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 Posted: Wed Aug 1st, 2018 01:52 pm
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Anyone know anything about this : https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/armed-civilians-wake-up-guaymas-residents/
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amigo2 wrote: Anyone know anything about this : https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/armed-civilians-wake-up-guaymas-residents/
 Steve Habkirk


You must have missed the press conference held by the public information officer for the city of Guaymas. 


I dont have the text of the news release on this, but I do have a photo of the PIO at the press conference.








Seriously, I have not found any explanation for that shoot up in any press account. And no group seems to have claimed responsibility for it. It's wait and see.

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I guess my confusion was the articles' implication that  (local ) citizens were the ones doing the shooting. That didn't make a lot of sense....so, I wondered if the news letter had it wrong ? 


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I think the article had to refer to them as "civilians" since they know nothing about them, except that they weren't apparently police or military. It is a rather general word to choose.

Of course, cartel members or gang members or even members of a vigilante group are all "civilians". Who were these people? No one is saying.

I am not exactly sure of the timeline, but it appears the "stand down" order to police for everything except 9-1-1 calls may have occurred shortly after this incident. It's conceivable that this was a direct message to law enforcement.

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the way i heard the story of the shooting in san vicente was it was totally random!! they shot up a block, nothing particular!!


sounds like some drunken idiots blowing off steam, SIMILAR TO SCENES WE SEE IN THE OLD WESTERNS!


this was tied into the on going situation in empalme now san carlos!


no matter where you are here, USA, canada, anywhere you should be aware of your surrounding ALWAYS!

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I'm not sure how being aware of your surroundings will help if you are lying in bed in your house and some thugs start shooting up the place. Isnt that what happened here? Shots fired into houses. But nobody hit?

How do you prepare for that?

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hook, come on buddy, that sounds paranoid!! the chance of that actually happening is about the same as a meteor hitting your roof and killing you! not likely, but possible!!


when your here lets go have some drinks and WORRY about driving home!







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lots of rumors flying around, and there is an increased police presence now.

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I dont think it sounds paranoid. But in this instance, there is nothing anyone could do to "be aware of your surroundings" to prevent it.

When I think of being aware of your surroundings, I think of walking on the street and being aware of what's around you.
THAT, I can do.


Anyway, I doubt this was a totally random act, this shooting. Too coincidental that the police are suddenly on high alert.


Or maybe the corrupt cop angle IS true. That seems more likely.

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we can do something about it as a community!


lately there has been a rash of break ins, not the usual but now grand theft! the taking of vehicles, cars, quads, motor cycles, boat motors, ect; !!


when this happened NOB is wasn't because there where no police it was because there where not enough!


neighborhoods organized "NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH", WE CAN DO THE SAME HERE!!


there is only one road in and one road out, it is time that at the intersection at the road to the delpinaria  have a permanent police presence!! the authorities have already thought of this, that is why there is a "casita" with words POLICE on it!!!!




 

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Of course they have thought of it, Frankie. So many of the burglary woes and the murders that have been committed in San Carlos, would be deterred by a presence. People wouldnt be able to get past them with huge outboards and cars and ATVS and such. 


In fact, it makes SOOOOO much sense that the fact they haven't done it tells me that they actually dont WANT to confront that kind of element. They purposely avoid those types of confrontation, unless, as apparently happened in this recent case, they are paid cash to look the other way. 


Opinion Sonora is now reporting that is exactly what happened. Locals cops captured some cartel guys and turned them over to a rival cartel gang.


Apparently the disappearance of three persons the Saturday before last in San Carlos is a completely different event. That is alleged to have occurred in front of the Guaymas police, too. 


People, if you dont have a link to Opinion Sonora, you should. They seem to be the most impartial source in our area.


https://opinionsonora.com/


Lots of articles concerning San Carlos in today's "edition". Big demonstration planned over the first disappearance in San Carlos. Others, or the same group, are going to descend on city hall. Mayor of Guaymas supposedly avoiding talking to the OP reporters. Check it out. It's serious stuff!


Or, head on over to the Kumbaya board and remain ignorant of what's going on. There are many people over there, including the most prominent one, who have a direct financial incentive to whitewash all of this. 


Hey, the State Department can often err on the side of caution, but to pooh-pooh their latest warning, during this situation, is completely irresponsible, IMO. 



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sad to say i can only agree!

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HOOK, stop!  I'm cracking up over your pic!

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Well, I was having a little fun with it, earlier, when I posted that pic. No one had been hurt or abducted.

But it's become more serious now. Cops in hiding and protests blocking ingress and egress. Cartel implications. Quite a day.

It seems like the shoot em up in Guaymas was just some joyriding or something. These disappearances are more serious.

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