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 Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2018 06:24 pm
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during the past 3/4 years during the summer months, we have witnessed more and more people coming to san carlos! sometimes in the weekends it looks like the start of semana santa! traffic, long lines at the OXXO's and circle K's! the beaches packed!!
ALL THESE PEOPLE DRAW ON OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THE WATER, SEWER, ELECTRICITY, GARBAGE COLLECTION, LITTERING OF OUR PUEBLITO!
WHAT CAN WE DO??
MAYBE A TOLL FOR NONRESIDENTS TO ENTER SAN CARLOS?
THE MONEY USED TO HELP WITH OUR MANY NEEDS!
JUST A THOUGHT!

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Frankie, I understand your concern, however, it is a hot day, people go to the beach for food and fun, it is normal, you can not change it nor can I, everybody wants relief, let them have fun and deal with the results at a later date, come on over to my house for a few very cold beers.

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move back to Idaho ?? just a thought

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sorry frankie, your comments are just racist and bigoted. You want to tax Mexicans for going to a Mexican beach town?
Here is a better idea.
A tax on Americans and Canadians that are 65 and older. Say $15 a head a week.
After all, the reason theses old people are here is because of the cheap cost of living.
Time for Gringos to pay more. That should satisfy you and pay for the things you want others to pay.
You complain about everything and always want someone else to step up, while you take advantage of your situation. You should be very careful

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Johnny D wrote: sorry frankie, your comments are just racist and bigoted. You want to tax Mexicans for going to a Mexican beach town?


johnny my last name is ROMERO!!


what i was trying to attempt was a solution!! the toll would be charged to EVERYONE NOT A RESIDENT! IT WAS INTENDED AS AN IDEA FOR A SOLUTION!!


on every forum every day people are complaining about specific infrastructure problems here in san carlos, WATER, GARBAGE COLLECTION, LITTERING, BAD ROADS, ECT!!!!


the RESIDENTS here nationals or foreigners DO pay their fair share in property taxes and patronage to local businesses, VOLUNTARY HELP GROUPS! san carlos exists because of US!!!!!!!


i will critique to your comment without attacking you personally!


in Hawaii all residents have resident cards when they make their purchases their  price is lower than the tourists or visitors there, this is their  attempt for a solution, it helps offset the financial / infrastructural burden caused by nonresidents!


this is a BEACH TOWN and one of the ONLY, THAT HAS "NO PUBLIC BEACHES" IN THIS COUNTRY!





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I just hit the like button!!

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In Tucson, there are two different fees to play golf at the public courses and they are based on whether you are a local resident or non-resident. It has been that way for decades. Another idea is the bed tax put on hotels and RV parks that went to pay for the new stadium years ago. What Frankie suggests is not a new or radical idea, and it is workable. My concern would be how much of the fees would never be turned over once collected.

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390pony wrote: What Frankie suggests is not a new or radical idea, and it is workable. My concern would be how much of the fees would never be turned over once collected.

pony, thank you for your input!! it's nice to hear from progressive minds!


collecting the "revenues" tolls ,taxes, ect; is the 64 million dollar question, there is no proven track record of returns on the existing property / IVA taxes paid here!

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for those who don't know me, i am attaching a photo! do you really think i am racist or bigoted to mexican people? 

POR FAVOR!!!!!!!

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I am not saying you Frankie, but many Pochos are very bigoted towards Mexican Nationals.

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frankie wrote

what i was trying to attempt was a solution!! the toll would be charged to EVERYONE NOT A RESIDENT! IT WAS INTENDED AS AN IDEA FOR A SOLUTION!!


on every forum every day people are complaining about specific infrastructure problems here in san carlos, WATER, GARBAGE COLLECTION, LITTERING, BAD ROADS, ECT!!!!


the RESIDENTS here nationals or foreigners DO pay their fair share in property taxes and patronage to local businesses, VOLUNTARY HELP GROUPS! san carlos exists because of US!!!!!!!

lets try to constructively maintain and address the subject of this TREAD, AN ATTEMPT FOR SOLUTION OF OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURAL PROBLEMS!
i am sorry johnny "d"imwit ignorantly misunderstood my intention!FYI, we live in san carlos NUEVO GUAYMAS, and are part of the municipality of guaymas, as is san jose, santa clara, ect;, ALL QUALIFY AS RESIDENTS!!!!!






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Just remember, many, if not most, of the visitors on the weekend are from Guaymas. Guaymensens are residents because San Carlos is part of the Municipal de Guaymas. Another thought: we owners of property consider ourselves residents. Talk to your Mexican friends. In my experience, they consider us visitors. So does the FMM or tourist card. The residente temporal is another animal and most of us do not have it or the even rarer residente permanente. Be careful what you ask for.

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mary, i state clearly in my last post about residents!


just as in semana santa you get a residents pass or card. your identified with a water, electric bill in your name! simple!!

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I know Frankie. My point is that many of the people that come on weekends from Guaymas are residents and would not be affected by the toll thus diminishing, perhaps greatly, how much money would be raised.

How a ¨resident¨ is defined would be by the local government so who knows. But by your definition, people renting, even long term, would not have an electric or water bill in their name because you have to show ownership to change the account name. They would have to pay the toll even though they live in San Carlos. It is not as simple as it seems.

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no!! it's just an idea! 


there are tolls when you get off  to go mazatlan, puerto vallarta, ect. you pay a toll to go to mt. lemon , tucson. grand canyon, ect!


lots of smart people here, lets hear some ideas!

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Maryt, I have rented here for almost 9 years and have had a TelMex account and monthly bill that entire time.  For the first six months in an apartment, then a succession of 3 houses since then, each time moving my phone/internet service.  For the last 5 of those years I have also had MegaCable service, so another utility bill that is accepted as proof of residency.
So proving ‘residency’ for getting a Residente Temporal card, senor citizen discount card, driver’s license and permit for making left turns during Semana Santa have all been easy for me as a renter.

Long term Renters can also use their rental contract as proof of residency, so no problem.

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I really wouldn't get too excited about a few busy weekends a year. Inventing a tax here will just send them else where and there is an active campaign to have Mexicans spend there vacation budgets in Mexico.
Besides, we generate more IVA every time it gets busy its its really just a matter of getting Guaymas to allocate resources to public works that are already available.

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This reminds me of the discussion about the access fee for the Soggy Peso.  


http://forum.sancarlosmexico.com/forum1/16599.html


Just sayin......

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Bullshipper wrote: Besides, we generate more IVA every time it gets busy its its really just a matter of getting Guaymas to allocate resources to public works that are already available.

in my post #11 i address that we pay our fair share through property taxes and IVA!


bull, that is the real problem!


bart, you probably correct! i don't mind taking a few punches if stimulating banter is achieved!


looks like we residents are up sh*t creek without a paddle!

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