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https://www.radarsonora.com/gestionan-vuelo-guaymas-tucson-para-el-2020/

Given past history with other schemes (other airlines), be wary and careful before purchasing tickets.

Wish I could edit Topic title to add a question mark after "2020"....

For some background, after my initial post, I located some additional relevant links which give some history of this particular airline and flights out of Tucson to Hermosillo.  Service seems to have existed for a short while but then discontinued on an unknown date (see last link below).

From August of 2016 announcing the initiation of flights between Tuscon and Hermosillo: https://news.azpm.org/s/41262-tucson-to-hermosillo-commercial-flights-to-return  There are other links at the bottom of the page with additional relevant articles.

It should be noted that Aeromar's website does not currently show any routes flying into Tuscon.  https://www.aeromar.mx/en/destinos

And then I found this relevant link from this board from about January 2017 which seems to indicate service, did, in fact, exist for a couple of months between Tucson and Hermosillo but was then discontinued: https://forum.sancarlosmexico.com/forum1/15562.html

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Something wrong with that second link, for me.

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Hook wrote: Something wrong with that second link, for me.Should be fixed.  Something about having a "/" at the end screwed up the link.  Thanks for the heads up.

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TrueBlue, I don’t want to rain on your parade, but your second link story is from AUG 2016.  Very old story.


The fourth link information is from Mar 2018, also old information.  Never happened.

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For brevity's sake I didn't want to spell it out with dates. I added the links to give some background on the history of this particular airline and promises of flights to Hermosillo and Guaymas. I will add dates.

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a good friend of mine who has a street named after him here has been working on this project for a few months! there is validity to this post!
as with all ventures here, especially airlines, we can only hope for the best!


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I agree that this sounds a lot more viable.
No company is being created.
Areomar is already a trusted low cost carrier
Guadalajara, Mazatlan and Guaymas combine for a larger client base than just Guaymas if you also count Ciulliacan which is close to Mazatlan, and the folks from Hermosillo and Obergon that can also park cheap in Guaymas that is also close to both.
So I imagine the only hang up would be if Tucson does not allow Areomar to establish a gate and Ticket area in its airport. I am not sure they have a pre existing facitlity there already like they do in GDL?

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frankie wrote: a good friend of mine who has a street named after him here has been working on this project for a few months! there is validity to this post!
as with all ventures here, especially airlines, we can only hope for the best!




The senator?

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Bullshipper wrote: I agree that this sounds a lot more viable.
No company is being created.
Areomar is already a trusted low cost carrier
Guadalajara, Mazatlan and Guaymas combine for a larger client base than just Guaymas if you also count Ciulliacan which is close to Mazatlan, and the folks from Hermosillo and Obergon that can also park cheap in Guaymas that is also close to both.
So I imagine the only hang up would be if Tucson does not allow Areomar to establish a gate and Ticket area in its airport. I am not sure they have a pre existing facitlity there already like they do in GDL?


The cost of the ticket could still be a hangup. In the last vestiges of flights into Guaymas, they were pretty expensive. Like 4-5 times the cost of a bus ticket. That was a big disincentive for many people. 



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Price is absolutely a critical component of the success or failure of flights into Guaymas.

I used to fly from California into Phoenix, then Phoenix to Guaymas.  It was a bit pricey, but tolerable.  Those America West turboprop flights were initially almost always around 80-100% full.  Prices started going up as flight loads went down, eventually the prices were at the top of what I was willing to pay (about $800).  Then flight cancellations became common, and they eventually dropped the flight completely.

So with no flights going into Guaymas, there were a couple of choices of direct flights from LAX to Hermosillo.  Again, at first pretty affordable, even cheap.  Full size jet, usually pretty full, always had Mexican celebrities on board (judging from selfie and autograph requests at Hermosillo gate), prices weren't too bad initially.  One of the two airlines stopped, then prices started up fairly quickly on the remaining Aeromexico flight  Again, flight loads went down as the prices went up, and I was paying around $500-$600 for the flights, and getting to and dealing with LAX is no picnic.  Then Aeromexico cancelled and there was no way to fly direct from southern California to Hermosillo, and the layovers on the other options were expensive and long.

That left us with the train to San Diego (I highly recommend the Surfliner first class, a nice relaxing ride with a great view next to the ocean), a friend driving us to the Cross Border Xpress, then flying direct from Tijuana to Hermosillo with a taxi the rest of the way to Guaymas.  Flight was/is cheap.  Used to have two airline choices (Interjet and Volaris), but now just Volaris, and the legroom for a big gringo on Volaris is HORRIBLE.  But the flight is cheap and convenient, and the lack of legroom is bearable for the short flight.  Tijuana airport was already fine for what it was, but last time I flew it was undergoing heavy modernization and upgrades into a first world airport.  But you are dealing with trains, planes and automobiles (actually train, automobile, walking across bridge, plane, taxi).  Time consuming, but the low cost, variety of scenery and lack of waiting around during a layover made it worth it.

I'm horribly babbling on about this, but bottom line is that flights directly into Guaymas make things immeasurably easier, would be great for the town and would increase the frequency of visits by vacation homeowners and other visitors.  I hope it happens, but success is highly dependent on price.

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Fingers crossed! This will be terrific for SC!

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As long as the gringo can be persuaded to invest his or her dollar in this "OLD" scam concept. Twice and probably more times than I'm aware of.
 MANY HAVE LOST lots of MONEY IN PAST PROMISES!


On a side note:  I also agree that the biggest defenders are the Gringo's that have alot of skin in the game. There is absolutely no comparison when your talking NOB to Mex. That's simply absurd. ( rolling my eyes ) 


Would a reasonable flight be a great concept and convenience Absolutely! Years ago I flew from Phoenix right into Guaymas on Fridays. It was so reasonable. Loved it!  THOSE DAYS ARE GONE FOREVER! 

It's not going to happen and I hope you don't invest a red cent in this hogwash of any flight coming this way or into Guaymas. You can still fly into TJ and head whatever direction from there...


Heck, there are many that are still fighting to recover the losses incurred from the last scam. 


It has been stated many times that the dynamics of SC / and worse yet Guaymas have changed dramatically. SC is not a huge tourist destination to support this kind of investment.....  Look at what is going on now. Water issues, garbage issues, crime, kidnappings etc?    Just my opinion

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dolphin007 wrote;
The airlines would it be a great concept and convenience Absolutely!

just don't invest! don't be first inline to buy tickets!
patience is a virtue!!
wait an see, if it is indeed viable, make your reservations! 

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