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 Posted: Thu Aug 15th, 2019 01:38 am
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Interesting. If this goes through, and I dont see how it won't, the Guaymas police force will be directly under the military. 


Based on the article, it appears that there is legal justification due to something called the Mando Unico (Single Command). 


https://opinionsonora.com/2019/08/13/proponen-a-comisarios-de-seguridad-para-guaymas-empalme-hermosillo-ciudad-obregon-y-navojoa/

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hook, thanks for posting this i have been trying to copy and post it for days!


a few days back the Governor met with the mayors of Guaymas, Hermosillo, Empalme, Obregon to discuss the security problems we are facing here in Sonora!


i don't recall reading any articles concerning the involvement of the Mexican national guard, which i found curious!

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This was all proposed by AMLO prior to coming in and I believe it is already in effecton a federal level. National Guard has always been under the military control too as far as I know.
So they are now getting around to asking formally for state and city approval in Sonora, basically using old news to create photo ops to quell public frustrations, and it will go through, otherwise federal $ contributions will dry up.

But murders continue to break records ytd. so it will probably eventually go back to choosing one cartel to control cartel violence as its always been done, imo.

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I dont think the National Guard is under direct military control. But I am not certain, either.

AMLO has always been very vocal about not liking the use of the military in all these cartel interdictions or anything related to police work within the country. He has always felt that it was not part of their main duty, i.e., to protect the country from foreign aggression, and he fears that some future president could easily use the military to keep himself in power longer than is allowed by law.

If you remember, the last three Mexican presidents have all floated the idea of disbanding the municipal police forces in all of Mexico. They have proven to be so easily corrupted by the cartels and local gangs. I guess there was never the political will to do it.

Maybe an alternative is to put the munies under direct military control, rather than try and have basic soldiers simply patrolling the streets.

In any event, Mexico is creeping closer to military rule in many aspects of life. The Navy actually performs some ocean conservation tasks like checking commercial catches and even checking recreational licenses, even though there are Federal entities that are supposed to do this. The Army clearly has military checkpoints separate from the municipal, state and Federal police. They have also been stopping the huachicoleros.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, I guess. After a brief lull in murders at end of Calderon's admin and the beginning of Pena Nieto's, Mexico is setting new murder records nearly every month. Even though Mexico still has a healthy tourism economy, all this violence and corruption has to have cost Mexico millions more in potential tourist pesos.

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Military rule?

The President of Mexico is still the commander in chief and the military and police are controlled by him.

The only exception that I can think of that trumps AMLO and all the rest is my wife, at my house.

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When the military performs tasks that Federal entities are supposed to, but are incapable of, that's creeping towards military rule to me.

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The military is taking over municipal functions and that requires approval of the city councils which is what the article says they are doing.

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So the US is under military rule when the kids in our national guard are assisting the border patrol with crowd control?

The Mx military has not had the turn over the the local police have, are better trained, have air gunships, aircraft, vehicles and survellience equipment that our local crossing gaurds that we call police in Guaymas do not, and they can persue criminals all over the republic. When the locals authorize them, then they will not be stepping on anyone's territory without prior authorization within the cities too.

These guys rise through the ranks based on performance, where comissarios are put in place without training or the resources to do the job that will take decades, and not just a 4 year term in office.

Even if this doesn't work, at least they tried.

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Bullshipper wrote: So the US is under military rule when the kids in our national guard are assisting the border patrol with crowd control?

The Mx military has not had the turn over the the local police have, are better trained, have air gunships, aircraft, vehicles and survellience equipment that our local crossing gaurds that we call police in Guaymas do not, and they can persue criminals all over the republic. When the locals authorize them, then they will not be stepping on anyone's territory without prior authorization within the cities too.

These guys rise through the ranks based on performance, where comissarios are put in place without training or the resources to do the job that will take decades, and not just a 4 year term in office.

Even if this doesn't work, at least they tried.


You're assuming I disagree with the change. I dont. Desperate times call for desperate measures. The other Federal agencies charged with doing many of these tasks are failing. What else is left?


The difference I see in the US is that the military gets involved in specific, finite events that SUPPORTS other agencies. Hurricane relief, tornado relief, a border crisis. Then they leave.


What Mexico is doing looks like long-term deployment of military in areas that were traditionally federal, state or municipal duties. We shall see.


I dont know where the new National Guard fits into this picture.

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Hook wrote:

The difference I see in the US is that the military gets involved in specific, finite events that SUPPORTS other agencies. Hurricane relief, tornado relief, a border crisis. Then they leave.


What Mexico is doing looks like long-term deployment of military in areas that were traditionally federal, state or municipal duties. We shall see.


I dont know where the new National Guard fits into this picture.


"military" the USA "army" can not perform law enforcement activities on USA soil! as per the "1878 POSSE COMITATUS ACT"
each state has a "national guard" the Governor is in charge of their states Guard!
this military Guard is what we are familiar with seeing during events that are beyond the means of local first responders! 
i assume and hope that is the intention of the "GUARDIA NATIONAL"!!!

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