utm_medium=http://www.dhs.gov&utm_term=undefined&utm_content=undefined&utm_campaign=(not%20set)&gclid=undefined&dclid=undefined&GAID=515838472.1589860811#

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I looked for the article with no luck. It ran right after Trump visited AZ and Duecey said they would reopen soon. The math models then predicted the death rates in all 50 states and Az was #1 in increased deaths. Can't remember more than the number at 541%, but it was a prediction produced by a known university. Sure hope it doesn't come to pass, and I am sure the rural low density counties will not suffer like Maricopa or Pima with higher density,


52% polled in AZ today thought the reopening was too much too soon, so it who knows?

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I found some projections for AZ. Who knows?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/arizona

Steverhnm
Member


Joined: Sun Oct 23rd, 2016
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 45
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Tough call on this Corona thing, the tragedy is real for many.  I myself am in what they call and "at risk" group but I personally feel the social distancing, cleanliness and common sense will prevail, as it does with many other diseases we are exposed to on a regular basis.  Obviously I feel strongly enough to bet my life on my decision, it should be my decision - and I will own the outcome if negative without complaining.  The initial response of closing borders and businesses was to slow things down until we established the resources to manage the sick.  Clearly Mexico is not up to the task of hospital resources for large masses.  That will not change in time to help the people of Mexico so this economic stranglehold will compound the pain for many.

Not many countries are-Africa will also suffer significantly-they are worse off than Mexico.  I feel empathy for those souls that will suffer because of lack of resources.  I would never intend to discount the pain for many but in reality the numbers are different for the southwest in my opinion due to wide open spaces, healthier lifestyles in the sunbelt.  We have a huge problem in the Navajo Nation, but if you look at those statistics it is because of the rampant issues of uncontrolled diabetes and obesity.

I can't believe the balls of the Chinese only sending $500 Billion to the WHO to combat the virus since they manufactured this contagion and accidentally set it loose.  This fact will come out in the future.  

This shutdown can't continue as the economic infrastructure will ruin the livelihoods and economic survival of so many small businesses (that have survived generations-only to be shuttered by this self-imposed economic crisis) and working men/women - I would like to come down to Mexico and spend my hard earned money to support the local economy and people in a respectful, socially distanced manner as it will have the most impact there. 

I am curious if anyone thinks I might be able to get across if I show my papers on my boat.  Anyone have any recent anecdotal experience on crossing the border recently (within last couple days) ?  Time to get on with our lives IMHO.

Angel
Member
 

Joined: Sun Aug 13th, 2006
Location: San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 99
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Steverhnm wrote:


I am curious if anyone thinks I might be able to get across if I show my papers on my boat.  Anyone have any recent anecdotal experience on crossing the border recently (within last couple days) ?  Time to get on with our lives IMHO.


Other people have said in different social platforms that they have crossed into Mexico with no problems, they may take your temperature in Nogales, and even "invite" you to go through a sanitizing tunnel.


As of an article today on El Imparcial out of Hermosillo, it says that both the USA and Mexico have lifted their travel restrictions as of today.


https://www.elimparcial.com/sonora/sonora/Terminan-restricciones-de-cruces-fronterizos-a-Estados-Unidos-el-19-de-mayo-20200518-0021.html

Cclub
Member
 

Joined: Sun Sep 10th, 2017
Location:  
Posts: 22
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I don't think there is any problem at the border. People from here have been crossing regularly. Have a recite or paper work from a marina and your boat. Keep a face mask handy and practice physical distancing. Stay safe-on the highway also.

Steverhnm
Member


Joined: Sun Oct 23rd, 2016
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 45
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Thank you for the feedback everyone.  Be safe, stay healthy.  I appreciate the responses.

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
According to Reuters the land travel ban was extended just before noon today to Jun 22. Non essential travel is still banned. 

Last edited on Tue May 19th, 2020 09:46 pm by bartmanaz

nice guy
Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 25th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 963
Status: 
Online
Mana: 
Bart, I think that's the US-Mex ban, and today Canada announced the Can-US ban was extended till June 21.

bartmanaz
Administrator


Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona USA
Posts: 3452
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Not much difference. 1 day?

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
johnmoore wrote: Are those figures ascribed to AZ, because they had a late start, or are things going sideways there???



https://covidusa.net/?state=Arizona

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Seattle Times is quoting the Mexican Foreign Minister as saying Mexico is extending the ban, too.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/canada-us-extend-border-closure-to-non-essential-travel/

Not much of a ban, though, with respect to Mexico. Regularly violated by many accounts.

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Just watched this on national NBC news:

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/inside-mexico-s-fight-against-coronavirus-83662405651

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

from the Department of Homeland Security
Notification of Temporary Travel Restrictions Applicable to Land Ports of Entry and Ferries Service Between the United States and Canada





from the CDC
nterim Final Rule: Control of Communicable Diseases: Foreign Quarantine; Suspension of Introduction of Persons Into United States From Designated Foreign Countries or Places for Public Health Purposes | Quarantine | CDC

Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2020 01:21 pm by frankiej

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
From what was posted, they stated that "if the statistics stayed the same projection, " then it would.....In grad school, we called this bungled statistics. Arizona will not be the new hot bed for the virus. You can find bungled statistics for almost anything if you look hard enough. Too bad the state of Arizona is limiting testing ONLY to those that have been exposed (to their knowledge) and to people showing symptoms. This eliminates all that are asymptomatic, and spreading the virus.....very difficult to get tested unless you show symptoms, yet they complain that hardly anyone show up for the testing. They are lacking people. Testing should be open to the general public, to really see what is happening in the state.

MARIGOT
Member


Joined: Wed Aug 5th, 2009
Location:  
Posts: 1309
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Below is the text from an email I received last Friday from a doctor in the Phoenix area that I had once visited.  I am sure they are not the only doctor’s office performing testing for the public.  One just needs to find the offices that offer it...


Embry Women's Health

Registration is now available for Test Blitz Saturday. Offered at our Mesa, AZ office there is zero patient cost. Testing is available to all regardless of insurance, symptoms, exposure or any other criteria. https://bit.ly/3bxVT72
Embry Women’s Health is set to test over 1,500 patients at it’s Mesa, Arizona office during the state's Testing Blitz this Saturday on May 16th. This will be done in partnership with the Governor's Office, Arizona Department of Health Services and other testing sites statewide. Two types of tests will be offered. They include the diagnostic test to determine if someone currently has the virus. As well as the newly released antibody virus to determine if someone has previously had the virus. 
 
The State of Arizona Testing Blitz only includes diagnostic testing. This is what most offices across the state will be offering on Saturday. However, Embry Women’s Health identified at it’s first test blitz that many patients also want to know if they have previously had the virus. The operations have been uniquely set up to allow patients to have both tests performed. Diagnostic testing will be performed in the car while antibody testing will be done at a blood draw station. As always safety is our number one concern. Patients are asked to wear masks. Additionally, the operation has been set up to ensure appropriate social distancing is available. 
 
Both tests will be offered through Sonora Quest as the chosen laboratory partner. They will be zero cost to all patients regardless of insurance. For those with insurance there is zero patient responsibility including no copay, deductible or cost share. In-network status also does not apply for COVID-19 Screening and Diagnostic Testing. Those patients without insurance will be registered for a government program that covers 100% of the cost of testing. 
 
Patients are able to schedule in advance and pre register for a test time. Arriving onsite patients can expect to be directed to a testing bay where they will be greeted. The patient will be checked in and registration will be completed. A provider will then collect a nasal swab while the patient remains in the vehicle. Once completed the patient is offered the antibody test. If they decide to have one done they will park, and follow signs to the blood draw area. All antibody tests are done by blood draw. A provider will draw the blood which will then be sent to Sonora Quest. 
 
Results typically take from one to three days to come back. Patients will be notified of their test results electronically, which can then be viewed in the patient portal. 
 
Registration and more information is available online at https://bit.ly/3bxVT72 For questions call or text 480-376-2170

Saturday May 16th marks the final Arizona Testing Blitz that Arizona has committed to. However, Embry Women’s Health has no plans to stop. We realize that there is a strong need in the community for testing, including diagnostic and antibody testing. As long as patients have a need to be tested we will be there to help them. A Testing Blitz will be held each Saturday throughout the month of May and June.
Sign Up Today at https://bit.ly/3bxVT72

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Pretty significant news announced today on Yahoo.

Treatment
Doctors have found an effective treatment for the Inflamatory syndrome that is affecting children. The serum is also used to treat Kawasaki deasease. Aticle in Yahoo.


And the Second Vaccine Announcement
Vaccine Procurement negotiations now brings the USA 300 million Oxford vaccine too, along with the  3 other other previous commitments. And if the Trump team put this together, it will change my mind about what I viewed as a lack of early effort by his staff. First delivery's for phase 3 testing soon, and 30 milliion of the first doses as early as September.

Not sure I can quote on the Forum, so excuse me Bart if pasting this info is the wrong approach.

The United States has secured almost a third of the first one billion doses planned for AstraZeneca's experimental COVID-19 vaccine by pledging up to $1.2 billion, as world powers scramble for medicines to get their economies back to work.

While not proven to be effective against the coronavirus, vaccines are seen by world leaders as the only real way to restart their stalled economies, and even to get an edge over global competitors.

After President Donald Trump demanded a vaccine, the U.S. Department of Health agreed to provide up to $1.2 billion to accelerate AstraZeneca's vaccine development and secure 300 million doses for the United States.

"This contract with AstraZeneca is a major milestone in Operation Warp Speed's work toward a safe, effective, widely available vaccine by 2021," U.S. Health Secretary Alex Azar said.

The vaccine, previously known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and now as AZD1222, was developed by the University of Oxford and licensed to British drugmaker AstraZeneca. Immunity to the new coronavirus is uncertain and so the use of vaccines unclear.

The U.S. deal allows a late-stage - Phase III - clinical trial of the vaccine with 30,000 people in the United States.

AstraZeneca, based in Cambridge, England, said it had concluded agreements for at least 400 million doses of the vaccine and secured manufacturing capacity for one billion doses, with first deliveries due to begin in September.

Now the most valuable company on Britain's blue-chip FTSE 100 Index, it has already agreed to deliver 100 million doses to people in Britain, with 30 million as soon as September. Ministers have promised that Britain will get first access to the vaccine.



VACCINE SCRAMBLE

With leaders across the world surveying some of the worst economic destruction since at least World War Two, and the deaths of more than 325,000, many are scrambling for a vaccine.

The U.S. government has already struck deals to support vaccine development with Johnson & Johnson (J&J), Moderna and Sanofi, sparking fears the richest countries will be able to protect their citizens first.

The head of Sanofi angered the French government earlier this month when he said vaccine doses produced in the United States could go to U.S. patients first, given the country had supported the research financially.

AstraZeneca said it was in talks with governments and partners around the world - such as the Serum Institute of India - to increase access and production, and is speaking to various organisations on the fair allocation and distribution of the vaccine.

"We would like to thank the US and UK governments for their substantial support to accelerate the development and production of the vaccine," AstraZeneca Chief Executive Pascal Soriot said.

The Serum Institute of India, the world's largest maker of vaccines by volume, has dedicated one of its facilities with a capacity to produce up to 400 million doses annually to producing the Oxford vaccine.

"We are scaling up on a conservative basis of about 4 to 5 million doses a month to begin with," Chief Executive Adar Poonawalla told Reuters, adding the company was in discussions with AstraZeneca.



COVID-19 PROTECTION?

A Phase I/II clinical trial of AZD1222 began last month to assess safety, immunogenicity and efficacy in over 1,000 healthy volunteers aged 18 to 55 years across several trial centres in southern England. Data from the trial is expected shortly.

There are currently no approved treatments or vaccines for COVID-19.

Governments, drugmakers and researchers are working on around 100 programmes, and experts are predicting a safe and effective means of preventing the disease could take 12 to 18 months to develop.

Only a handful of the vaccines in development have advanced to human trials, an indicator of safety and efficacy, and the stage at which most fail.

"AstraZeneca recognises that the vaccine may not work but is committed to progressing the clinical program with speed and scaling up manufacturing at risk," it said.

Other drugmakers including Pfizer Inc , J&J and Sanofi are also in various stages of vaccine development.

U.S.-based Inovio Pharmaceuticals said on Wednesday its experimental vaccine produced protective antibodies and immune system responses in mice and guinea pigs.

And Moderna this week released positive data for its potential vaccine, which it said produced protective antibodies in a small group of healthy volunteers.

Last edited on Thu May 21st, 2020 07:48 pm by Bullshipper

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Mexico is now ranked number 10 in the world for convid-19 deaths, displacing Canada!


México entra al top 10 de los países con mayor número de muertes por Covid-19 | ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México


here is Guaymas an anesthesiologist has tested positive at the IMSS hospital.


Médico del Hospital del IMSS da positivo a COVID-19 - Opinión Sonora
  

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i am pasting this article with a video with a scientist from AstraZeneca to augment post #462 !!
we can only hope and pray, this is the "magic bullet"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


U.S. commits $1.2 billion to AstraZeneca production of Oxford coronavirus vaccine - CBS News

Last edited on Fri May 22nd, 2020 04:42 pm by frankiej

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The government is saying that 3327 died in Mexico City today.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
WOW! Did NYC ever have single-day death numbers that high?

DF is about three times the population of NYC, of course.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I came back to correct my post. 8300 have died to date in all of Mexico, and other sources say the daily death toll was 479 in all of Mexico, not 3300 just in Mexico City as was reported.

repsilon
Member


Joined: Tue Jan 16th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 2972
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
So, half of all the deaths in the country for the 3 month duration in one day?

repsilon
Member


Joined: Tue Jan 16th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 2972
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I am sure that is since the start. 


Numbers across the country look like one case for every 1,300. One death for every  23,000. Assuming an average 70 year life span and multiplying the duration of this 3-4 times to make a year, that makes for an average of about a one percent increase in the death rate of people that would have normally died in the year.


Who knows about false-positive tests, called in assumed cases, or how the real cause of death is diagnosed here. We will definitely see the media, government, and others capitalizing on this and I am sure that China will own a large portion of the country within a year. The middle-class is going to be greatly hurt, along with any tourist areas. The government appears to be militarizing along with the cartels and we'll see another period of violence like the last. So, just keep things in perspective, question the game plans, and maybe still remember that life is short.

Last edited on Sun May 24th, 2020 04:36 pm by repsilon

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
El Portal de la Noticia - Muere chofer de la ruta de Guaymas Norte
Guaymas Norte bus driver dies from convid-19

in other news WHO issues warning!
WHO warns of "second peak" in areas where COVID-19 declining - AOL News


REPORTED MAY 25, 2020    3 DEAD FROM CONVID-19
Mueren 3 guaymenses por Coronavirus y se acumulan 129 fallecimientos en Sonora - Opinión Sonora

Last edited on Tue May 26th, 2020 02:35 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Wednesday May 27, 2020, 3:23 PM, today the death toll is 100,047!
Easter Sunday April 12,2020, the death toll was 21,686.
that was 46 days ago, in that short time period 78,361 citizens of the USA lost their lives to convid-19!

Last edited on Wed May 27th, 2020 10:45 pm by frankiej

odwyerpw
Member


Joined: Fri Feb 24th, 2006
Location: Alamos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 722
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
In Alamos, our first case was announced today. The woman is in the hospital, her child is being quarantined in the house. Due to HIPPA privacy concerns, the age of the woman, nor any personal details, have not been revealed.

Alamos did an awesome job at keeping the contagion at bay for a long time, while other nearby communities in southern sonora had outbreaks.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
odwyerpw wrote: In Alamos, our first case was announced today. The woman is in the hospital, her child is being quarantined in the house. Due to HIPPA privacy concerns, the age of the woman, nor any personal details, have not been revealed.

Alamos did an awesome job at keeping the contagion at bay for a long time, while other nearby communities in southern sonora had outbreaks.




Sure hope it stays that way. Other little mining towns around Sonora where I used to work are virus free. Its almost make you think about going to live on a ranch instaed of the inner city.

Hook
Member
 

Joined: Wed Oct 26th, 2005
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3738
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
odwyerpw wrote: In Alamos, our first case was announced today. The woman is in the hospital, her child is being quarantined in the house. Due to HIPPA privacy concerns, the age of the woman, nor any personal details, have not been revealed.

Alamos did an awesome job at keeping the contagion at bay for a long time, while other nearby communities in southern sonora had outbreaks.


So, you actually believe what the authorities are reporting down there, even in the face of independent evidence from health care professionals working in hospitals and morgues and independent media outlets, etc.?


OK.......... 


A country that is one of the most socially co-mingling societies in the world, living right next to the country with the most deaths, has magically found a way to keep their PURPORTED death rate at something below virtually any other country with a similar population.


I tell you what. They should share their secret with the rest of the world. Even if the secret is moonshine bacanora! Because it isnt social distancing or closing their borders.


The secret is................they dont test. It's that simple. They have NO IDEA how many are infected and who has died from what. Their top health officials at the Federal level admit it, publicly.



Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Spanish news is reporting that a Dr from the Guamymas General Hospital tested positive, was admitted, and then dissapearred the same day from the hospital. My guess the poor guy is now in Hmo or Tucson looking for help.

goldin
Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 9th, 2016
Location:  
Posts: 243
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Or dead. The math is clear to me. In Mexico the death rate from coronavirus cases is over 10%. Thats high as compared to the US, which runs around 5%. Why do you think it’s so high? Well, it could be there are secondary conditions, like diabetes, obesity, heart issues, which complicate the disease, from which nobody can recover. Or there’s no adequate medical capabilities, like experienced Drs to recognize symptoms and or available equipment or drugs to treat properly. Or there’s no organization/plan in place to asses, treat, manage and report in the small hospitals. Bottom line they are ill prepared to handle the magnitude of this pandemic. It’s been three months. I don’t think it’s going to get better soon.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
goldin wrote: Bottom line they are ill prepared to handle the magnitude of this pandemic. It’s been three months. I don’t think it’s going to get better soon.last weekend was the 3 day  memorial holiday, people where encouraged to go to church on Sunday, and there are videos from coast to coast of the partying that was had!' this week we had people demonstrating in Minneapolis and demonstrations are now happening in almost every major city! 
it doesn't take a genius to predict a major over run of the hospitals in the next few weeks!


the magnitude of this pandemic IS in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited on Sat May 30th, 2020 03:26 am by frankiej

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Over 600 in Hermosillo, 51 in Guaymas, 1 in Empalme and now 1 in Alamos have had the virus according to reports tonight.

And there was another cartel/military fight this eve in Empalme in the news too.

I have been going to Guaymas 2-3 times a week, and I would estimate 80%+ of the people I see on the street have their masks on and are keeping their distance. Everyone is concerned, but so there are no protests, except from the medical personal that have taken it on the chin with no bonus pay that they were promised and a higher than normal infection rate.

I see a lot of walkers, joggers, and bicycle enthusiasts excersising w/o mask, but they are out on their own and mostly anglos.

I personally do not know of anyone that has fallen ill yet here in town, so it looks like the distancing, along with the lower density has been our saving grace so far, even though there were a lot of tourists last weekend using Arbolitos, Charly's Rock, et al.

I am concerned about the fate of our small private contractors that depend on tourists to eat. The port captain is still not permitting the captains to take parties fishing or cruising after 2 months of no income. No word on when they will reopen.

I really don't think solution to the virus is a math problem, or a testing one. Medicine that will fight this are hit and miss, as well as Drs that have experience, anyplace in the world. The population here is not a healthy or wealthy one that can't afford not to work, travel alone, live at low densities on big estates, have fine hospitals or even pay for extensive testing, but they seem to maintain their good manners and cheer while also dealing with the reality of their predicament.

The only squawking I hear in the news is from people in the states who are getting unemployment, stimulus checks, and thinking that carrying a weapon down the street is a cool way of expressing themselves.

Mexico is ill prepared? Well so is the rest of the world, the US included.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Imparcial is now saying 122 new cases in Sonora with 6 deaths in the last 24 hrs.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Word in the States is that 42% of all deaths were in Rest Homes. And that some State Governors were forcing Rest Homes to take Covid Infected patients. If this is true then this was tantamount to murder. 

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hotel Guaymas Inn now being used as COVID quarantine center.

https://www.radarsonora.com/hotel-guaymas-inn-funciona-como-centro-covid/

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Dying for business, no pun intended

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
the use of hotels is an indicator that the existing hospitals are beyond their capacities! 
the same "type" of practices where being used in NY, NY!

this is a dire situation, we ALL should be concerned with!

maryt
Member
 

Joined: Tue Aug 14th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 815
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
No Frankiej, your conclusion is not accurate. Right now there is no one staying there. It is part of a national plan to make sure that hospital beds will be available. The hotel, according to the article and I will add the link, is for people who test positive but are not very sick and are unable to isolate at home for various reasons.

https://www.radarsonora.com/hotel-guaymas-inn-funciona-como-centro-covid/


I am not saying we should not be concerned about the virus but that the fact the hotel is going to be used is not a sign of a dire problem but of good planning.

Last edited on Sun May 31st, 2020 01:47 pm by maryt

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
maryt, my post was in response to posts #'s 481 & 482! i made no assumption to the hotel's current occupancy! i did relate how the practice was used in NY,NY! 
i find it obvious with ALL the new convid-19 cases, including medical personal and related deaths associated with the local hospitals, that it only be prudent that the "national plan" be activated!


i remind you MOST, those suspected of having the virus are sent back home! we have seen how this can be a mistake IE; the young man who passed away who worked for "deportenis", HE LIVED IN A HOUSEHOLD OF 10!!! the bus driver who worked and lived in the Guaymas Norte route! the article you posted refers to isolating people with households of more than 4!


you state my conclusion is "in accurate" but you fail to provide any statistics regarding current occupancy of all the hospitals in Guaymas!


mary, you and I are not the PROFESSIONALS making these prudent decisions for the community! WE ARE THE OBSERVERS LIVING IN ISOLATION IN THE COMFORTS OF OUR HOMES, expanding our knowledge through press releases, THAT ARE UPDATED AND REVISED TO MEET THE CURRENT UNDERSTANDINGS BEING RELEASED!
Registra Hermosillo más casos de Covid-19 | ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México

Last edited on Sun May 31st, 2020 03:09 pm by frankiej

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Iguanas was open yesterday evening with live music and lots of people. I counted 22 vehicles there around 7. Can imagine how many more people later. Nobody sitting at the bar, only at tables. Hang on folks, this is just getting started here.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-184358113.html

odwyerpw
Member


Joined: Fri Feb 24th, 2006
Location: Alamos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 722
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hook,


It's a very small town and it's not like San Carlos or Guaymas where folks barely speak to their neighbors; it's very close knit community. I could cite examples, but it would fill this page.


They turned away tourists, shut down almost ALL businesses in Alamos, they put up roadblocks on the two major roads in (via Navojoa and Masiaca), restricted travel, wore face masks, all very early, way before the Federal, State and other local goverments were taking this kind of action. Sound cars go around daily encouraging people to stay home.


If someone were displaying symptoms in this tiny place, they would go to the hospital and be tested. This time of year we are very hot, very dry (of course the very first sprinkles of the monsoon season just arrived Saturday), conditions favorable for good health. When there is a Flu in this town... EVERYONE gets sick... including ME.... Has not happened with this pandemic.


Having lived in San Carlos, Guaymas and Alamos... having conducted business in all three... I can tell you that Alamos is a much more transparent community. Sure, that's anecdotal. However, it is unlikely there is some grand cover up in Alamos. I don't think there is much fodder for the dark web in alamos. 


Now that there is one case, sure we will probably begin to see more, as obviously it's arrived. We will see how they combat the spread.... They certainly did a good job of putting precautions in place to delay it's introduction..

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
"it's not like San Carlos or Guaymas where folks barely speak to their neighbors" That is a sad statement to make, was it you or your neighbors? How long did you live in SC?

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
He lived here for some time! I remember working a charity event with him, many years ago.

johnmoore
Member
 

Joined: Fri Jun 21st, 2013
Location: Alameda, Ca.
Posts: 1143
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
So Kimberly, do you agree with his social description of San Carlos?

lasninas
Member
 

Joined: Fri Dec 5th, 2008
Location:  
Posts: 378
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
This is very good news!

odwyerpw
Member


Joined: Fri Feb 24th, 2006
Location: Alamos, Sonora, Mexico
Posts: 722
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
johnmoore wrote: "it's not like San Carlos or Guaymas where folks barely speak to their neighbors" That is a sad statement to make, was it you or your neighbors? How long did you live in SC?

Let's see if I can word this another way.


I'm a gregarious, outgoing, social person. I'm not hard pressed to start conversations.


San Carlos is a transient beach town. Lots of second homes, lots of tourist coming and going. Guaymas is a small city / big port town. Rather high crime. 


Alamos is a small isolated mountain pueblo. Folks are more engaged with one another.


Seven+ years in Guaymas/SanCarlos, Six+ years in Alamos. Just find neighbors interact much much more in the small rural setting. I may have used a bit of hyperbole to describe interactions between neighbors in cities and transient beach towns.  No need to feel saddened by or make drama of my statement.


Back to the topic at hand.  Still just the one reported case of Coronavirus in Alamos. Businesses opened up this week, so let's see if it holds...





Last edited on Tue Jun 2nd, 2020 09:43 pm by odwyerpw

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
7 employees from Guaymas General Hospital have been withdrawn from their duties, 2 testing positive for convid -19 and 5 having direct contact with the infected!


Retiran 7 empleados del Hospital General de Guaymas; dos positivos a COVID-19 - Opinión Sonora

Last edited on Thu Jun 4th, 2020 12:16 am by frankiej

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I hear that 241 medical personnel have died in all of Mexico so far from the virus.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Mexico is now reporting a bit more than 2x the deaths per day compared to a month ago. 3900 new cases, 1092 deaths yesterday.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Pretty good article about the recent reports of more deaths in one day than the US. Official denial of course.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-time-mexico-records-more-010610574.html

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
many places have opened! people are out and about! do you really believe your safe now because of these openings?
the number of reported infected cases and the death rate are increasing! here and in the USA we are now seeing the affects of the Memorial weekend! the numbers will only increase in the following days and weeks! STAY SAFE STAY HEALTHY!!!!!!!!!!!


Sonora reporta la mayor cifra de casos confirmados de Covid-19 en un día | ELIMPARCIAL.COM | Noticias de Sonora, México


Mueren 14 sonorenses por Covid-19 y se superan las 3 mil personas infectadas - Opinión Sonora

long time resident
Member
 

Joined: Thu Oct 27th, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 1120
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I have spoken with some friends who are seriously in denial of this Covid 19. They keep commenting that it is only as bad as the flu. I am tired of trying to explain to them that it is different. Masks help when going in public, but staying at home is the best solution (if you can).

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
There is no concensus of opinion on what to do because it affects our individual lives so drastically, so differently.

I can afford to isolate. Lucky me.

Others can't, they still have to produce daily, and me telling them to isolate does not solve their problem.

I have no right to preach to the less fortunate or fear full on their life and death decisions.

Last edited on Fri Jun 5th, 2020 06:23 pm by Bullshipper

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
most of the people reading this forum are over 60 years old, many are already retired, some with health issues that are being dealt with!
 i totally understand people need to work! 
personally i am isolating and mitigating as prescribed by the worlds best experts! 
i am also doing my part to help people i know, giving them work in a safe environment for them and myself! they can use the money and i need the maintenance done! everyone is a happy camper!

Attached Image (viewed 676 times):

20200605_082921.jpg

Last edited on Fri Jun 5th, 2020 06:51 pm by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
frankiej wrote: last weekend was the 3 day  memorial holiday, people where encouraged to go to church on Sunday, and there are videos from coast to coast of the partying that was had!' this week we had people demonstrating in Minneapolis and demonstrations are now happening in almost every major city! 
it doesn't take a genius to predict a major over run of the hospitals in the next few weeks!


the magnitude of this pandemic IS in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's starting to happen!
azcentral.com and The Arizona Republic: Phoenix and Arizona local news, sports and entertainment


Tucson.com | Breaking News | Arizona Daily Star


there are some people who didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday!
AP-NORC poll: Many in US won't return to gym or dining out - AOL News

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Andy Slavitt, a former head of health care for the Obama administration, tweeted that hospitalization rates are rising in Arizona, Arkansas and Utah, in the case of Arizona by as much as 240% in the last two weeks. Arkansas hospitalizations are up 180% in the last 28 days, he wrote, and Utah has seen a 36% increase in the last seven days.

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
And, three days ago Arizona Department of Health Services admitted they had overcounted the cases by a considerable amount. Sorry, I don't believe anything anymore.

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-increase-detected-us-093045353.html

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-calls-emergency-plan-covid-010249888.html

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Wear masks. Socially distance. Use common sense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/09/coronavirus-hospitalizations-rising/

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
it's just a matter of time, that every reader on this forum will know or hear of someone close who was/is infected and has passed because of this virus! 80% will survive with little or no problems, 15% will become seriously ill, 5% will perish!


in the next weeks and months ALL will be believers of the reality of convid-19!!


we are living a social experiment that few have the discipline to adhere to the advice of the world experts! 


just as another social experiment,"SCARED STRAIGHT", it will take an undeniable FEAR to ACCEPT it!!!!!!


Number of COVID-19 going up in Arizona with increased hospitalization


Arizona hospitals have been told to 'fully activate' emergency plans

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Good Grief Frank -- 

Last edited on Wed Jun 10th, 2020 10:00 pm by Jimmy

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
More of the same unbelievable news.

https://news.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrUjdNeXeFevBUAQxIPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTEybTk3NGNqBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDQzAwOTVfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=Experts%3A+Arizona%27s+COVID-19+spread+%27alarming%27+usa+today&fr=yhs-omr-001&fr2=cosmos&hspart=omr&hsimp=yhs-001

Last edited on Wed Jun 10th, 2020 10:25 pm by Bullshipper

will rogers
Member
 

Joined: Mon Oct 31st, 2005
Location:  
Posts: 386
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
The sky is falling!

390pony
Member
 

Joined: Thu Jul 17th, 2014
Location: Tucson, Arizona USA
Posts: 567
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Lots of Henny Pennys.

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Philosophical quotes from over the years applicable to this thread; 


*facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
Aldous Huxley


*confidence is ignorance if you're feeling cocky, it's because there's something you don't know.
Eoin Coifer


* nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King Jr.


* living is easy with eyes closed. 
John Lennon


*our wretched species is so made that those who walk on a well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
 Voltaire

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
What ever happened to the 2 to 4 MILLION Americans are going to Die???? Is that still a Valid prediction??? Was that prediction a Fact?




Last edited on Thu Jun 11th, 2020 10:52 pm by Jimmy

Benito_Villa
Member
 

Joined: Mon Sep 9th, 2019
Location:  
Posts: 46
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy. I will explain this to you again. Nobody ever said 2 million people WERE GOING TO DIE. The quote everybody (including Trump) said was 2 million "COULD DIE if nothing was done. Things were done and it never happened. The current belief is another additional 100,000 might (MIGHT not WILL) die due to all of the relaxing of the quarantine protocols in certain states. Arizona is currently reporting their biggest numbers of Covid being reported daily. 115,000 deaths in the US alone. Jimmy, do you still think this is "the flu" like you declared here forever?

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote:There is No vaccine for Panic.....And, we still can't cure STUPID...But a nurse told me that STUPID can be sedated
Where it comes to having necessary supplies on hand----For sometime now I have been actively accumulating Long Term Storage of Living Necessities so I can get by a year or more...Just in case SHTF....
All is well As I continue my Self Imposed Quarantine 


jimmy, you prepared and are part of the success! you might consider talking to your nurse friend again!

Last edited on Fri Jun 12th, 2020 12:36 am by frankiej

frankiej
Member


Joined: Sun Jul 6th, 2014
Location: San Carlos, Mexico
Posts: 1179
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
there are success stories in western democracies, we can learn from!


New Zealand has ‘effectively eliminated’ coronavirus. Here’s what they did right.

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 

Bullshipper --- If you would edit your long post and break it down to fit into your work window we would not have to scroll across the page



Yearly there are 30,000 to 60,000 Flu deaths in the US....How many reported as Flu deaths have there been in the  US this year? Maybe the regular Flu deaths have been rolled into the Covid count? [Who would do a thing like that --- Why would they do a thing like that?] [Would a secret agenda be served by having a High Covid body count?]


These are the Corporations who Tell You Your Truth --- 


Now, only six conglomerates control most of the broadcast media in the United States: CBS Corporation, Comcast, Time Warner, 21st Century Fox (formerly News Corporation), Viacom, and The Walt Disney Company.
[size=
]

[size=They work together --- They have an Agenda ]


When all of the mass media is controlled by so few certain players it is Easy for them to control --- Herd Mentality  
 

Herd mentality (also known as mob mentality) describes a behavior in which people act the same way or adopt similar behaviors as the people around them — often ignoring their own feelings in the process. Think of a sheep blindly following the flock no matter where they go just because that's what the herd is doing.

Last edited on Fri Jun 12th, 2020 12:58 am by Jimmy

Jimmy
Member


Joined: Fri Jan 20th, 2006
Location: Safford AZ
Posts: 1537
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Bullshipper wrote: Like this---------------


https://news.search.yahoo.com/search;
_ylt=AwrUjdNeXeFevBUAQxIPxQt.;_
ylu=X3oDMTEybTk3NGNqBGNvbG8DZ3Ex
BHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDQz
AwOTVfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=
Experts%3A+Arizona%27s+COVID-19+spread+%27alarming%
27+usa+today&fr=yhs-omr-
001&fr2=cosmos&hspart=omr&hsimp=yhs-001

Last edited on Fri Jun 12th, 2020 01:01 am by Jimmy

TrueBlue
Member
 

Joined: Tue Oct 7th, 2014
Location:  
Posts: 247
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
We never really finished the first wave. Now the second wave is coming because people and government became complacent. In surfing parlance, people are yelling, "OUTSIDE!", because they see that the coming wave is big.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-11/houston-may-reopen-virus-hospital-at-stadium-as-cases-expand

Bullshipper
Member
 

Joined: Thu Aug 23rd, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 2705
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Jimmy wrote: Bullshipper wrote: Like this---------------


https://news.search.yahoo.com/search;
_ylt=