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To any and all interested in some action on San Carlos issues, there will be a town hall type of meeting with the Comisario and a CEA official at 11:00 AM on Tuesday April 25th at the street level meeting room at Charley's Rock. It's time to quit the banter here and show up at the meeting on Tuesday! Bring photos of specific problems, such as busted water meters, sewer leaks and whatever else the Comisario can address with CEA and the Mayor. He wants to see BACKING from residents! He'll do what he can, but he needs our support, so please attend the meeting!

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The TOWN MEETING set for next Tuesday morning at 11:00 AM at Charley's Rock is getting more interesting; Comisario Ruben Pinto has also invited a representative from CFE (Electric Commission) and the Department of Tourism! So please bring pictures and a written description of specific issues at specific San Carlos addresses and locations (if no address is applicable). Remember, we all pay property taxes! And we'd like to see at least 50% of that revenue applied HERE! 
I don't know if it's true or not, but it has been said that in SC 90% of the property owners, both trust and fee simple, pay their assessed property taxes, whereas in Guaymas 90% of the property owners DO NOT pay their property taxes! If so, then San Carlos is "the little engine pulling the big long train"!! Is that fair?

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Someone please ask CEA why they never reveal the results of the CONAGUA well tests in December. Surely they must know. Is the level going down? Is the salinity increasing?


So, who is chairing the discussion? Surely someone must lead it or it will become an unorganized free-for-all. How is translation going to be handled?

I think it disappointing that CFE will be there. It will just take time away from getting answers from CEA. Besides,  does anyone really have any problem with the way DFE maintains their system?

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Chairing the meeting will be our new Comisario, Ruben Pinto. The fact that CFE and Tourism officials will be there is IMO a good thing because they need to hear that SC residents care about utilities and the Dept. of Tourism needs to hear about the various issues so that they can bring pressure to bear. As for translation, Ruben Pinto speaks good English and also I may be called on for other translation.

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CFE being at the meeting? we pay our electric bills every 2 months and guaymas pays monthly! no real problem this time of year, but wait an other month when we have to start using our AC's! we would pay a lot less if we where charged monthly. paying every 2 months pushes most of us into the higher tier pricing! the way CFE's pricing tiers are structured, guarantee that! 

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Good point Frankie! Please bring it up at the meeting.

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Richard, hopefully you can bring forward your views that water from wells designated for San Carlos are going to agriculture and/or Guaymas Norte.

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Off the subject, a tad. What is the process that a new home builder and his contractor goes through to tap into the City grid in SC?

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john, if there is a water line on your road , go ask CEA to hook you up! if there is no line you will have to plumb it to the closest line,at you expense!!

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Frankie, my question was to ascertain if there was a standard, and if that standard was ALWAYS followed. I have no pending situations that would require that process. Further more, I was wondering if contractors would circumvent the standard, do it there way, that may result in some of the problems we face today......sewage disposal and the lack of a consistent water supply.

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CEA only originally supplied the main line! everything from that main line was placed by outside CEA control. so tapping to existing lines may not have been placed by CEA. the standard? is there one? all my hookups used copper had filters and antisipon devices! i am extremely disappointed of what they have replaced my quality plumbing to place the new meters!!

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Hook, I think that even more than the CEA problems, the burning issue in and for San Carlos is the fact that our property taxes feed Guaymas with little benefit for SC. I have been told by a knowledgeable source in the Municipal government that 90% of SC residents pay their assessed property taxes while 90% of Guaymas property owners do not. Just look at Guaymas Norte; there are thousands of INFONAVIT financed houses there that each owe property taxes. Do you think they pay it? Yet our water is being diverted for their use. San Carlos is being taken advantage of and I don't think it's fair! Yes, I have brought it up, and I will again.

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does anyone have locations and pictures of the wells that are designated for san carlos? 
what is the evidence that the water is being diverted for agriculture and or guaymas norte? the infrastructure to do so would be evident and costly!!!! 

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no problems with water at solimar again this semana santa

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Frankie, there are three wells that feed water to San Carlos. The water main comes from North along the highway on the West side then West into SC along the North side of the SC access. It's not visible but it's there and the evidence is that you have water (sometimes). The evidence of the water being used elsewhere is the fact that our water is now rationed to the various neighborhoods whereas is used to be steady. You want to know where it's going? I suggest you ask CEA at the Town Meeting on Tuesday. As for pictures of the wellheads with their pumps, the two Guaymas newspapers have shown them from time to time. That's La Voz del Puerto and El Vigia.

When Guaymas Norte was planned, it was initially much smaller than what it has evolved into. The initial Guaymas water main was just for the first few hundred or so houses. As it grew (through INFONAVIT subsidies) water shortages reared their ugly head and the "derechohabientes", (new subsidized homeowners) complained loudly and, of course, threatened "to vote the bums out" and therin lies the political key to all of this: Those people VOTE and so, (1) must be kept happy so that (2) they vote PRI. So as Guaymas Norte grew, and water was needed, there came to pass a switch from the old COAPAES to the new (to us) CEA. A water main was put in from the highway junction to Guaymas Norte and a diversionary valve put in to divert a good part of water from "our" wells to Guaymas Norte. I have not verified this, but I consider my source to be extremely reliable, and it makes sense. The SC wells were engineered to supply a community of approximately 30,000, and between Guaymas Norte and SC, the system must now be right at or close to its designed capacity; ergo, our water shortages. IMO a solution to all of this is for CEA to drill a couple more wells into the Santa Clara aquifer to supply Guaymas Norte.

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Richard, we're going on 4 days with no water coming in. It's almost the norm, we sometimes get water a few hours at night, sometimes not. My point is actually to say that Ranchitos does have several leaks between the little kids school to the North in only that one long block. I think you have some very good information on water diversion as 4 or 5 years ago when they started building all the casitas on the corner going from Santa Clara to San Jose de Guaymas, then all the casitas in Guaymas Norte. There are a fantastic bunch of tinacos to fill daily maybe before we get water. During that period up to today, the water from the street has become less and less. Yes, we plan to be there. Ron

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the water situation is complicated! it is my understanding that the original subdivisions of guaymas norte's, water supply comes from from the same aqueduct from the obregon area that supplies guaymas! the newer subdivisions are using the san jose wells and water reservoirs from yaqui land! you may all remember the road blocks a few years back on yaqui land going to obregon! apparently what we are seeing now is the result of the negotiations!

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I certainly hope someone brings up the situation with the arroyo between Tecalai & Totonoka as it is in dire need of cleaning out...there is great concern that if there would be another hurricane and flooding, the bridge would surely be lost again as there is no place for the water to drain because of the sand buildup & debris in the arroyo. Several of us have been desperately trying to get something done but have hit dead ends & now we are gone until next season. A representative from Tecalai did tell Rubin Pinto about this situation so would appreciate it being brought up at the meeting to see if cleaning of the arroyo is planned. I do believe there is also a raw sewage issue there, as well. 

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Just remember as you complain that most Guaymas residents receive water no more than two times a week.

Thank you to the people who arranged for this meeting.

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Jublee, that issue and others around SC require that the Comisario have a funded budget from Guaymas. Without that, there's not much he can do; so this illustrates how important it is that at least 50% of our property taxes be returned to SC in the form of a budget for the Comisario to look after SC issues.

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My friends in Guaymas receive water most of the time. Not twice a week. San Carlos has areas that do not receive water atlas twice a week. It is a shame that we have been lied to repeatedly, and CEA does nothing. If they cleaned that office out of the nepotism, and hired people that actually knew what they were doing, it would run much smoother, and more people would be happier.

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Thanks for your reply & I/we who are concerned about the arroyo realize the funding issues but seems what money is allocated...presume it is from taxes...goes to less important issues such as redoing the SAN CARLOS sign and all the work that goes into the town just before Semana Santa. When the arroyo issue was presented to him, he was in the process of paying for the sign and didn't know if there would be funds to clean it out. Just hoping that what tax money San Carlos does get is used for the more serious issues.

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Jublee, my understanding was that the San Carlos sign clean up was paid for by donations, I believe I read that in What's Up San Carlos. If it wasn't paid for this way, then I certainly agree with you, total waste of money. I do not mind them cleaning up the community, but perhaps they could do it in September, before the majority of us TAX PAYERS arrive!!!!

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Where are you people getting these numbers?

Hard for me to believe that SC with 7000 part time residents is creating more tax revenue than a city of more than 70,000 full time residents, as I as a SC resident also do a lot of my shopping in Guaymas too. Beyond sales tax, the state has to at least match their contributions to their city and this is also based on census numbers.

Public schools in Guaymas are now charging their students monthly for electrical, water, and maintenance costs along with uniforms and all school materials that the kids have to also provide for themselves, so I really do not see the town of Guaymas rolling in extra cash either.

We are non voting tourists so I while I think that town halls are a good way of showing Mr Pinto our moral support, I believe that newspaper stories are probably a more effective way to spur more support from the town and state for SC.

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The SC sign was all donations and volunteer labor; nothing to do with tax money. All of our property tax money goes to the Guaymas Treasury. Little, if any, comes back. Street lighting along the boulevard is spotty and lacking in other places. Our Police vehicles are not allocated enough gasoline to adequately patrol. And what about fire protection? The Comisario doesn't have a secretary/receptionist. Worse, he has no budget money and a contingency fund? SHeeesh, wassat? So where's our property tax money?

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richard , you answered your question in your post #2 the last sentence!!!

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I know that the money/supplies/labor to redo the sign last year was all donated as was quite aware of all the contributions being made by comments here on the forum; however, was not aware of any fund raising/contributions this spring when work was being done on it. Also, (and this is 2nd hand info) when Rubin Pinto was approached about the arroyo situation, he said the money he had available at the time was going for the sign improvement...just what I was told.

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I apologize & kudos to the donors....as just read this in a previous issue of the newsletter....
Our San Carlos sign on the hill is all spruced up and painted again! Many thanks to the generous donors who helped to purchase the paint and supplies, with a special shout out to Charly's Rock and Los Arbolitos. Thanks to organizers and fundraisers Al Dodson and Michael Peiffer for spearheading this project. Michael and our new San Carlos Comisario, Ruben Pinto, worked together to make this happen.
Maybe our Comisario was just putting off the issue of the arroyo with his comments...

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So very right Frankie, San Carlos is the "little engine that could"! We are funding Guaymas and I ask again, is that fair? And our property taxes are based on a higher mil rate to boot! So why can't we get our streets repaired? LDM road for instance, and that little short block in front of TelMex... Have any noticed that Ranchitos East got many streets paved with concrete? Why? Because those people vote! We are nobody politically, but collectively, a cash cow!

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Ranchitos East roads that were paved were done so because they became arroyos during Jimena. It was part of a large project (federal?) that paved risky areas all over Guaymas and in the Ranchitos. There was a lot of information in the newspapers about it.

I would hope that people would come with specific areas they would like to see improved (PASA giving regular service is mine) and not waste time on trying to make San Carlos a separate city. Talk about tilting at windmills. That attitude gets us absolutely nothing.

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in my 16 years here in san carlos i have never been aware of a town hall type meeting! this is a start!! will there be chaos probably, but that is OK because before we can walk we have to learn to crawl, and before we can run we have to learn to walk! we all know there are many issues and hopefully this is the start of concerned community involvement!  ruben pinto is starting something new for US, that should be admired!

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Many years ago, we had townhall meetings in the reception room at the Hotel Posada. Then we had town hall meetings in the back room of Del Mar restaurant. We even had a San Carlos Residence association, that had fund raisers, and made positive improvements in San Carlos for the good of everyone. It was always the same people doing all of the work. They eventually moved away, or died. No longer do we have San Carlos days....that was always a fun event. The gardeners that throw the debris into the wash, should be fined, and they would stop clogging the wash. People need to take responsibility for their actions. San Carlos could raise a lot of money by nailing the speeders through town.

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One hell of a good turnout...WTG San Carlos.



Suerte Sr. Pinto.

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Otto Claussen came to San Carlos once for a meeting like this.

I can tell you that the comsiario just tried to take all the gringos in town on a ride at this meeting.

Pure theater!

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Vince, if you are referring to Comisario Efrain Soto, my experience was just the opposite. He was a hard working guy who loved San Carlos, was paid very little, and had to fight to get support from the City of Guaymas. Whenever I asked for help, he offered it and was effective. But, perhaps you are referring to someone else.

While opinions vary, I also saw Otto Claussen in action in a very positive way. He was a kingpin in getting the towers at Estero Soldado removed.

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Efrain Soto is now the head of CEA for Guaymas and San Carlos according to the summary of the meeting. Maybe those that have a good relationship with him can assist in solving the many issues with water and sewer.

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Awaiting Mr. Baca's summary of the meeting. I was not there but based on George's summary, sounds like it was a complete runaround. Si o no? 

Is Efrain Soto, the man Mr. Baca speaks so highly of, really the head of CEA now?

Frankie, you have been rather vocal about how excited you are to have a town hall meeting. What was your assessment of the meeting?

How were questions from the audience handled? How many residents were allowed to ask questions? How long did the meeting actually last?

Any others, please give us your synopsis. Like so many others, we are out of town right now. 

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the meeting wasn't as disappointing as some are saying! it seems from my take of the meeting that their hands are tied regarding a lot of issues! ruben pinto's references to us paying for some of the problems where, i believe taken wrong! IE;the water meters! i personally understood what i have to do regarding my water meter plumbing if i want it correct! i will have my company plumber install the copper pipe we originally had, done correctly at my expense and i will no longer have a problem or an issue! 
there was talk of some of the issues being funded out of our pockets similar to NOB adopt a hiway programs!
so all stated above if we all wonder where are water bill and tax money is going, we can keep wondering!!! if we want to help correct the issues, then we band together and fund some of projects to correct them!
i am not saying this is fair, but probably better than waiting for ever to have it done by THEM!

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Thank you for the information on the meeting.  I will also be hiring your plumber frankie to replace the cheap plastic that CEA used to replace the copper piping previously in place.  The other board mentioned that those of us who need/want to make such repairs should take our receipts to them for a credit. I plan on doing just that. 
I think they might have a misconception of the "Adopt a Highway" program up north.  My understanding is that the program invites local businesses and citizens to adopt an area along the roadways to keep them clean, not pave them etc.  That is what property tax money should be used for, in my opinion. Perhaps a percentage (20-25%) of the property tax collected annually could be designated specifically to SC so the Comisario would have the funds to resolve many of the road/sewer/trash collection issues.  That would be an issue for our Comisario to raise with the Mayor, but it seems like that would be a good solution.  
Thanks again to our Comisario for hosting the town hall, for all who attended and for sharing the notes.  Vamos!

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after the meeting ruben pinto was with his attorney drafting a petition letter to the governor, we where asked to sign this petition in an attempt to get action on the issues! 
ruben pinto and efrin soto both live here in san carlos and both are quite aware of the problems! "hands tied" both are relatively new to their positions ruben as comisario and efrin as head of CEA here in san carlos! 
the problems we have, where here before both men assumed their current positions! they both have now heard from the NOB portion of the community! 
if i have any disappointments with the meeting it is that there was almost no mexican nationals at the meeting and none of the members of the families who have local and state influence!  

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Well, the lack of prominent families and Mexican nationals probably indicates their suspicion that officials talk the talk but rarely walk the walk in Mexico. So, why waste the time? Not saying that the meeting was a waste of time; just speculating on why they were a no-show.


Really, it is rather surprising that there was no representative from the Llanos. I suspect there was; maybe just not a Llano family member.


Or maybe they get their water needs taken care of and have no reason to attend a meeting like this. That's the way it is in Mexico; the wealthy are taken care of and the rest are on their own. Really, I almost never hear water complaints from persons living in the Vista Marina area. They keep those valves turned on all the time.


BTW, there is a pretty good summary of the meeting, complete with video link, in this week's WUSC newsletter.

Final thought: gee, I wonder where all that copper piping went????

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How long will the petition penned by Ruben be available to sign, before it is sent off? Hook, they took my copper piping, and left the bronze meter.

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i personally know many influential voting nationals here in san carlos, to my knowledge they had know idea this meeting was being held!
the word of the meeting was mostly transmitted through the 2 english audiences forums here in town! 
the cynicism held by many posting here is also held by ruben and efrin! that's why i write "their hands are tied" !!


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I am sorry but what I witnessed was an incredible display of ignorance and absurdity. Smoke and Mirros and plenty of it. The new Comisario just tried to get the rich gringos in town to buy into the idea that they should do the job of the water company and fix the leaks and sewage.

Just like beach clean ups!! Lets get the locals to do the job of the city so we don't have to.

Yep that's right and then maybe Ruben will be able to use his Trump like deal making and negotiating skills to be able to get a deal with Lorenzo the mayor to get reimbursed. You can't make this stuff up.

Perhaps residents of San Carlos should not forget that the current government in Guaymas will be gone in a year and a half. So guess what, new comisario and new water people!! Good luck holding them accountable!! Not to mention that the current mayor and his illustrious secretary, Jaramillo, that showed up to the meeting at the end are perhaps even more corrupt and certainly more inept that the last administration.

Efraim's refusal to speak English to the crowd speaks volumes of his attitude towards American residents. Ruben's refusal to invite Mexicans to this meeting speaks volumes to what his main objective was.

For those who did not go I will post the videos I shot and the article I am writing shortly but there was a guy who video taped the whole meeting. I sure hope that gets posted on YouTube or some other site.

What I witnessed was good old fashioned Guaymas politics!!

Lets try to get the gringos to pay the bill for the corruption and incompetence of local governance. Anybody remember the road paving incident sponsored by the other forum? How did that work out for the people?

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some of you can keep your fingers crossed to wait for CEA to fix your leaky meter plumbing! i have already changed the meter plumbing fittings at my house and office, with copper!! i would have used galvanized pipe, but that is not readily available here!
if you want it done correct do it yourself!

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I noticed that Soto spoke only Spanish suggesting he didn't speak English but I also noticed when Vince and others made statements in English Soto shook his head no, no. 
A rouse all the way around.
Folks, we (Gringos) are such a small part of Mexico we will never change anything. 
The millions of Mexican citizen that have lived in this country their entire  lives will need to demand change but unless they organize, meet, protest and vote differently  things will continue as is.  Same as in the US,  protesting doesn't accomplish too much but might make you feel better.
"Me thinks you protest too much", we should get it we have NO POWER HERE.

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Read the summary on WhatsUp... hmmm, a national program... no one here in Alamos is swapping out our meters, nor swiping our copper pipes.

Efraim Soto, he was the Comisario in charge of receiving all of the Expatriate contributions to build "The Road" a few years back. Now he runs CEA in Guaymas?

Started to watch the video of the meeting, but checked out after about 7 minutes. 

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i was in aguas calientes last week! this is how they correctly install water meters! using galvanized water pipe!

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Frankiej, do you have any photos of how they are doing them in San Carlos? (Our installations in Alamos, well my place anyway, look like the one you are showing from Aguas Calientes).

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Not being a real handyman, what makes copper so desirable? How does the copper-to-PVC/ABS connection go? I have PVC coming in from the street.

Hey, if commodities come roaring back, that copper piping will be a magnet for thieves the way all the copper wiring was when copper was much higher.

Maybe it's true that these meters weren't mandated by the Feds, as was stated at the meeting. In any event, meters SHOULD be installed at all locations. It discourages waste.........and I am a Ranchitos resident who still hasn't had CEA install a meter. But I'm drip all the way, no lawn, no pool, low water trees, one bedrooom, one bath and one trailer.

Now, theoretically, if all paying customers had meters workings and CEA measured the amount of water coming IN to San Carlos, one could easily figure how much water is lost to  leakage. Water coming in - water passing through all the meters = water wasted.

I dont suppose CEA would want that figure to be publicized. :shock:

So, these new meters they are installing, are they "smart" meters than can be read with electronics or are they analog meters that must be read by "hand"? If the latter, I just don't see CEA coming around and reading them. 

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The red plastic is very cheap. The zip tie repair was by a plaumber I hired. The original install was copper pipe cut out, and plastic stuck in the hole. No glue, no fastener. When water was turned on it became a fountain that flooded my street until the Plumbet arrived.

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Ah yes, well I urge everyone to go and sign our Comisario's petition both foreigners and Mexicans. It's a good pro-active step. The Vince creature was his usual negative self above; IMO, just consider the source, and Hook, I don't know Efrain Soto other than by name and the occasional sighting. I think that the almost two hour meeting went well and it, along with the petition are good positive steps in the right direction. BTW, ALL SC Residents were invited. It was posted all over town and yes several Mexicans attended and spoke. Carmelita Ordaz was particularly vocal and articulate.

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Caroline is right on the money. The man who was illegitimately chosen as comisario and the CEA absolutely tried to take the gringo's here for a ride.

Just imagine the kick backs paid to the local government by the private company that was given the contract to change all these meters. Does everyone understand that this is a complete and total scam. Politics as usual in Guaymas. Skim as much off the top as possible and then when you are out of office take a nice long vacation!

This letter Ruben is gonna supposedly write and have Americans sign and then send to the governor is a joke. Americans can't vote and the few registered voters that exist in San Carlos don't mean a hill of beans to the mayor of Guaymas or the Governor of Sonora.

There are two ways out, an Amparo is one way and the other is that San Carlos forms it's own Municipio. Problem is San Carlos residents are not willing to put in the effort to do it.

Why do you think Mexicans were not invited to this meeting? Can you imagine if Ruben got up in front of a bunch of Mexicans and tried to sell them on the idea that they the local residents should do the job of CEA and then CEA will pay them back.

He would have been lynched on the spot!

Is it clear to everyone now why they would not allow Maria Ines Orozco or any other person chosen by the people to be comisario?

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Vince, I just took a view of your website and saw that Dec. 22 was your last comment,,,, WTF? If you're gonna be a mover and a shaker, you might want to participate at a higher level! Get Real.

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i appreciate the information. i am something of a trusting soul but i see a lot of mistrust here. seem to be an old fashioned idea but don't you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?

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is this picture of a recent installation under the new rules or possibly one that hasnt been replaced yet.

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Pan Head you clearly have no idea what I have been doing since December and no idea what I have done over the last three years here in regards to the water issue and the conservation issues here.  So let me give some info.


First off my life is mine and I can tell you that my life is as real as it gets here. The fact that I have not been posting lately some how equates for you that I need to get real?
To fill you in I will briefly tell you that at the end of May myself and local activists will not be writing a letter to the Governor. We will be delivering to her and the state legislature a folder about two inches thick of every fraud perpetuated by the water company CEA from the last three years. 
The documents have been legally drafted and signed and dated by the Municipio. Within this folder of documents there will also be a copy of a denuncia regarding the current Mayor. There will also be copies of documents regarding  information about the Estero el Soldado. By the way we helped lobby the government, successfully I might add, to create an Estero El Soldado Day which will be celebrated every 18 of May. There were be an event at the Cautemoc Elementary school this 18th of May. As a matter of fact it was our denuncia that helped prevent the construction of the convention center next to the estuary and we also participated in having the zip lines removed.

In the folder that is going to the State Legislature and Governor at the end of May there will also be another document. That document outlines a the legal framework on why San Carlos should be it's own municipio. 
It is absolutely true I have not been blogging much lately but that doesn't mean I have been sitting on my butt doing nothing. 
By the way we are working on starting this program for the Northern Sea of Cortes , http://worldsaquarium.com/blog/sea-lion-disentanglement-the-definition-of-a-good-day/ and this program for the Bahia San Franciscito, http://worldsaquarium.com/blog/our-proposal-for-a-marine-protected-area-in-san-carlos/ 

Is that real enough for ya?
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was that folder presented at the meeting.  what did they think when faced with evidence  of every fraud perpetuated by the water company CEA from the last three years. 

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What folder are you referring to Visitor? And I think you meant "perpetrated", but be that as it may, "every fraud by the water company"? I think "scandal" would be a better word because accusation of "fraud" carries legal connotations. If you are only a visitor, what do you know that we the residents don't know?

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Richard,  Vince wrote: "The documents have been legally drafted and signed and dated by the Municipio. Within this folder of documents there will also be a copy of a denuncia regarding the current Mayor. There will also be copies of documents regarding  information about the Estero el Soldado. By the way we helped lobby the government, successfully I might add, to create an Estero El Soldado Day which will be celebrated every 18 of May. There were be an event at the Cautemoc Elementary school this 18th of May. As a matter of fact it was our denuncia that helped prevent the construction of the convention center next to the estuary and we also participated in having the zip lines removed".

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Visitor San Carlos, please understand this. The water company knows exactly what they are doing. They know where all the water leaks are. They know where all the sewage leaks are. By the way all sewage leaks can be reported to PROFEPA on line and I would urge people to flood PROFEPA with reports of sewage. It can't hurt.

Every single document in the folder of denuncias has been signed and stamped by the city of Guaymas. The city of Guyamas, the mayor and the Secretary know exactly what is going on here. We get all of the denuncias signed and stamped in Guaymas so that we can show to the state legislature and the Governor that Guaymas is corrupt. It would have been a complete waste of time to confront them with the file. Yes it would have made them a bit "more" uncomfortable but they were already uncomfortable there. I doubt very much you will ever see another meeting like that again in San Carlos but who knows, maybe.

 Did you happen to stay at the meeting till the end?

I didn't but I watched the video and if you did stay you would have seen the lack of interest demonstrated by the the high ranking Secretary Jarramillo, Lorenzo the Mayor's right hand man. He would have been the guy off to the left with dark hair who never spoke on the mic and was endlessly playing with his phone. If you listen to the bloggers and activist's in Guaymas they would tell you the guy is essentially a criminal.

Please understand that city officials don't care about San Carlos infrastructure. San Carlos is the cash cow for Guaymas and nothing more. This is why Guaymas does not allow San Carlos to legally choose it's own Comisario. Ruben was not choosen as Comisario by the people. He was what we say in Meixco a DEDAZO. The protocol for choosing the comisario was not properly followed. Welcome to Mexico. By the way, the law states that anyone who holds a liquor license can not even be a candidate for comisario let alone be a comisario. 

In other words the comisario of San Carlos will tow the line for the city. The most important part of that meeting for me was at the beginning when the comisario proposed that Americans should form a committee and pay for the repairs and then hope to be repaid by the city. Why did Ruben propose that? Because he knows that CEA will not do their job because the money we pay to them goes to Guaymas and does not return and will not ever return.

The only way forward for San Carlos is to become it's own Municipio. Then San Carlos could manage the water itself with out State Intervention. Yes that is right, most Municipalities manage the water from billing all the way to infrastructure. Guaymas is fairly unique in that the city council and mayor set the price but don't do the work to keep the system running. They part that out to the state.

Which means the city of Guaymas could change the rules anytime they want. In other words if San Carlos were it's own city it could make the rules and pricing for water.

Don't expect much from this 2015 to 2018 administration in Guaymas.


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The construction of the so called convention center just East of the Estero on the Delfinaro road came to a stop due to the change of governing party in Hermosillo. It had nothing to do with objections from SC, though most of us didn't like it. The governorship went from PAN to PRI, plain and simple. In fact, the former governor ended up in jail (for other reasons) illustrating just how nasty politics can get.

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The dismantling of the Zip Towers and the end of the Convention Center was brought about by environmental activism. Mostly lead by Victor Para Maldonado from the Non Profit, Guaymas tu Puerto. Our non profit WorldsAquarium produced media and filed a formal denuncia along with other NGO's and private citizens with PROFEPA. What was discovered during the proceedings was that the Construction Company never filed an Environmental Impact Study. Of course considering they were building right next to a UNESCO World Heritage site who wants to spend money on pesky Environmental Impact Reports.

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johnmoore, where did you get this quote from Vince Radice? If he did write it, there is a lot of inaccurate "puffing". I was directly and officially involved in Estero Soldado issues as were other scientists. The zip line environmental impact study work and final document were done by our group. Through the mayor, Otto Classen, that document was key to convincing the federal government to order the towers removed and to impose a stiff fine. In none of this work, which was done very quietly and in the background, was Vince Radice involved. In fact, our group feared that Vince would find out what we were doing and inappropriately spread partial and inaccurate information as has been his habit on other things he has done. We did all of this in secret because our careers were on the line had the previous administration chose to seek revenge for our work. However Vince claims to have participated in the zip line removal, I never saw him (nor was he invited) participate in those processes that ultimately removed the towers.

I might add that, in addition to our work, there was an ongoing community outcry by the citizens of Guaymas regarding the towers. It was this strong community support, partly due to Victor Parra's fine work and newspaper articles, that kept us encouraged as we worked in the background. The good thing about the whole tower fiasco was that it demonstrated to everyone, including the Anglo community in San Carlos, that Mexican's do care about their environment. In my mind, the tower fiasco served to solidify this idea.

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Sorry Bill but you don't always get the memos on the work I have done with Victor,

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Posts #57,  is where I read/found it.

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"holy cow" what a pissing match!!
there is a lot of resentment here in mexico due to the current politics in the USA! 
some of the opinions from both sides on this thread may be crossing the line!
i am a resident alien in good standing here in mexico! i want to keep it that way!
me being latino won't change the nationals minds, when they are thinking "pinche gringos"!!!!

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Vince continues to be a "legend in his own mind". Please everyone consider the source. Ballenamar spearheaded the effort and got Mexican support vis-a-vis the zip lines and kayaking in the estuary. As for the so called "convention center", it was stopped due a change of Governor and party in Hermosillo though there was a grass roots "letter to the editor" (both Guaymas newspapers) campaign. It's good that Vince was with us on this, but neither he nor Mrs. Radice were in any way decisive on the issue.

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Frankie, what do you mean?

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john, you asked what do i mean?  i "we" are guests in mexico, here by visa, or as permanent or temporary residents!! 
the politics, operation of municipal, state, and or federal agencies is governed by mexican nationals!
interference by foreign guests could and can be construed as unwanted meddling!
i am sure we have some rights,  regarding our payments of taxes and utilities!  but what is our actual legal position?
attending a meeting where only a few mexican nationals are present  and the NOB's dominate by over 98% doesn't look prudent in my eyes!
i have fixed my problems with the substandard plumping that came with the new meters at my house and my office! i have no water plumbing issues now! i solved my own personal water issues!

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Frankie, thank you for your reply, very well written and thought out. I agree with you, for more than 30 years what comes with paradise, had better be the DIY attitude and aptitude. My only concern for others, is the lack of water, and the unacceptable maintenance of the sewage system.

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Richard: While I appreciate your kind words, your comment “Ballenamar spearheaded the effort and got Mexican support vis-a-vis the zip lines and kayaking in the estuary” is simply not true.

The fact is that ALL of the estuary conservation work was conducted by a group of us who were appointed to an estuary advisory committee (Consejo in Spanish) by the State of Sonora under the previous administration. Our job was to create a conservation management plan as required by the federal government. We are a group of scientists who were all associated with TEC – Campus Guaymas in the Graduate School of Marine Sciences either as professors or as former students. TEC has a long history of protecting Estero Soldado. 

In the course of doing our work within the Consejo, we were notified that the State of Sonora wanted to build the zip line. Independent of the Consejo, our group worked as a team (no appointed leader) in the background to create an environmental impact assessment document. The assessment and the document showed a negative (bad) impact due to lots of human noise associated with the zip line usage and due to birds flying into the towers at night. We presented the document to the Sonoran Government authorities. We were promptly fired from the Consejo.

Two members of the group (not me) arranged a meeting with Guaymas Mayor Otto Claussen. While hesitant to attend, my colleagues wanted me to be at the meeting simply to show the “face” of the San Carlos Anglo community. At that meeting, and after reviewing our impact assessment, Otto Claussen appointed a commission of three people to leave for Mexico City immediately. The purpose of the mission was to present our findings to the federal authorities. 

A federal prosecutor showed up in Guaymas the following week to order the towers removed, to impose a stiff fine, and to close the estuary to the public. There was only one person who “spearheaded” this effort. He was Mayor Otto Claussen. The rest of us acted as a team of scientists doing their job as a group. 

The result of all of this was the removal of the towers after the state election when the new administration took quick action and removed the towers and is now paying the fine. The real credit goes to the marvelous and apparently unanimous community support that existed through the entire process as all of us did our work

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Well thank you "ballenamar". Maybe "spearheaded" was a stronger term than intended, but your efforts were/are appreciated by all in San Carlos and elsewhere in the State. I remember when it was suggested by a foreign developer to turn the estuary into a big marina back when jurisdiction was with the State. I and the chief engineer on the SIDEK/SITUR project went to Hermosillo to discourage this. And there were others. The whole situation deteriorated into the Llano Napoles dispute which is still simmering, but the estero is protected!

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So back on topic, after reviewing what happened at the meeting, I can totally understand why the officials LIED. (as they normally do, it is political) The water bill has increased in the past ten years. (I have all the bills to prove it) The government didn't require that all the meters be replaced, that was a local decision. Nothing is going to change, because the powers in office do not want change. Yes, the water company is corrupt, and has been since I moved here in 1980. (this is not speculation, it is fact) After spending a few thousand dollars to put in water to the area where my husband and I were building, many others hooked up to the pipe, incorrectly, and the water company told us that once it is in, it belongs to them, but they have done nothing to maintain. Until the people that are controlling the water clean up their act, and take care of business as it should be, we will continue to have all of the negative issues concerning the distribution of the water. It all comes down to "who you know, and who you are". Something needs to be done, and I do not see it happening. Things have only gotten much worse. I hate to sound so negative about this, but it is extremely frustrating to see the steady decline in water service, and nothing is changing. Good luck with the petition. I hope it helps.

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we have 2 threads with the same theme! one announcing the meeting, the other the petition!
i have posted on both!
 there is a common concern for the water and the legitimacy of CEA!!
i see a lot of finger pointing from the posters!  please remember for the one finger you are pointing 3 are pointing back at you! 
all the posters regardless of their individual differences have a common concern "the water"!!! 
that is what will unite the concerned and ability to do something!
ruben pinto, attempt was the forming a meeting, as commisario!
richard baca, sounding the concern for a meeting, time and date!
vince radice, video tapping the water leaks and concerned citizens, valuable statistics!!
all three at least making an attempt to do something!
frank romero; if you want it done, do it yourself or organize and get it done! 
i posted how i corrected my new meter plumbing problems at my expense!
vince has a video in one of these posts, where the neighbors organized and placed new water pipe!
that is the sort term solution for a long time problem!



  

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Frankie, the least of many peoples problems is a leaky meter......many don't know if their meter leaks or not...BECAUSE there is NO WATER to LEAK!!

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frankiej wrote:all the posters regardless of their individual differences have a common concern "the water"!!! 




  

john, yes i agree!

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Vince Radice wrote: Visitor San Carlos, please understand this. The water company knows exactly what they are doing. They know where all the water leaks are. They know where all the sewage leaks are. By the way all sewage leaks can be reported to PROFEPA on line and I would urge people to flood PROFEPA with reports of sewage. It can't hurt

this  makes sense!

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long time resident wrote: So back on topic, after reviewing what happened at the meeting, I can totally understand why the officials LIED. (as they normally do, it is political) The water bill has increased in the past ten years. (I have all the bills to prove it) The government didn't require that all the meters be replaced, that was a local decision. Nothing is going to change, because the powers in office do not want change. Yes, the water company is corrupt, and has been since I moved here in 1980. (this is not speculation, it is fact) After spending a few thousand dollars to put in water to the area where my husband and I were building, many others hooked up to the pipe, incorrectly, and the water company told us that once it is in, it belongs to them, but they have done nothing to maintain. Until the people that are controlling the water clean up their act, and take care of business as it should be, we will continue to have all of the negative issues concerning the distribution of the water. It all comes down to "who you know, and who you are". Something needs to be done, and I do not see it happening. Things have only gotten much worse. I hate to sound so negative about this, but it is extremely frustrating to see the steady decline in water service, and nothing is changing. Good luck with the petition. I hope it helps.
LTR , your not negative you are a realist!!

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Frankie, methinks the word you want to use is "pragmatist" and yes, I agree. From LTR though, it's just noise because she doesn't even live here anymore. You, on the other hand, are a local resident, concerned and participating pragmatist! Keep up the good work!

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richard,
realist; a person who accepts a situation as it is and is prepared to deal with it.
pragmatist; a person who is guided more by practical consideration than by ideals.
i am both!  
i thank you for the complementary view of me!

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Okay then, I'll consider you "realistically pragmatic". And along these lines, and your observations on what the "movers and shakers" can do when they want to, have you noticed the resurfacing and new gutter work on the Delfinario road? Yeah, it's nice, but why? What's out there? Well... the defunct Delfinario of course, but more importantly, a small but high end subdivision (Los Arecifes)with apparently "heavy horsepower" residents. Bet they have water too! 

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nothing yet! but there will be! it is part of the marketing plan!

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Richard, I still have several properties in San Carlos, and go down frequently to enjoy my home there, so I am very concerned with the water issues. I am not just noise, I am a concerned property owner that has a voice, like everyone else, and I am not a tourist. I vote in Mexico.



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