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I have heard and read, on Viva, that a "gang" of individuals (male and female) have been committing these acts in and around San Carlos, for the past few months.  Viva has a most active thread on this subject, do not want to promote or cite Viva, but there seems to be ongoing activity and concerns with this issue.  Please beware, lock up and be aware of your surroundings at all times.

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A friend's house in the country club was burglarized 3 days ago. Large items were carried away. A troubling m o is the thieves remove all the items from the freezer (fish shrimp) and place them on the couches and beds. This sounds more like a hate crime. Happened to another person last summer. They did not return to find the mess for two weeks. Had to throw all the beds and furniture away.

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They apprehended a woman and taxi driver 4 days ago known to have committed 5 burglaries in the last 6 months in Country, Royal and 3 in Solimar. They caught her with drugs, so thats all she got charged with. Probably off the street for a year, as she just got out 6 months ago.

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Before two days ago, the most recent burglary in the Country Club was attributed to some construction workers. There was a break-in Thursday night, through a small window, grabbed a wallet and computer while occupants were sleeping. Police claim they have caught the woman doing these things but obviously there is someone else out there doing the same....Lock Up and be safe!!

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The recent burglaries seem to be around the country club and nearby Villa Hermosa. Is that correct?

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And why do we buy these police stickers? As gratitude for a job well done?

Oh yeah, they need to have a good Xmas party. They are underpaid. They need to get their kids gifts.

It just galls me to no end, how they allow scofflaws to operate on the streets, with regards to speeding and running stops signs.

Now, it is our neighborhoods. This "gang" or series of individual hits is able to operate nearly every night, with impunity. Ridiculous.

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Im at Alvarez Apt behind Creston I to was hit. Bottom floor flipped the lock wahile asleep took computer wallet watch etc 8mo ago even beard trimmer in bathroom they are pretty brazen   be carefyl out there

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F-Troop reporting in. We had a visitor about 2 am on Friday night Sat morning. Had my motion detection lights off because of the wind. But he rang the door bell when he open the gate. He got up to pool house area then I turn on lights and yelled at him. I must say he sure can run fast. [wink] He was wearing a light colored coat and when down F.

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Thanks for reporting this, Guzzi.


Clearly, the MO in many of these cases is to ring doorbells or knock on doors to see if people are home. If no answer, the break-in begins.


Really, we can rely on no one but ourselves to deter this. We must remain vigilant for our neighbors and call them if you see someone "casing" their house. Then, just get visible. Take pictures of suspicious people. No law against that. Let them know you are watching.

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vigilance is the key! organize neighborhood watch programs, this is an effect form of deterrence.  there are not enough police to be everywhere at the same time. 

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The MO in the last Country Club break in, was to enter unannounced in the middle of the night while the home owners were sleeping. Lock your windows and doors, they just cut the screen to gain entrance.

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Be careful not to open doors to guys you don't know asking for water. The woman I referred to beat up an old guy at Solimar to rob his TV.

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Like most Mexicans, I really wouldn't consider calling the police, with the level of corruption that exists in municipal police forces in Mexico. It's so bad that one Mexican president recommended disbanding them all, because they are so easily corrupted by money from criminals. So, it matters little how MANY police there are in town, if they are unwilling to do the job they were sworn to do.


I find real irony in seeing a president who wants to build a wall to keep criminal elements out of his country, while rich Mexicans in Mexico build the same thing around their property; complete with broken glass or razor wire along the top. Why do both sides engage in this? Because authority in Mexico is pretty well broken and corrupted and no one can find a solution for it. The perps know it and operate with impunity.


We are on our own. I believe even Cyberco will not enter one of their client's property until the police show up, FIRST. That was their policy a few years ago. Maybe it has changed.

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Rich Americans also build walls around their properties in the US, just as it happens worldwide. I see no irony here.

And, I had an unknown truck parked across my gates on Friday. I called the police and they were there within 20 minutes.

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I guess irony is a subjective thing.

Twenty minutes? You consider that fast in a town this size?

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I find it amazing. I have called them in the past, with no answer. When I went down to the station, the policeman was asleep on the hard wood bench. It is what it is. You are your own best protection.

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Hook wrote: I guess irony is a subjective thing.

Twenty minutes? You consider that fast in a town this size?

Yes, I do.  It wasn't an emergency, only a vehicle parking where it shouldn't be.  In Tucson, there wouldn't even be a response by the police.  Heck, they wouldn't even come when my truck was vandalized in front of my house in Tucson, nor when it was broken into at my office.

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390pony wrote: Hook wrote: I guess irony is a subjective thing.

Twenty minutes? You consider that fast in a town this size?

Yes, I do.  It wasn't an emergency, only a vehicle parking where it shouldn't be.  In Tucson, there wouldn't even be a response by the police.  Heck, they wouldn't even come when my truck was vandalized in front of my house in Tucson, nor when it was broken into at my office.

So, your argument is that there are WORSE police response times in other locations? Somehow, I'm not feeling much better.

I'm betting that IF you had called them and told them there was a break-in going on at your house (instead of a non-emergency call), their response time would have been twice that. The shooting down at the marina is a good example. They took 45 minutes to respond to a location that was three minutes from the police station.

I guess everyone needs to make their own choice;  call or dont call. I'll do what most of the locals do; don't call.

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I've called them twice since living here, and twice they were called by others when my husband had two serious falls. All four times they responded quickly. We do live near the station, but we also always are very friendly with them and treat them well. That may make the biggest difference.

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I feel this thread would be better served, if the focus was on prevention and how to handle any situation that might arise. Prevention meaning any preparation or deterrent that makes ones house a formidable problem for anyone trying to burglarize or rob you.

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I think we have a lot of very poor people in Guaymas who are facing a tighter economy in coming years. If we had the same thing next to any USA population center of older retired people that are easier targets, burglaries would be a problem there too.

I believe that the police respond as fast as they can, from wherever they are patroling. And I also think that we get pretty much in consideration of what we pay for, as a $200 a year property tax bill is a lot less than the $6,000 I pay in California.

Most of us not being able to speak the language correctly, especially under duress, might also have something to do with response times.

My wife was in a fender bender with $5K in damage on an off ramp on Hwy 101 in California 3 years ago, and she waited an hr for a volunteer to show up, as the Ventura PD would not send a paid patrol car at 2 in the afternoon, so everyone has a story, I guess.

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john, my post #10 agrees with you.

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johnmoore wrote: I feel this thread would be better served, if the focus was on prevention and how to handle any situation that might arise. Prevention meaning any preparation or deterrent that makes ones house a formidable problem for anyone trying to burglarize or rob you.
Well, I think it is worth discussing whether calling the police is an option for ".....prevention and how to handle any situation that might arise." 

Some who are ignorant of the ways of the municipal police in Mexico, may have a false sense of security, with respect to their presence. To me, calling them is not an option. Elements of the SC police force were known to have been involved in a burglary ring in several homes in SC. No victim ever got anything back;  gee, I wonder who took possession of all that stuff in police custody? They stonewalled every attempt to have possessions returned, even when people had legitimate proof of ownership. 

Why would I want to call them and have them looking at all my possessions?

There is now word that the woman, after assaulting and robbing some guy in his home, was captured by the police, paid a "fine" (LOL!), was released...........and had begun knocking on doors in the same neighborhood she was captured in. A neighbor who recognized her as the assailant of the neighbor, called the police.

They never showed up. Or so the story goes. Believe what you want.

I dont know what the solution is. You can't arm yourself. You dont dare do anything that might involve yourself in the "legal" system down here. That's a no-win situation. The perps know our fear of that. Yet, they can walk with a "fine". 

Law enforcement is refusing to do anything until she is apparently caught BY THE POLICE , red-handed, even though there are multiple witnesses to her crimes. Yet, their response time is somewhere between time-enough-to-let-the-perp-escape and........... never. 

This woman sounds really dangerous to me. Probably a meth freak. She's going to eventually assault some elderly person and they will end up mortally wounded and nothing will happen.

But the police will continue to drive up and down Beltones with their Xmas tree lit up..............

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Trying to help people get to the point, where that call to the police will not be necessary.

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Not advocating, but you might as well know the law -

Mexicans can legally purchase one handgun (up to cal .38) for home protection, while members of hunting or shooting clubs can acquire up to nine rifles of no more than .30 caliber and shotguns up to 12 gauge.

I don't know about temp or perm residents legally owning a handgun, but I know several perm residents with rifles & shotguns. And several residents with handguns brought here in the '80's and '90's.

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We called the police when some people showed up at our vacant neighbors house at 2am in the morning last year. They were there easily within 10 minutes. We were impressed.

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The problem with firearms is that, even if you possess one legally and use one legally to defend your property, you stand a good chance of ending up in the judicial system down here. And that's NEVER a sure thing. And that's never a cheap thing. And that's never a quick thing. What is "legal" in Mexico is always a moving target; at the whim of the authorities, rather than the letter of the law. I dont think it's worth the risk.


One thing that could work is getting one of the local newspapers in Guaymas involved. If enough victims agreed to be interviewed about how they have identified her during the commission of the crimes, yet the police let her walk, it may put pressure on the mayor and police to actually do something about this.

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A mexican friend of mine spent 2 years in prison, bribed his way out, after shooting a burglar in his home. The guy got out wounded, and the friend put a 3rd bullet into him on the sidewalk outside his home, killing him.

Even a man defending himself with his fists against a woman in his home can be dicey, so its a bad situation if you don't secure your home to prevent burglaries when you are home, and have insurance when there and when you are away.

I sure would like to see the Federal statue that says you can now legally buy a pistol in Mexico for home defense. I have registered many rifles and shotguns for $1 peso each with the military in HMO, but buying, transporting ammo or the arms is still illegal unless you are registered through a gun club for hunting and target practice. So an leniency on pistols is news to me.

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Dogs are a pretty good deterrent.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a way to take a number of the abandoned dogs off the street place them in homes of people who want them as protection, possibly as a rental. Then, if there was some way that they could remain on properties, even when people went NOB for the summer, they could continue to have a bit of a home. A caretaker could rent out dogs and clean up after them, feed them, of course. I think it would be more effective than a security service. And it would kill two birds.

But the logistics would be daunting.


There's two ideas, John. Get the press involved and get the dogs involved.

I'm done complaining about the police. If we cant get them to enforce traffic laws, they certainly arent going to be all over confronting burglars and/or robbers, unless higher-ups force them to. They aint gonna do it because the gringo community is up in arms.

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I'd love to have a pistol here, but if it's every used, you're going to be so screwed it's not worth it. Bring down a large canister of pepper spray, it will deter 99% of any issue's you'll run into here.

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i am a registered gun owner and licensed hunting guide here in mexico!i do not recommend anyone who does not have firearms training to own a gun,  much less to defend themselves with one! 
lets get some facts straight;
* you can own as many registered guns as you want! 
* you can only transport 10 guns at a time
* no military calibers rifles or pistols 
* you can own pistols .22, 38spl., .380, calibers
* to register guns in your name you must be a member of a hunting or gun club

* your transportation permit must be renewed annually
* your club membership renewed annually
* rifles and shotguns and .22 pistols are registered as hunting guns and the transportation permits state that.
* pistols 38spl. and .380 are registered as competition guns and the transportation permits state that 
if your neighborhood is having problems start a neighborhood watch program.
get a dog or dogs!!!!

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This gets weirder all the time. Just read a first person account on Viva, of another home burglary. We (gringos) are a kind and compassionate people, but somewhere along the line, common sense needs to kick in. We seem to be doing things here we would never do at home in the States. With all the exposure this issue has had, we need to be taking some of it to heart, and at the least fortify your homes and don't let strangers in. What is the status of the Office of the Comosario here? Do we have one. If not can an appeal be made to the President of Guaymas to appoint one, either full time or on a temporary basis. With this we would have a place to take our grievances to.

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Hook, What a horrible life for a dog, no human/other dog contact, locked up behind a fence so some gringo can have security....totally disagree, get a security company, they don't poop all over your yard!!!

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It's your home and it's your property.
Dogs, big dogs. and a motion sensor high beam tracking and spotting lighting system set above their height. Perhaps even a claxon horn to go with the spotlights. She may come through or over the fence but once all hell breaks loose in the yard she will move on to better hunting grounds. Your neighbors will thank you as well.

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aligato wrote: Hook, What a horrible life for a dog, no human/other dog contact, locked up behind a fence so some gringo can have security....totally disagree, get a security company, they don't poop all over your yard!!!
The value of a security company is useless, outside of the limited value of a sticker being displayed, if they wont enter your property without the police being there, first. And that's what I've been told, they do. There is no armed guard response from Cyberco, or so the customers I know, claim. They wont confront the perps, or so I am told. In fact, one customer told me that a Cyberco employee told him that their main function was to make sure that the COPS didn't take anything while they were there to investigate. Made sense to me.

OK, then, just let the abandoned dogs in San Carlos die on the street. Shelly and I just took one that died in the street out to the hills this week. It laid there for 24 hours. It had been hit by a car or attacked by something. Blood everywhere. 

I think that's far worse than having a yard to live in and a couple meals each day. Not all dogs get homes and human companionship in Mexico. Look how many Mexicans with vacation homes leave dogs inside their compounds. We've fostered about 15 so far, but many more never get that chance. This idea gave them somewhat better conditions.

There are SOOOO many puppies right now in the Ranchitos that have no homes. The most I've ever seen. So sad, but we can't foster any this year.

I'll concede, there must be better ideas out there than rent-a-dog. I just thought it might be an idea that solved two problems. 

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Worse than that are the inconsiderate dog lovers who let their mutt shit all around the neighborhood and don't pick it up. So we get their shit and their barking, as it doesn't stop at their fence.

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I like the rent a dog idea. A security company with trained dogs. Drop the dogs off in the afternoon and pick them up in the morning. Pick up some of the San Carlos strays, house them, feed them, train them and put them to work. The dogs don't have to be vicious. Just loud.

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Old foul mouth nice guy must have gathered his family around to watch him write crude posts on the San Carlos Forum.....just sends a tickle up his leg. If he sends me a PM, as is his habit, I will post it this time for all to see.

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Just to say that we have some little mutskies locked up behind or in front of a fence. They are alert artists, moreso than most motion lights. They are family,not prisioners but protected by the fence. They are happy and healthy guardians of 3 to 10 pounds. Not big enough? Try entering or crossing our yard without one of us?! These little companions actually improve the outlook of most seniles, plus you will live longer. Ynot

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nice positive post ynot!  most who have dogs love and care for them!

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Seniles or seniors? Or both! Good points Mr. Ynot.

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The lady that was robbing in CC , Royal and Solimar is back on the street as of Monday morning after being let go.

They fined her for the drug possession, but no one came down to sign the reports needed to press robbery charges.

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My wife and I have visited SC for years and are planning on buying a house there. I have often  wondered how residents protect themselves in the event of a home invasion. Now that I have read all of the posts, I still don't know what the best approach would be. I would hate to have pepper spray at a confrontation where the perp has a weapon. What little I know about Mexican justice, I feel than a gun would only add to my problem. I understand the prevention issue, but do residents arm themselves with anything in the event of a potential altercation? 

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You might not get many answers to that as far as firearms down here are concerned. Frank is a hunter and has jumped through the correct hoops. Most all that might possess would never post. Taser, wasp spray, pepper spray?? I'm thinking that most who might face a knife or machete would do what they needed to do with whatever means they might possess legally or illegally and then take their chances with the legal system. But they still have their life. Lets face it, myself included, I ain't as able as I once was, and not as able once as I ever was either, LOL. A good fence with a good alert system, dogs is about the best first line. If you look at locals with "stuff" to resell or yard sale in Empalme and they are not there at night, Rogelio's Welding, Luis Shop with a jillion dollars worth of boats and electronics, you see no guards but a couple dogs and a good fence. Most folks are needy, poor and hungry and use any opportunity. A few of course are "pros". You are probably more safe here than many locations North of Border. Do not let it be a big influence on enjoying San Carlos, just use some common sense. There are many great neighbors that make for great neighborhood watches. Plan a bit and live a lot. Just my opinion. Ynot Ron

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Let me add that my wife and I are from Wyoming and have hunted Teton Wilderness areas many years in Grizzly habitat. We carried bear spray from inception and replaced every couple of years. Never had to use it but avoided confrontations several times. Some use it very successfully. One guide early before daylight near our camp lost his left hand as he dismounted his horse but managed to free his spray and turn the sow before she got him down. We would always try the new cans we bought and also tried the cans we were replacing so they do spray about 30 feet in a pretty dense stream before flaring out to a fog type spray. "They" say it turns a grizzly far faster than a well placed shot in the heart. I can't prove that, but it's nasty stuff. Don't know that I would like facing a gun but anything else I think it would conquer. Just my opinion. Ron 

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Wy Ynot wrote: You might not get many answers to that as far as firearms down here are concerned. Frank is a hunter and has jumped through the correct hoops. Most all that might possess would never post. Taser, wasp spray, pepper spray?? I'm thinking that most who might face a knife or machete would do what they needed to do with whatever means they might possess legally or illegally and then take their chances with the legal system. But they still have their life. Lets face it, myself included, I ain't as able as I once was, and not as able once as I ever was either, LOL. A good fence with a good alert system, dogs is about the best first line. If you look at locals with "stuff" to resell or yard sale in Empalme and they are not there at night, Rogelio's Welding, Luis Shop with a jillion dollars worth of boats and electronics, you see no guards but a couple dogs and a good fence. Most folks are needy, poor and hungry and use any opportunity. A few of course are "pros". You are probably more safe here than many locations North of Border. Do not let it be a big influence on enjoying San Carlos, just use some common sense. There are many great neighbors that make for great neighborhood watches. Plan a bit and live a lot. Just my opinion. Ynot Ron
The thieves want money, jewelry, cell phones,  or tv's that are easier to carry and pawn. Hard to steal a heavy outboard engine from Luis's yard or take the time to dismantle a cheap VHF radio to take off of a boat on a boat, imo.

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Well said Bullshipper. Point was lots of expensive stuff at Luis shop but with his fence and lights and dogs it's a good deterrent. Ron

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Yeah, plus dogs arent capable of letting someone into their house, while requesting water. Que tonto!

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Mana: 
Looks like the road guy, David, got angry with a driver and threw a rock at a car.


He was arrested. Funny, I thought the police had to catch someone in the act to arrest them. That's how the lady robber has managed to avoid many arrests fewer than crimes she has committed.


Or did the driver actually file the infamous police report?



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