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Saw This Last weekend , any one know what it means ?

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You should go talk to Jon and Judy Harris at their restaurant, SHOTS! to get the story directly from them about why and who is behind this smear campaign of lies intended to ruin their business.


It may be a mistake to start a conversation on this topic on a public forum, when everything here will be second hand and/or inaccurate speculation.


Jon and Judy can tell you what is going on.

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This is a pretty serious accusation.  One that we have known about for some time.  So if anyone does talk to the subjects of this, please let us know.

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It means what it says - J&J have not paid the rent for the restaurant. Go ask the Mar Ter condo assoc what it means to them.

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Nice guy, have heard that, what is their side of the issue??

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The owner of the building is asking for a boycott at Shots.

In Mexico, you can easily lose your property to squatters if your contract expires and they stop paying rent. Its usually argued that the the owner verbally agreed to give away the property, or not charge rent, and when rent is not paid, sets a precedence of acceptance. When in doubt posession is 9/10th of the law here, like many places.

Publishing their discontent obviously takes a stand, makes it publicaly known, and could be a way to solicit collaborating witnesses.

I do not know who is the shyster in this dispute. I am merely warning people about loaning out out their property, or accepting a lack of payment. It took me 4 years to remove a deadbeat, and another employee actually took over another small property one of my companies owned.

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Jon and Judy have always paid their legitimate RENT.
What they refuse to pay are the BOGUS, not-in-the-contract additional fees and charges that have been added to the rent.


Please don’t participate in ruining a business when you don’t know what is really going on.


  Ask Jon and Judy about these false charges.  They have won one lawsuit against these parties who are harassing them.  The current campaign is just a continuation of the unfounded lies those parties keep dreaming up.

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Hmmm... This doesn't make sense. Two different property owners rented their spaces to J&J.
They both now claim rent has not been paid for a lengthy time in either place. Wouldn't J&J have payment receipts to show they paid?

Marigot says J&J have paid their rent. Just not the bogus fees. So wouldn't the sign say that instead? "J&J haven't paid their fines and fees."? J&J could easily produce the bill for these fines and fees if one were issued to them.

I would think, as a property owner, that if your tenant paid rent, that is the agreement on both sides and everyone would be happy. Why go to such extremes to say differently if they were really being paid? What is the point of that?

Are the charges really false? Is it really unfounded lies? Landlords that are being paid would dream up lies to command a campaign?? To what end?

It doesn't make sense.

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make any sense??? nothing in San Carlos Nuevo Guaymas, Sonora, does!

welcome to the municipality of Guaymas Sonora.
 were everyone "LAWYERS UP" with attorneys who get their degrees out of cracker jack boxes! 
where litigation takes years as it travels the three tiers of the judicial court system!
if you have the intestinal fortitude for this, patience is a virtue!

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Could not agree more Frankie. If there is one place on earth, that you need to be attentive and follow the CORRECT procedure in any business related subject...It is Mexico.

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And sometimes, the people you do business with are the problem. Crooks come from all over and the nastiest ones "deny, denigrate, and dig in". That's what's happening here. Look who is IN both these properties....

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POST #11 since it is you who are denigrating please share with us what you know!
i think that would be fair since you have made innuendo!

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Sad, Sad, Sad!!! Everyone knows what they are getting themselves into when investing in anything in Mexico. And if not???? As the old saying goes, never invest what you cant afford to lose.

I'm not making a comment one way or the other about shots! None of my business. This is happening all around San Carlos. It has been for years. Just worse now.
Unless you Know someone with enough power. "That is the Keyword"! Otherwise your scr**$$.... The Multi-tiered judicial system rarely works in your favor. You will spend thousands and thousands waiting for your day in court. Depending on who your issues are with, YOU WILL NEVER WIN! Frankies right. EVERYONE IS A bar stool LAWYER and has all the right answers you want to "hear".. I hope all works out for J an J. Someone Riding around with a sign like that! "PLEASE!" Your Certainly not in Kansas anymore toetoe. So sad but true. Still, I will continue to come. Love San Carlos. I just won't own any longer.

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dolphin007 wrote: As the old saying goes, never invest what you cant afford to lose.

Unless you Know someone with enough power. "That is the Keyword"! Otherwise your scr**$$.... The Multi-tiered judicial system rarely works in your favor. You will spend thousands and thousands waiting for your day in court. Depending on who your issues are with, YOU WILL NEVER WIN! 
i don't totally agree with these statements!
personally i have bought and sold many properties here in San Carlos, and have been successful 99% of the time! it's the 1% we all hear about, the one you need to bring in a lawyer for!
i have gone through an abnormal share of attorney's here! very few are specialists in anything! it is difficult finding one, especially if your Spanish is limited and even when it is good! the majority are "ambulance chaser" types! comment from experience!
if you are lucky enough to find a good one, YOU CAN WIN!!
you only have to be tenacious and steadfast in your belief, and have the diligence and endurance to survive the time consuming litigation!


this particular problem and most real estate  problems are multifaceted!
* it starts with the agent you use for purchase. NO REAL EDUCATIONAL or FORMAL LICENCING requirements. 
* no errors and omission insurance.
* the use of a Notario as opposed to a title company
* no title insurance!
* a planning and zoning department with enforcement capabilities!

had this problem occurred NOB, there would have been at least 2 sources for recovery of damages and solution! the agents error and omission insurance, the title insurance policy!
but we are not NOB, we are here! 

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Frank, sorry, but I understood this to be a lease or rent, not owned real estate. Please clarify as your comments and those of d007 don't seem applicable here.

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Frank, sorry, but I understood this to be a lease or rent, not owned real estate. Please clarify as your comments and those of d007 don't seem applicable here.

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my comment was to address the same ole, same ole talking point, "never invest unless you can afford to lose"
myself and many, many others have had successful real estate dealings here! i will be first to attest, as i noted there is a small percentage of "bad deals"!!


i made my points, that it is a multifaceted problem, where some of the problems lay!
being here 18 years building and developing, i have run into ALMOST everything!

i have edited this post!
the restaurant / bar, through purchase, lease, rent or sublease are real estate transactions!
the points i addressed are valid in the purchase of a home. land or a business transaction!


until a purchase, lease, rent, sublease agreement can be provided or a combination of the mentioned, any comments are just speculation!



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How about running into reality. This is not the digging in front of CClub. This is the unpaid rent of the Mar Tierra slot that Shots is occupying. Close but different issues !!

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Just how deep has that sand gotten down there.:shock: I apologize for posting in the wrong topic area Bart. I rest my case.  No More posts from me.

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If they are resulting to using billboards, it sounds like the legal battles have been won by the tenets. I am guessing that they leased from the owner, and the owner is not paying the monthly fees.So now they are going after the tenets. Just a guess though.

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That would be my guess, too.

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Both owners filed suit. One is still in progress. It doesn't change the claim by the owners that the occupants are living and working using someone else's property without payments. No monetary compensation at all. Like, "You want me to move because I haven't paid you? Make me. In the meantime, I won't pay at all"
The billboard is showing the frustration that these squatters can just stay on another person's property for free.

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And to be clear: there is no sublet. There are two owners: one person owns the commercial units, one person owns the residential condo. Both claim the same thing: the people mentioned in the billboard have paid nothing to the owners for quite some time.

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It took a good lawyer and five years (and a lot of money) to remove a mexican family that decided to no longer pay rent,. It can be done.

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I feel bad for the condo owner, Bill. He has been trying to get his condo back for a few years now.  

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Does this same situation apply if you rent your house to Mexican nationals or foreigners here?

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If you have a contract, they get 3 months of not paying rent before a court will hear the case.
If you win, they can appeal usually 2 more times.
If you win the appeals, they can usually get at least 2 more stays (judge reviewal) against an evict orders, and if they lose those, the loser usually has to pay a bond to get it reviewed (an amparo) again.
If you loan, let someone house sit, or do not try to collect some rent on a verbal deal, its gets more complicated and doubtful.
Then if you win all bets, you still have to usually do a forceful eviction where you pay your workers to carry their belongings out to a truck under the cops supervision,
Then you try to collect, and that usually goes no where for lack of funds.
Foreigners can leave the country adding another barrier.

States in the US have different laws too, some owner friendly and others that side with the tenets.

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 I just saw this two days ago in my neighborhood.  I was wondering about this myself.  Sounds like a crappy situation for the owners. 

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The part I didn't like the most, was that after my client won, they still had to pay a truck, and workers to move the people out. And the place was left very trashed, and damaged........no recourse really. In Mexico, once a person is moved in, very difficult, time consuming and costly to move them out. If it is an American, then you have better recourse, but not much.

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Bullshipper has it right. When the squatters use legal tactics to stall and appeal every step of the litigation, it can take years. What is SO annoying in these two cases is that the squatters DENY they are squatting, they insist they are paying rent, payments, whatever. No owner would initiate such a long drawn out process if the renters were actually renting and paying like they should be. It would be refreshing if the squatters just said the truth, "I am ripping people off by staying here for free and I don't care"

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i am not a frequent patron of shots! so i have no prejudice opinion!
there is always 2 sides to any story. lots of speculation and little if any facts!
if my memory serves me, there was an existing restaurant / bar before shots!
* shots subleased the building!
* shots rented the adjoining commercial condo
* they opened the wall, so it could be one continuous business!
* those would initiate 2 separate rent / lease agreements.
* my understanding is one is a sublease.
* both units are required to pay an HOA fees.
* HOA fees are adjusted in time, to reflect the current expenditures!
* HOA's also have "extraordinary fees" 
* the owner is obligated to pay the HOA fees and any annual extraordinary fees.
* it is possible that the rents are being paid, but the rents have not been properly adjusted to reflect current expenditures!
* how are the units owned? 
* if one or both have a fideicomoso in order to legally rent, the owner is required to obtain a "EXPLOTATION LUCRATIVO"  from the secretariat of foreign affairs, "SRE"!
* taxes would have had to be paid from the rents.


all these factors could contribute to what we a hearing as rents not paid!

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* shots subleased the building! NO, they signed a purchase agreement for both units
* shots rented the adjoining commercial condo NO, see above 
* they opened the wall, so it could be one continuous business! YES
* those would initiate 2 separate rent / lease agreements. NO, see above
* my understanding is one is a sublease. NO
* both units are required to pay an HOA fees. YES
* HOA fees are adjusted in time, to reflect the current expenditures! YES
* HOA's also have "extraordinary fees" YES, they are being billed to the OWNER
* the owner is obligated to pay the HOA fees and any annual extraordinary fees. YES
* it is possible that the rents are being paid, but the rents have not been properly adjusted to reflect current expenditures! NO, the lease payments are NOT being paid
* how are the units owned? Trato directo, straight title
* if one or both have a fideicomoso in order to legally rent, the owner is required to obtain a "EXPLOTATION LUCRATIVO"  from the secretariat of foreign affairs, "SRE"! Not on a purchase agreement
* taxes would have had to be paid from the rents. Not applicable

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Wynner, in your point by point refutation to frankie, you seem to be indicating that John signed a purchase agreement.

Yet, the banner on the trailer says they are not paying RENT, as if they are simply renters. Was that simply a bad choice of a word by the person who produced the banner?

Or, are you saying they signed a purchase agreement and they are supposed to be making payments directly to the previous owner?

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Bad wording on that sign. 


There IS a second condo involved as well, a residential condo. That is where the bar owners live. The owner of THAT condo has apparently not been paid RENT for more than two years. The sign maker knew about the Bar situation in general, but not the details.


The purchase agreement payments are not being paid to the owner of the units that house Shots.


Squatters squatting in two places: at work and at home. Makes it easier to make a profit if you don't pay for either place.

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wynner wrote: * shots subleased the building! NO, they signed a purchase agreement for both units
* shots rented the adjoining commercial condo NO, see above 
* they opened the wall, so it could be one continuous business! YES
* those would initiate 2 separate rent / lease agreements. NO, see above
* my understanding is one is a sublease. NO
* both units are required to pay an HOA fees. YES
* HOA fees are adjusted in time, to reflect the current expenditures! YES
* HOA's also have "extraordinary fees" YES, they are being billed to the OWNER
* the owner is obligated to pay the HOA fees and any annual extraordinary fees. YES
* it is possible that the rents are being paid, but the rents have not been properly adjusted to reflect current expenditures! NO, the lease payments are NOT being paid
* how are the units owned? Trato directo, straight title
* if one or both have a fideicomoso in order to legally rent, the owner is required to obtain a "EXPLOTATION LUCRATIVO"  from the secretariat of foreign affairs, "SRE"! Not on a purchase agreement
* taxes would have had to be paid from the rents. Not applicable
whiner, excuse me wynner, who are you??????
your posts #8, # 22, # 23, are contrary to your correction to my post!
in this post you also are contrary to yourself, you say they purchased then you say ""the lease payments are NOT being paid""???
* a purchase contract, does not guarantee or imply "TITLED OWNERSHIP"!!!!
* Trato directo, by definition, means the property was sold directly from the seller to the buyer!
* Trato directo or through a real estate agent would REQUIRES a NOTARIO to make the transfer of title!
* " EXPLOTATION LUCRATIVO" i was responding figuratively to your post #23, "quote; one person owns the 2 commercial properties and one owns the residential property! THAT IMPLIES A LEASE OR RENT AGREEMENT! 


my comments are merely to suggest possibilities, as to what may be the problem!


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The purchase agreement payments are not being paid to the owner of the units that house Shots.


you are all over the place!!! 


rent, leaser,now purchase payments?????????


unless you are one of the principle parties, it is obvious you have a personal grievance!

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Frankie,
You are right: I mistyped. It should not read "lease payments", it should have read : "purchase payments are not being paid". Apologies

It is also a little confusing because there are TWO locations: the BAR (which uses two joined condos) and a residential condo (which is being used as a residence).

The BAR location was supposed to be purchased in installments per the purchase agreement. The buyers agreed to make a payment each month to the owner until the agreed upon amount was reached. That did not happen, they stopped making payments.

The property right now is still owned by the owner, as direct title. If the buyers were to ever finish making payments, title would have been transferred to them.

The residential condo is different. The bar people rented a condo to live in and then just stopped paying RENT.

Hope that clears it up, apologies if I wasn't clear

BAR= breach of purchase agreement via failure to pay, still there anyway.

RESIDENCE= breach of rental contract via failure to pay, still there anyway.

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"RUBY'S WINE BAR"!!!! 
that was the name of the fine establishment prior to "shot's"!!


since i must have lapsed into a senior moment, or HOPEFULLY just a brain fart!
 i made some phone calls and received some PM's to refresh my memory! 
now i feel comfortable that i have the skinny from reliable sources!


i can state unequivocally that i support the owners of the the properties in question! 


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Sounds like the same what this people did in Chandler before they moved to San Carlos. 

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The plot thickens

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The letters from the condo and commercial space owners seem present a compelling argument and background of the situation to me. They are not afraid of putting their names and escritura info.

http://jonjudyharris.com/2019/10/22/commercial-comercial-condo-owner/

http://jonjudyharris.com/2019/10/22/open-letter-condo-owner/

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Wow what do you think of that George?  You are known by your friends, I told them to stay away from you..






The George being referred to is George Gleason lives out near La Monga.

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Thank you Flaco , these are pretty clear and unambiguous .



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Very damning.

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There is no plot to thicken. It's clear - premeditated intention to steal from the owners as long as possible.

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That is a kind of nebulas picture Frankie...that guy getting tarred and feathered could be anyone.  Should we guess??

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I appreciate that the moderator Bart has not shut down or interfered with this thread. When this same topic appeared on the other board, it was shut down very quickly.

What is the difference between burglarizing someone's house and not paying rent for two years? Answer: Much more in rent has been stolen than what is normally burglarized from a house. Both are thievery, pure and simple.

I support the property owners 100%.

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emc2 wrote: I appreciate that the moderator Bart has not shut down or interfered with this thread. When this same topic appeared on the other board, it was shut down very quickly.

What is the difference between burglarizing someone's house and not paying rent for two years? Answer: Much more in rent has been stolen than what is normally burglarized from a house. Both are thievery, pure and simple.

I support the property owners 100%.
bart, is an excellent MODERATOR!! i have had PM's from him to tone it down, maybe even got my hand spanked! my posts here have never been edited or altered!
it's the difference of being a moderator/umpire as to being a moderator/player!
as i stated in an earlier post i also support the property owners!!

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Support doesn't restore the owners losses. I don't go to Shots - tried it once - too noisy. So other than not going - how do you de-support and unfund the Shots thieves.

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Easy. If no one goes to Shots, the owners will leave town.

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I for one will not patronize this establishment any longer. We used to go to their annual Thanksgiving dinner. Never again! (wasn't that good to begin with) Used to stop in after boating for a tequila shot...no more.

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MARIGOT wrote: You should go talk to Jon and Judy Harris at their restaurant, SHOTS! to get the story directly from them about why and who is behind this smear campaign of lies intended to ruin their business.


It may be a mistake to start a conversation on this topic on a public forum, when everything here will be second hand and/or inaccurate speculation.


Jon and Judy can tell you what is going on.




Why don't you ask them to defend themselves and their business on this forum. I would like to hear both sides.

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Given that the libel laws in Mexico are pretty severe , that two independent parties have published their letters / statements with checkable facts I would be inclined to give them credibility.


The sad thing  , apart from the victims , is the good people in town who will believe criminals like this and think they are being persecuted . ( and I bet there are a lot ) 


Ironically I am now in Spain , and I can see how the Mexican laws wound up the way they have - here if some low life breaks in and stays in your property - you the owner can be the one homeless for a long time. Equally if you rent and they stop paying - good luck , it is a night mare to regain possession. 


Serial abusers like this do not have the moral compass normal people do , very sad for the property owners suffering all this.


It is also sad that the information has been so contained amongst the foreign born community , thankfully this forum is constructively run ( although some posters must try the moderators patience at times ! ) and may help disseminate the facts.


:)



All power to the billboard ! 

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I usually stay neutral on issues like this, but I cannot in this case.  I don't know the condo owner but have known Susan for many years and consider her a friend as well as a former client.  Her reputation is above reproach in my book.


While I can do nothing to influence the outcome of the legal issues involved, I can take an action that is within my capability and have done so.  


The two free ads this business enjoyed on http://www.sancarlosmexico.com are now history.


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I am pleased to have shared the links provided by Flaco along with my commentary to my public  Facebook page , in the hopes that local friends will widen the knowledge sharing.


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One way to pressure is to go criminal and I believe that there may be a case for elder abuse with the threats alegedly made by the younger man, as well as loss of income,hardship and worry for elderly retired owners.
It does not matter that the owners are Americans as the law is the law, and all it takes are a couple of witnesses willing to testify that they have heard the threats to substantiate a case. If the civil case has been judged in their favor, that adds evidence for the loss of income and a few tears in front of the magistrate never hurt to demonstarte worry.
Remember, here the accussed in Mexico must prove his innocence, not the other way around as is the custom in the states.
I would also looking to their working status to see if they have working papers, are up to date on their tax payments, social security payments, etc.
And if the condo association is owed dues, I believe they may have the right post notices in front of the establishment on association common area, instead of just on the road.

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Not sure I totally agree with this statement from Bullshipper


"In Mexico, you can easily lose your property to squatters if your contract expires and they stop paying rent. Its usually argued that the the owner verbally agreed to give away the property, or not charge rent, and when rent is not paid, sets a precedence of acceptance. When in doubt posession is 9/10th of the law here, like many places."



This is an American who is refusing to pay his bills, same thing happened when Jim ran Marina Cantina into the ground and Rick finally took him out. It wasn't easy to get rid of the crappy managers, and yes I understand that Shot's was a contract to purchase the building that has not been full filled,  but Rick was never in danger of really loosing the building. It cost him a bundle to get them out though.



I know the owners of the building, have known them for over a decade, they are on the level, the history of Jon speaks for itself. If the dude paid his bills we would be hearing nothing of this.



It would be a non issue.



The corrupt Judicial system is what makes life difficult here. AMLO is not addressing any of it, the 4th transformation has not even begun....

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post #" 59 and 60 offer valid yet arguable points of view! from the previous posts it appears evident litigation is on going! time is sometimes very unfriendly, especially when obvious illegal actions are occurring! 
sometimes drastic matters must be taken, always conscious of the legality of the actions!


how many times have scoundrels abused this community? all the victims litigate, vent on the different forums,ect;!


* this incident
* paradise airlines
* the country club condos
* the hotel fiasco
* captain's club "ZONA VERDE"
* the condo's by the old fiesta hotel
* home and land purchases, NEVER TITLED 
* ECT; , ECT; , ECT;


THE STRENGTH AND BONDING OF A UNITED COMMUNITY IS THE ONLY PRACTICAL DEFENSE!
the term "PERSONA NON GRATA" applies here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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After some 30 years plus that we have been here in SC, I am really proud to see what is happening here...this is a fight of good versus evil. All who have had the courage of their convictions to post in support of the owners who are attempting to obtain their properties back. This forum has served as a wonderful source of information that has been disseminated in a respectful and honest way. There have been no cheap shots, just a systematic trail of evidence, no one being forced to accept or reject it. This sites appears to have the wisest and most well founded San Carlos readers and posters as participants, and for that we should all be thankful. We are also monitored with one who has the abilities perceptively to know when to monitor and on rare occasion invest himself into the discussion. Many of us have no real dog in this fight, but I am thankful to know that if I were the dog in this fight, and my fight was righteous this wonderful community and forum would rally, as it has here. Thanks to all.

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I agree. Also interesting to note that the moderator of the other board is condemning this discussion and has placed a warning over there not to make personal comments on business dealings.

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There is no moderator on the other board. There is a self appointed dictator - as shown in this quote "As to whose discretion ??? Mine. "

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There are many good ideas listed before as how to effectively, and legally, force a squatting party off a property.

There is the long and painful way through Mexican courts, which is in progress.

Luckily, in this situation there have been other legal infractions committed by the bar owners that will expedite the process.

I am sure this public support for this particular situation is appreciated. A positive outcome is inevitable, and more so if the support speeds the conclusion.

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Catch-22 wrote: Saw This Last weekend , any one know what it means ?these words and the picture, started this tread and the topic IMHO morphed into what it is, because of it's ambiguity!


BART, many frequent other forums, similar to changing channels on the TV! many of the last posts shed a favorable light on this forum and your admirable ability to maintain control in a NON SELF SERVING WAY!
just as this injustice is given it's light to revel the DARK, many felt compelled to express their gratitude, compared to the other option!
the comments speak volumes to your character!



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Thanx but this is not about me or more specifically another moderator. That is what I was referring to keep this on track. Stick to the knitting here please. Thanx
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While I appreciate all the nice comments again this thread is not about board moderators. So lets get back on track and speak to the issue at hand.
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Hello San Carlos,


I want to thank you all for the support Mr. Bill Dill and I have received on this forum.


When a personal affair becomes public, especially on the internet, there is always a chance of misinformation and defamation. Indeed, this is a legal issue, but also personal due to the  misinformation supplied by the other party involved.


I was initially reluctant to participate in this thread, but a diverse group of people brought the topic to light. They are determined to set things right.


Anyone who knows me, knows that I would never want this attention or problem. I love San Carlos, the people, the community. 


I am grateful for the support and the understanding. Sooner or later this will be a back page on "Bart's Board", and Mr. William Dill and I will have possession of our properties again. And I will always appreciate the faith of my word from the people in San Carlos.


Susan Sarnoski 



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I was a tenant in Susan's space for a couple of years before she entered into that Lease/Purchase agreement. In my experience she is an honest, caring and smart person and I regret what she is going through. We moved to the space next door when Shots took over and we quietly do the work of the SBPA at our Book Shoppe Altered Tails. I wish her a satisfactory completion of this obviously painful to watch experience.

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After posting to my Facebook page , it has been encouraging to receive feedback from some friends in San Carlos.


The most important being - many of them were unaware OR thought Shots the business had some issue with the HOA.  The facts of the issue were completely unknown to them.


This is a problem , because the town will keep patronizing these criminals through lack of knowledge 


I hope the billboard is made clearer 


And I hope that all good people connected with San Carlos will share the information - it is simple and should not be clouded in innuendo - the simple fact is John and Judy Harris are stealing from two decent people by not paying either the agreed purchase contract or the rent for the condo. 


This has nothing to do with trashing a business , it has everything to do with decency and the character of this town , the majority of whom are good &  kind people. 


For practical steps avoiding patronizing the establishment certainly will help - but candidly if the facts are not shared with the community at large then you will still have good people using the place for fund raisers , markets etc. 


These two low life's are very good at convincing good people that they are hard done by - not so , the fact they have managed to delay the court proceedings by one way or another will not prevent justice eventually being done.


For my part , I intend to email every single person I know connected to San Carlos and share with them the knowledge , I will do the same for every email I have for fishermen who visit or any other contact that I know who might stumble in there , unknowing who they are supporting.  The rest of you  could do the same - remember the libel law , it is not libel if it is fact - and that fact is they have not paid rent on the condo for 2 years ! (I am not sure how long the purchase has been unpaid)


Good luck to Susan and Bill.


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This discussion is going no where, does not state facts, I am a client of Shots and I could care less how they operate their business, I like sitting in the comfortable chairs eating and drinking outside, watching the boats and people, I don't go there for the owners like or dislike.

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And it is also true that the facts will not matter to some people.


It's a free world , enjoy while you can.


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Ian948 wrote: And it is also true that the facts will not matter to some people.
your correct, here is a photo of them!

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I think that the facts have been stated quite clearly. I will not go to shots, and neither will any of my friends, Yes, I did enjoy the view, but principal is very important to me, and this situation is not acceptable on any level. Stealing is stealing, no other way to word it.

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I know... How about if we all go in there and order a round of shots and claim that the tequila is in our bellies and possession is 9/10ths of the law, and walk out. LOL just kidding

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let me know when, hahahaha!

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I believe the traveling billboard refers to the condo at MarinaTerra that they reside in not the Shots location, the owner of the condo claims they rented it, after a few months stopped paying rent, owner took them to court, court ruled they had squatters rights and could stay, have lived there for over 2 years rent free and most likely will continue to do so, not fair to the owner.

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I completely agree with LTR (post 78). This is stealing.

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Any updates, on this situation??

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In the residential condo,  yes, but there was a lot of unusual activity and questionable behavior. Waiting for the update.

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It appears they have moved out of the condo.  More lawsuits have been filed.  

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Great news, I knew the occupants had left saying "we aren't moving out, just taking a few things". Futher complicating things for the owner. So maybe the Board and the exposure helped to finally nudge them to relocate.

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THIS is the type of people Jon and Judy Harris are.... they completely moved out of Condo #203 which belongs to Bill Dill.

But, they left their Ring Doorbell on the door so they could watch the place.

After days of knocking with no answer, Bill assumed the condo was vacant. But when he opened the door to check, JON AND JUDY CALLED THE POLICE ON HIM.

This is why they left the Ring Doorbell and why they said they were "just taking personal possessions". They PURPOSELY SET A TRAP for the guy who they had been scamming for the last 2+ years!

Unbelievable!

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My question is why do people still go there to eat and drink. If no one went there they would probably have to close.

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Jon and Judy don't really care about the Americans. He calls them the White Haired F*cks.


 They make their money off the nightclub. That's what brings in all the younger people near and far. They have a cover charge, popular DJs, dancing, and bottle service. That is where a customer gets a VIP area, orders a bottle of Bucanos (that's Buchannons scotch) for $3600 pesos and the customer gets the sparklers on delivery, the mixers, and the attention. It costs the bar about $600 pesos for the bottle from the supplier.


That is why he is digging in. Plus, it's all profit when you don't own the property and have no intention of paying for the use.


This behaviour is not new. The people in San Carlos just get to experience now because he ran away from Phoenix and his mounting civil cases against him. 


No doubt this public exposure has impacted his business but probably not enough to outweigh the money coming in on the weekends.

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If they are not in the condo, its time to change the locks, and install an iron security door over the inner front door and sliding patio door and keep them out until they can get a new tenant in there. I would consider placing an alarm in the apartment to let the police know if anyone goes in without the new code. You will probably want to put a notice on the security door to them stating that all their possessions have been removed, stored, and that they can mail you a check for past due rent within 30 days if they want the items back.

The second problem will be to see if they left large, water bills, telephone, electrical, and to make sure that these companies do not place a lien on the condo for non payment. It might be a good idea to have the CFE remove the electrical meter to disconnect power.

If they called the cops, its now a criminal matter, and the local comissario can get involved. They do not have a leg to stand on.

All of the realtors in town should be verbally notified that they are deadbeats, and if they help rent another place to them that they and the folks they rent for will get stiffed on rent and comissions.

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I like the idea to cancel electric service, easy to do and they will move out fast.  I assume the electric account is in the condos owner name, therefore the service can be cancelled, also be prepared for tenants anger and revenge, they could break and damage everything in the condo before leaving.

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I was doing some searching and came across this link.  I must caution people that I don't know Jon and Judy, never been to Shots, and the only photo of Jon I have to go by is what is on the billboard.  The guy in the link kinda looks like him, and the stories are similar.  But I cannot say with certainty that the person discussed on the following link is Jon.  Perhaps others who have interacted with him can vouch for whether it is him.  If people agree it is not him then I would certainly take the link down.  The comments below the story are also interesting.

https://gossip.thedirty.com/gossip/scottdale-1/dont-get-swindled-by-jon-harris

There are also several civil cases involving Jon Jeffrey Harris and Judy Lina Harris in Maricopa County.  You can search here: http://justicecourts.maricopa.gov/FindACase/casehistory.aspx 
Please note that the criminal case involving a sex crime is NOT the same Jon Harris as the middle name is different.

Yelp reviews of the Speakeasy: https://www.yelp.com/biz/speakeasy-saloon-and-grill-chandler

Blown up photo of self-identified owner of Speakeasy:
https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/buphoto/m8bOqBmL0hsLqaWtzuclNw/o.jpg

Jon Jeffrey Harris Bankruptcy Cases.  First date is date filed, second date is date closed.

HARRIS, JON JEFFREY (db) 2:2008bk04748 JON JEFFREY HARRIS Arizona Bankruptcy Court 04/25/2008 10/22/2009
HARRIS, JON JEFFREY (db) 2:2012bk02908 JON JEFFREY HARRIS Arizona Bankruptcy Court 02/17/2012 08/13/2012
HARRIS, JON JEFFREY (db) 2:2014bk05918 JON JEFFREY HARRIS and JUDY LINA HARRIS Arizona Bankruptcy Court 04/23/2014 02/04/2015

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Good research!

There are actually SIX Bankruptcy cases.. three of which predate the ones you found.

And there are 16 civil cases with Jon Harris (and/or one of his LLCs) as a defendant. Many of these cases were granted a judgement for the plaintiff. Some of the recent ones were dismissed due to "lack of service", meaning Jon and Judy were in Mexico already.

The bankruptcies coincide with large judgments against Jon and Judy.

They stiffed a lot of big companies like mortgage lenders, car loans, medical facilities, banks and department stores. They also did not pay contractors and small businesses for services at Jon's nightclub and bars.

When the debts mounted, Jon would declare bankruptcy, clearing his debt and completely ruining other people and businesses. A couple of those small businesses went under due to the unpaid bills.

So Jon and Judy move to SC and start all over: moving into a condo and stopped paying rent. Opened another business and stiffed the landlord and a few contractors.

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More.  I will add to this post as I find more stuff when I have time.  Be sure to read comments below articles.  Frequently they have much more information than the article itself.

https://www.ahwatukee.com/news/article_5209a05a-726a-11df-88a1-001cc4c03286.html

https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/judge-orders-chandler-nightclub-phase-closed/article_5c43ae36-b486-11df-9ff7-001cc4c03286.html 

Motherlode of civil cases.  Note: Without a middle name it's impossible to say whether all of these are the same Jon Harris, but by looking at the business names, listed middle initial (J) and the cases where Lisa is also listed, it's a safe bet that most of these are him.  What is most interesting is you can see just how much money the plaintiffs were screwed out of.

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearchResults.asp?lastName=harris&FirstName=jon&bName= 

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These links are also on jonjudyharris.com

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Didn't know!  I will only post links that aren't duplicative!

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Well, if you find anything else........

This guy is a big time fraudster. I can't imagine Mexican authorities are excited to have him around. All these issues and lawsuits are happening here now too.

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Shots has one prominent supporter that just posted support for them on Viva - George Gadsby. Shame on you George!


https://www.sancarlosboard.com/post/shots-bar-and-restaurant-10197705?pid=1310021573

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Shots may have one supporter, but it is a stretch to refer to him as prominent, unless one goes so far, as to explain prominent.

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Not so sure it's appropriate to attack George. A good con man can sell ice to Eskimos. I just hope George looks at the verified info in this thread before posting further. I just checked that link....and the post is now blank, so George may have reconsidered whatever he posted there.

Also.....it was posted in the "Ads" section, so clearly it's not just George supporting a local business.  Could have been a contractual obligation.

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John Moore (or Less)


adjective
    Prominent is defined as someone who is known by many people.
https://www.yourdictionary.com/prominent

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John Less's reply to our most prominent carpetbagger,

"Prominent is defined as someone who is known by many people"

But...…..what is he known by many people for?????

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Narcissism.

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kiteboarder wrote: Shots has one prominent supporter that just posted support for them on Viva - George Gadsby. Shame on you George!


https://www.sancarlosboard.com/post/shots-bar-and-restaurant-10197705?pid=1310021573


The post looks like a paid advertisement

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George and shame. What a joke.

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GG's demented narcissistic mind is thriving on all these revealing posts! 
most of us know right from wrong!

fellow posters he is not worth, any concerned comment!

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390 Pony hit the nail on the head! BAM!

I do hope that J and J finally get what they have coming. Whatever that might be.......

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any update on this situation

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The residential condo has been "sublet" by Jon and Judy Harris. They gave permission for a third party to live there. This is also protected by Squatters Rights in Mexico.


When Jon and Judy moved out, they were careful to say that they "were only removing their personal possessions"... this was in preparation to allow a third party to move in, without the owner's consent or knowledge.


That is why, when Bill Dill (the owner) attempted to enter the condo, the new "tenant" called the police. They did not arrest Bill Dill, but told him he would be arrested if he tried entry again.


Jon and Judy Harris are taking their advice from someone who is knowledgeable about Mexican Law. The owner has been approached to "make this situation go away" by paying Jon and Judy $200,000 pesos.

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isn't that EXTORTION????

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Yes, that is extortion. What a piece of work.

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Extortion, yes, but here they will probably say they are trying to settle, before it goes to court, and to expedite the issue...…..BUT, EXTORTION it is!!!!

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Too bad there is not some "Other than Legal" solution to make Bad People go away....

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Jimmy, there is. I'd be willing to donate to the cause.

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With escrituras in hand, go to the water office and cancel your service and take their meter. Tell them your troubles and ask them not to connect again.
Do the same at power company.

Or if your lawyer has has a power of attorney, he can do it for you.

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Bullshipper, the owners of the commercial units and the residential condo are getting services halted legally.


Water shut off is not possible at the residential condo unit because one line feeds multiple condos. However, the owner of the residential unit was able to suspend electrical service by paying the entire outstanding bill first. More money he had to bring out of pocket....


and the "sublet" squatters stayed anyway, using candlelight. They are being PAID by Jon and Judy to occupy that condo because Jon and Judy want to be paid by the owner to "resolve the issue".



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You are probably right, but I would think that this is the way its hooked up.

A common line may exist to feed the meters that go to different meters, but I would think that if the meters for the units are removed then the water and power is cut off to the condo and bar.
Without water, the bar will not have sanitary services or refrigeation for ice and lights during the dark hrs of operatioon and an inspector can close that. I doubt if thay can operate a generator either unless thereis a general power failure to all neighboring units.

To resume service, the escrituras titles must be presented by the owners to the CFE and CEA, and that's where the sqautters have nothing to show except an expired rental contract. If they try to bypass the meters after the owners have halted service, then they are acting criminally and can be charged.

As I said, this may not be the case, but it may be a ploy. Lawyers also want to keep charging, so the owners need to get reliable eyes on these setups to make sure everything is on the up and up.

Has the elder abuse complaint been persued?

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I like the elder abuse angle. First because it is an honest route to go, and secondly it is a complaint that can expedite the concerns.

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Good move, no electricity, means no hot water, no refrigerator, no cook stove, no lights, no TV, no fan and no AC too bad it's not summer, the subleters won't last long.

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LOL, check out the What's Up San Carlos forum on Facebook. They claim they are the ones being wronged because their water has been shut off.

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 It’s actually on the San Carlos Sonora Residents Facebook group.  John has spoken for himself, in complete contrast to what is here. 

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Of course it is in complete contrast with what's posted here. Jon will never publicly admit the truth. He is a scam artist. 
A prior poster gave direct links to Maricopa County court cases. Multiple civil cases against him where he lost, multiple bankruptcies over several years. He has left a path of financial destruction in Arizona. And now he's doing the same thing here. 
He has problems with Mexican Social Security,  labor lawsuits, liquor department, Health Department, the HOA, etc. These things are not happening TO him, they are happening BECAUSE of him 

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It's not anywhere now. I've never gone to that group, guess it just popped up on my feed.

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Link to FB discussion https://www.facebook.com/groups/2352060528370462/permalink/2471263223116858/

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I did find it, it has been edited.

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My sources at Marinaterra condos claim the sublets have departed, the owner is now in control, it has been reported that the restaurant Shots was closed Saturday afternoon the 21st, hope this closure is permanent.

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gg will have to find a new place to coerce comp meals out of..birds of a feather, and there are a lot of local birds there.

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The owner of the condo was able to take back possession from Jon and Judy's "sublet".
Now he has to spend money to repair all the vandalism and replace items that were destroyed. The washer and dryer had the mother boards ripped out.  The kitchen had several cabinet doors missing. The couches were vandalized. They urinated in the bathroom sinks.
Jon declares that "actions against him and his wife are immoral and horrible"..... that guy should look in a mirror. 

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Strange I posted the link to the details on the Facebook page and it disappeared , have posted it again. 


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Well somethings never change , posted on “viva” , moderator advised me my post deleted as “not our business” . How to encourage bad behavior !


Well in fairness George did just pm me to say IF I had personally been wronged he would reconsider the post.


Of course I have not - so it will not appear on that board.


:(

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Were gg to tell me that I would remind him, it is as much our business as his....save for, we pay when we go to that business and he doesn't..all the dirtbags have sided with JandJ.

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"Well in fairness George did just pm me to say IF I had personally been wronged he would reconsider the post."

Ian, So you accept that if gg says it is none of your business, unless you are the victim, you buy into that?? There is no such thing as in "to all fairness to gg", he does not respond in kind.

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As one of the naive who were taken in by the Harris lies, it has been an extremely disappointing, painful process to read and come to believe the history of facts against this couple.
I now appreciate knowing what they have done and hope they are soon gone from here, hopefully to pay for their previous wrongs as well as being forced into restitution for wrongs in SC.
It just goes to show you never know who you are dealing with here in Mexico.  A lot of fugitives from the law in the USA.


Very sad.  I am sorry for the victims.

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What comes round, goes round. George's other friend, the car wash guy, got drunk and drove George's pickup around the desert and did mucho damage. Which George had to fix out of his own pocket. And then his problem became everybody's business as he posted lots of photos and cried about how much it cost him.

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Yes, I certainly remember that. He kept harping on it.

It IS my business, if a business or person is crooked. I want to know so that I will not spend any money with them. I live right across the street from Shot's and used to go there occasionally. Always had kind of a bad vibe from them. No more, I will go to Tequila's or Captain's Club for New Year's, probably both.

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John, no I only wanted to advise that he did at least pm me with his reason and did offer to reconsider if I had been personally damaged. My original comment needed updating to reflect that new information.


George can choose what he wants on his own board , we do not agree on his editorial decisions , and of course I think he is doing SC a disservice by suppressing this type of information.


However , to leave my comment without editing after his pm would , in my opinion , be unethical.


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Thanks Ian I appreciate what you said, and respect you for your convictions. My post was more of a disclosure on my bias against one I deem unworthy of any courtesy.

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John, understood.


I think what amazes me are intelligent people who you give the direct proof from the owners on what has happened , and they go “well there is always two sides ... “ 


It absolutely staggers me that J&J get away with convincing smart folks that they are the ones being persecuted !


More of you in the know folks should post on that Facebook group as well.


Cheers


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Sounds like a sociopath/psychopath 🥴 that need some mental health care

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Simple question. Why are people like J&J not deported back to where they came from after taking advantage of land lords workers, etc. After so many years>

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 US officials can come to Mexico and take people back, depending on the warrants involved and the level of interest from whatever agency has jurisdiction, i.e. FBI, CIA, State Departments, etc.


Apparently, the case to deport someone out of Mexico has to be clear and strong and involve infractions in Mexico. At this point for J&J, that has to be a real concern.

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Interesting that Shots is still closed today.

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390pony wrote: Interesting that Shots is still closed today.

But they are advertising on this forums fishing forum that the next Tournament in Feb will be held at shots, through another fisherman.

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http://forum.sancarlosmexico.com/forum2/17957.html

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What is the status of "Shots"?

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Still closed as of yesterday.

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Looked like nothing is inside of the building. Bone bare. Maybe they left.

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TVs are gone and it appears the contents of the restaurant are all gone.

As they say in French "fait accompli".

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Yet, What's Up San Carlos still runs their ad and says "Temporarily Closed." Seem more like permanently closed.

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Today corrugated steel was screwed onto the front of the location so windows are completely covered.  No telling what that means but no one is going to break a window to get in there.  Also the two outside televisions from the front patio have been removed.  

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Well, looks like they almost got the thief by the shorts and curlies. I was told that the "they" that are doing this are the ex-employees - who apparently didn't get recent weeks of pay, year end bonus or their soc sec paid. Apparently this is in lieu of a proper employee compensation plan. Good for him. I hope his friends know what a sleaze they know.

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Caroline wrote: Today corrugated steel was screwed onto the front of the location so windows are completely covered.  No telling what that means but no one is going to break a window to get in there.  Also the two outside televisions from the front patio have been removed.  



The employees may attempt to put a lien on the property, with interest, until they are paid. The owner should go down to the junta federal de trabajo to see what's up.

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On the other forum tsar gg shut down this same topic of discussion, citing "morbid curiosity" as the reason. I know personally that some of the inquiries were only interested to know if it was closed or open...so they could patronize it. Have also heard the tsar has a more than a friendship interest in the business and now finds himself on the hook along with the other two less than desirable vagabonds..I will admit that is only a rumor, but being "morbidly curious" I will be looking into that. Knowing the character of the 3, stands to reason..

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Bull, "The employees may attempt to put a lien on the property, with interest, until they are paid". You must be kidding, with what is known about the principles it stands to reason there will not be forthcoming monies for disgruntled employees.

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Sure am interested in knowing how that rumor pans out. Wouldn't be a bit surprised.

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johnmoore wrote: Bull, "The employees may attempt to put a lien on the property, with interest, until they are paid". You must be kidding, with what is known about the principles it stands to reason there will not be forthcoming monies for disgruntled employees.



The lawyer for the employees at the Miramar have a 25 year old pending case, and their side lot on the beach is being held as a bond for payment. This means they can't sell it, rent it, build on it, etc.


The lawyer for the owners in this marina needs to make sure that his clients are not dragged into this. For, instance, what right did the employees have in boarding up the property that is owned by someone else?

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I'm wondering about that, too.

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Still not sure of the permanent status of shots, as far as being closed or just temporarily closed. I did speak with friends that had told me of gg involvements with shots and it's owners..Jandj. They have backed off of his financial involvement, but still cite his relationship with the owners as odd and supportive of what they were/are doing.

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Thanks Ian. You always try to be fair. This topic is not the place to rewind up resentments against George. Enough already. Bart has made it clear in the past how he feels about that. I am very glad the situation has been resolved and hope the owner did not have to pay the extortion money.

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"Thanks Ian"?????? What did he say?? Is the place open or not..MaryT?

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hahaahha!!!! i was wondering the same.
i am great full that all concerned where able to voice their opinions here ON THIS FORUM!
dirty deeds should be exposed!
 at the minimum we are all allowed to make up our own minds!!! 

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No sheep on this forum!

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I have been renting the space right next to Shots for the last 6 years. The Shots location is completely empty: no furniture, TVs or other items inside, the outside TVs have been removed and the front is sealed with corrugated iron with no access to the windows or doors. No idea how that all happened.

It seems to me no one should plan on having dinner there for a while. Obviously things can change as issues are worked out but as of 2:00 pm today all is quiet at the old Shots location. We sincerely miss the foot traffic in the Marina and are hoping we get some excitement going down there again. It is the most beautiful site in San Carlos and deserves to be appreciated!

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Get some new owners there and reopen! Like the proximity to my house, but would not patronize Shots after all that came out. I don't like crooks.

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location, location, location, the real estate mantra!
we can only hope that NEW RESPECTABLE AND HONORABLE tenants will be LEGALLY contracted and they bring a successful new venue to that location!

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 Me and hubby were in the area today. There is a new art gallery/designer store newly opened to the left far corner as you look at Shots. The store front immediately to its right is a new brewery with full gourmet food menu going in. They are opening in February, it’s called Marvida.  I can’t wait for them to open! And yes, I hope with the rest of you, that an honest and respectable tenant moves in once the owner works through all the red tape created by the former occupants. 

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I spoke to one of the partners of the new brew pub Marvida.  They are having a soft opening starting January 31st.  Seemed like a good guy, hope they do well.  

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Any sightings??

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Sightings of who?

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.......A Sonoran Yeti??

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LOL, not recently. Still in US.

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Seriously, anything seen in and around Shots, the other board is insisting they have first hand information that this is a temporary closing and will be reopening soon..

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Please cease posting whatever Rumor Intelligence (RUMINT) the "other board" wants to propagate. It is not helpful and frankly no one here cares.

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Shots is closed for ever, I will be writing a short piece on it soon.......

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That should be an interesting read.

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Vince Radice wrote: Shots is closed for ever, I will be writing a short piece on it soon.......


Grabs popcorn! :D

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I got a pizza.

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cleaned my reading glasses, and counting down!

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24,617 views...…….on this subject, is that a record??

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No and it is not close. ;)  Barely on the first page.

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Does anyone happen to have any contact info for any of the ex employees from Shots? Would like to interview someone from his work place......please drop me an email if so, vradice@gmail.com......Thanks in advance....

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Thanks Bart for the reply...

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they don't appear on the latest "what up san carlos" news letter.

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A very substantial federal lawsuit has been filed by Shots owners against the HOA. This was told to me by the principals involved. Shots had a very loyal following of highly placed and influential Mexican folks who loved it. The Norte Americanos really made very little difference to their success or failure. It was the nightlife that carried them through tough times.

That is all I know but the front of Shots location looks so ugly now with wires sticking out here and there and ugly steel panels screwed up covering the entire front.

It is depressing to look at it and all it represented which went from a fun, hopeful restaurant location in the Marina to a sad eyesore for everyone.

My hope is all involved can move on to a better day and we can get another great business in the Marina which is such a beautil location in San Carlos.

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Really, they don't pay rent and then sue the HOA? Sure tells me a lot about them. Hopefully, someone will take over the place and make it better for all.

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Yes, the whole situation could have been a pleasant experience: a cute little bar and restaurant next to the marina. I am sure that in time (and maybe not too much longer), someone else will come in and do just that. Without the drama and economic destruction that the prior owners brought

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Those guys are bad news. Don't pay, then sue for more. Unbelievable.

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I Seriously doubt very much that Jon had any influential Mexicans that would support him. Jon didn't pay his bills and violated pretty much every agreement and contract he signed with all the principal players he was dealing with, his landlord for the condo he lived in, his land lord for the building he was leasing and the HOA that governs all the units, residential and commercial.



I have a few more interviews to do and if anyone has Jon and Judy's number I would love to call them and interview them as well. It has been my experience though in these cases that the perpetrators of B.S. usually decline to be interviewed. According to the American Psychiatric Association around 3% of the general public could be considered a sociopath. Other sites say 1 persons in 100. I can tell everyone that after Interviewing three people I am almost 100% sure that Jon is a sociopath.



And the law suit he filed against the HOA will never be followed through on, it is a frivolous suit that could never be won and it is just his way of saying screw you all. In my opinion he is nothing more than a sociopath bully whose time came to an end in this town not nearly soon enough. Hopefully I finish the article in a week or so.....am busy teaching a sailing course this week so little time to finish the research........



Caroline wrote: A very substantial federal lawsuit has been filed by Shots owners against the HOA. This was told to me by the principals involved. Shots had a very loyal following of highly placed and influential Mexican folks who loved it. The Norte Americanos really made very little difference to their success or failure. It was the nightlife that carried them through tough times. That is all I know but the front of Shots location looks so ugly now with wires sticking out here and there and ugly steel panels screwed up covering the entire front. It is depressing to look at it and all it represented which went from a fun, hopeful restaurant location in the Marina to a sad eyesore for everyone. My hope is all involved can move on to a better day and we can get another great business in the Marina which is such a beautil location in San Carlos.

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Vince I do not have a phone number but had a communication on FB messenger.  I of course have no way to confirm this law suit and all I really care about is for the Shots location to be turned into something good for San Carlos and our beautiful Marina.  It is such an eyesore now with very little hope on the horizon.


If this thing is tied up in a big drawn out Mexican legal lawsuit it probably means it will be years before their old location becomes something positive for San Carlos.


So sad for many, many people!

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The Article if finished and goes out in the SanCarlos TV newsletter this morning along with some other topics such as Oscar Zepeda, the new Topes in town and how our dolphin research is going.

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Link, please?

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http://sancarlos.tv/shots-goes-down-in-flames/

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Thanks!

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Great article !!! Thank you Vince.
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Thanks for the positive comments!! We should all thank Susan, Bill and Fern for getting rid of another jerk in San Carlos!!



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I agree! My late husband and I met him when he first opened Shots. I felt a bad vibe, and my husband, who was a retired psychologist, said he's a sociopath.

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That is how I read him, sociopath all the way!!! Nice to know someone with a real degree thought the same.....

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Well done, Vince. THANX!

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I was hoping to receive a diagnosis by the experts here that is specific to this case. 

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Where are they now?

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Will Rogers, check your reading comprehension. I said "my late husband." Haven't heard from him lately, so can't help you out. I'm an archaeologist, he was the psychologist.

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This thread has been edited to remove the flame war beginning. That's enough on the psychologist discussion. Stick to the issue.

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Anyone know of the culprits whereabouts now??



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