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 Posted: Sun Apr 21st, 2019 05:30 pm
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Richard, how does the kilometer as in your post (km98), work in Mexico, 98km to or from where? Thanks

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johnmoore wrote: Richard, how does the kilometer as in your post (km98), work in Mexico, 98km to or from where? Thanks

Believe from Sinola border.


Guaymas north turn off for SC is approx 134-138 ( forget exact )


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MountainbikeVH wrote:  To clarify, this occurred in Empalme. 



No - south of Empalme , KM 98 is somewhat rural.


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I don't know how the km markers are determined. Going North, Hermosillo is 0 for example. Just that the permit station has been called km98 for a long time, just like km21. Anyway, look on Google Earth and you can see the station is quite a ways from Empalme. I think that station is about 98km from Obregon, maybe that is where the markers in that area begin. Just like mile markers in the US.

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Ok. Here’s what I found, the manual for how to request a TIP. I also read a legal note saying it is illegal to publish, etc this post. I’ll just provide the link so that you can read it. It answers all the questions as to what’s is required, where to get it, expiration, cost, how to handle theft, accidents, etc. There’s even a map defining the Free Zone.
  
https://www.gob.mx/banjercito


On the first page, click below “Importación Temporal de Vehículos”. Then on the second page, go to the bottom of the page, or go here: “https://www.gob.mx/cms/uploads/attachment/file/442868/Lineamientos_para_Usuarios_nov_2018.pdf”


Good luck.

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Did some request info on obtaining a tip??? Try to keep up G....:)

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Terminology can be confusing. Technically the Sonora Only is a type of temporary import permit. See the Aduana site below. That site does not indicate you can get the Sonora Only permits in Nogales. Maybe someone with recent actual experience in getting (or trying) one there can clarify.


http://omahttp://www.sat.gob.mx/aduanas/vehiculos/importacion_temporal/Paginas/solo_sonora.aspx

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My experience is not recent. However, it is an actual experience I had.. twice.

However, years ago, I wanted an ONLY Sonora permit and asked at KM21.... They told me All of Mexico is available at KM21... and ONLY Sonora is available at KM98.


A couple years later I checked to see if things had changed.. They had not.. ALL of Mexico / KM21 & Sonora ONLY / KM98. No change.


Although, I've done KM21 early in the morning or late in the evening. In light of recent episodes, might be best to do KM98 when there is likely to be more traffic.

Last edited on Tue Apr 23rd, 2019 07:18 pm by odwyerpw

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If you have ever seen the line at K21 for car permits, you would understand why some people wait until K98.

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I've never felt the need for a Sonora Only permit, even when I went to Alamos, which is, of course, technically illegal.

However, I have secured three AOM permits and each time was at K98. The last time was about four years ago.

This inconsistency in official business is something that many of us "veterans" take for granted, and try and muddle through. But imagine how much of a turn-off it must be for newcomers to Mexico? Mexico costs itself countless millions in vacation revenues with inconsistencies like these.

There is a continuing inconsistency at the Texas/Mexico border (maybe NM border, too) about admitting 3/4 and 1 ton trucks into Mexico. At times over the last three years or so, they were banned completely. Now they are attempting to charge some type of commercial truck fee. Fortunately, it hasnt happened at Sonora or Baja crossings that I have heard about.

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Has anyone been caught without any TIP all or Only Sonora. First hand experience please. What happened and what was the outcome. I appreciate your responses.

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Yes,
Once in Vicam and was made to turn around.
Another time in the Valle, around La Mesa/Ortiz (apparently there is a line somewhere in the Valle) and was made to turn around.

I was fortunate in both instances that my auto was not confiscated. A car rental in Guaymas is so inexpensive, it's not worth the risk.

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I wanted to give some updated info regarding Only Sonora.
I was able to get one at the Mexican Consulate In Phoenix in about 5 minutes. Before, Only Sonora was not available. This is really good news. I will no longer use Enpalme. This will save me 30-60 Minutes. Same process. The lady was nice. and very helpful. Use the link in post 25 for more info. Coming down Sat 5/25. I will still need to retrieve my Tourist Permit at the Border or Km21.
I hope this info helps.

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That’s great news.
Is km 21 or another MX exit point still where the permit must be turned in before expiration?

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MARIGOT,
Same Process as before. I will still need to cancel at KM 21. I had to make an appointment with Banjercito. This I had to do online and take the print out confirmation. Make sure to have all documentation as you would for Enpalme. The Lady stated I need to exchange the Immigration Online paperwork at the Border AKA KM 21. I have the sticker and Only Sonora Permit already. I am not stopping at Enpalme anymore. Hopefully this lasts.

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Great information, thank you. Please post your experience at Km21 with actually getting the permit.

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Is there REALLY a savings in time by going to a Mex Consulate in the US and then going to K21?

K98 has never cost me 30-60 minutes to get a permit. More like 10 minutes. I've never encountered a line there.

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You can get a TIP online. After you apply they send it to using either UPS or DHL. It comes really fast.



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If you had a better experience at KM98 good for you. My last 3 trips were about an hour  because of others getting permits. Finding this flyer was good news. I personally do not like stopping. By the time I hit KM 98 I am already tired. I am one of those "Paisanos" that pack the car with goods for the family. So anytime I can save on stopping I will take it. Attached is the info I found. I hope this helps someone else trying to save time. 

Attachment: TIP.pdf (Downloaded 39 times)

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Yeah, I have to admit that I am not passing through K98 at traditional "paisano" times like Christmas or Semana Santa.

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