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 Posted: Mon Jun 10th, 2019 09:26 pm
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m620c
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Just had lunch at Hammerheads and saw an appx 26' express pull up to the cleaning station.  No name and no charter numbers. One silver outrigger and one black outrigger.  Appeared to have two hispanic looking fishermen and two or three captain/crew.  Unloaded and cleaned 17-20 female dorado all between 6 & 14 pounds, completely full of eggs.  When I asked the guy cleaning why all the small ones, his response was "mucho disponible" (many available).  I know this is not the crux of the issue with our fishery, but it makes me sick to witness such a waste.

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 Posted: Mon Jun 10th, 2019 10:18 pm
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It is sickening, just like the commercial hooka divers that night dive for baby lobster, they don't care. Just they way Mexicans think. The summer is the worse time for this carelessness. Unfortunate!

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Sadly, there is no size limit on dorado.

Gee, I guess the boat must have had 8-10 anglers on board. Two dorado per angler is the limit.

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There is a suggested size limit from one group, but it wouldn't matter, as obviously limits don't matter either.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 11th, 2019 05:16 pm
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While it is lamentable that sportfisherman take small fish it is the commercial fishing sector that has destroyed the Dorado fishery in the sea of Cortez not the sport fishermen not even immoral sport fisherman have caused the destruction of the Dorado fishing here.

And it wouldn't matter if there was a limit on size because there is no enforcement as we all know. Mexico doesn't spend money in fisheries enforcement and it doesn't look like they will in any time in the near future.

That is why we would like to have some kind of marine park here in San Carlos where local users would be in charge of inspection and enforcement.

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The marines shot and killed two pangueros 2 months ago in San Felipe poaching Totuava. Video is on the internet.

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I have seen the same thing happening up here in Kino, with catches over the limits, but more important, almost totally female, small size, same rationalization. I have not seriously tried for dorado for years because of this. Sad indeed.

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Last winter I counted 8 draggers one night side by side rapping the bottom. When will they shut those fools down ?? Why not go to traps for prawns rather than drag ??

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Your going to have about as much luck there as telling the cartel to stop selling drugs, or migrants to cross legally.

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Look at the photo in this weeks newsletter from Team Margarita Sportfishing, all female Dorado. One 5 lb, one 10 lb and one maybe 12 lb.  I realize it's a business, but geez!!

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Sorry, I was away. Not the collage shot I would have used, but I did forward the photos. I can't say that they were injured either. I was out ten days ago and it seemed like 90% females. I release a very high percentage of my fish ( on circle hooks and carefully, unlike many others). We release all our billfish and don't take out of the water shots of anything but the small ones. Charters paying good money want to take home a meal or two. Lack of bait is keeping these fish small, the more mature ones are looking for debris for protection of their young (or they are getting munched up by birds and skipjack), and long liners are out there, purse seigners with FADs on the high seas, and pangueros setting up little FADs all along the coasts. Maybe we should just send the clients north this time of year.

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"Can't say they were injured"?  Two of the three are GAFFED!

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I didn't look close. I wasn't there. When we caught 30 the other day, there were a few on J-hooks that had to be kept. Do you even fish?

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Not that it has any relevance, but yes I fish usually twice a week.  I know all the difficulties of releasing Dorado.

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The limit is 2 dorado per day per person. I am sure that Brian had more than one guest on his charter. So to give his clients crap over 3 fish in the 5-10 lb range that are within their limits is petty imo. They are doing the fishing.

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   Just ask Ernesto Zaragoza.....Self-professed Sportsman, Hunter & Conservationist who has been dragging for shrimp for years w/ his fleet of "Shrimpers" and making him very wealthy! 

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Just curious why it was only his second post. I don't think my captain has been left with one Dorado meal this year. Maybe they thought that first one was going to be the only one on the half day trip. Yes, the guys get a little gaff happy not wanting to lose fish. Many visitors don't quite understand the need for conservation. It's a ugly business to try to survive at.

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Sorry to feel you Tdb333 but Ernesto passed away about 2 years ago. Pick on somebody else or get up too date.

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His family is still involved and, past sins are not healed by death. I 1st met Ernesto thru Safari Club International in 1999 & hunted with him out of Guaymas several times. I then learned about his shrimping fleet & asked him why he felt he could drag closer than 5 miles from the coastline. No reply, just a smile. I am up to date......! And, apparently, more on top of the persons taking advantage of lax Mexican oversight of a most precious resource than you are.....

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I'll guarantee you that the rape of the fish in the Sea of Cortez will stop when the fish are all gone.......and that coming muy pronto.. I weep  when I think that I will have to live to see it.... within 10 to 20 years. Look back 20 years and compare it to today. Then project that change forward..  "Tight Lines"

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