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Friday night meeting friends for dinner at Sunset.

First time in 6+ years had to pay 20 pesos access , they were very aggressive in enforcing and chased me down to get it at the Restaurant !

I am informed the charge is for security and road maintenance - but the fine print on the back of the ticket excludes all liability for cars contents etc !!

The 20p is not the point for some reason it really irks me to pay to access an establishment where we will spend significant $- if the restaurants were to put up a sign saying it would be refunded when you pay your dinner bill it might take the sting out a bit. As it is the feeling is they don't want our business !

The impression I get is the 4 establishments out there are behind this , consequently they have lost my business and likely that of any friends I advise where to go.
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I guess you lucked out - it used to be 50 pesos.

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LOL !
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Supposedly if you have a business card of the owners of the restaurants there, the fee is waved.

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Ian, the business's out there have nothing to do with the charging, in fact, they have been fighting it . This is being done solely by the Coppel family company that now owns the property out there. A lot of folks get mad, and turn around. The beach business's are losing money because of this.
The kid with the cheesey mustache threatend to spray me with pepper spray one day because I didn't want to pay, I just drove over his cone and went in. Like you said, it's not the money, it's the principal that you are going to one of the business to spend money.
If you really think about it though, 20 pesos is only about 1.10 usd at todays exchange rate. That is O.K. by me to sit and relax at my favorite Beach Bar. Just try going to the beach in San Diego or anywhere else in the States, minimum of 10.00 to park anyplace close.

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it ALSO really irks me to pay to access an establishment where we will spend significant $ I will not go!

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We were asked to pay $30 pesos on Friday!

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i have always told them i live next door and that i am never charged, they smile and wave me through! it works for me! i do live at puesta del sol next door!

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If it is the restaurants charging this fee, it is one thing, if it is the land owner, Coppel, it is another. Also pedestrian access to the beach cannot be obstructed, but autos can. Coppel has every right to charge. I don't like it either, but we do have choices. Maybe the bars should pay a flat fee to accommodate their patrons.

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MM - point well taken.

Glad to know not the first to take out the shiny cone !! :)

Reason I thought the establishments are either behind or cooperating is the printing on the ticket !

Equally neither Lisa or Frank was handy to ask and the management I spoke with could not explain the charge.

Maybe a clear sign "Parking 20p " in English and Spanish applied to all except workers would be better !

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They tried doing this several years ago, and after a while, stopped, because it was hurting business. Coppell didn't own it then. I would think that Frank, Lisa, and the other owners could influence this by reimbursing the patron when they pay their bill. But then again, At Sunset, it was the first time I ever went to a restaurant and was charged for my ketchup. So there you go, all a learning process. If I feel I am being nickel and dimed, I go elsewhere. Prices are high enough as it is at these places, they could certainly afford to give it back to their clients on the bill.

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If you are complaining about high prices in San Carlos quit going out.These business' charge a fraction of what is charged in the sates, and they have to pay labor and rent all week with very few customers, hoping that their weekend sales pick up enough to pay that loss back and yield wages for them to also live on.

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Bullshipper, I only made a statement. I was not complaining about anyones prices, just making a statement. During the summer, that beach is busy all day everyday. The mexicans love the area, and frequent it with their families on vacation.

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long time resident wrote: Bullshipper, I only made a statement. I was not complaining about anyones prices, just making a statement. During the summer, that beach is busy all day everyday. The mexicans love the area, and frequent it with their families on vacation.
My statement wasn't aimed at you as you clearly recognized that the Coppels have costs that they have to cover when they give access. They are a rich family that would probably be sued by users on their ground if something serious happened. By providing security guards and some control on who enters and leaves, they are being prudent in their good will management of their ground, while allowing access to the public, that the government probably has not yet designated, or spent any money to clean and patrol.
If you use the area, you pay a $1 per carload to drink, swim and carry on. But there is no cost to those that do not want to join in the livations, and to me that is a fair solution as its almost $3 person to enter el Soldado.

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At Estero del Soldado, you get kayak tours, etc. And, you are supporting the conservation of a protected area. In my view there is no comparison between the Coppel property and Estero del Soldado.

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I am not saying that $3 is too much either and I really think that complaining about a $1 per carload is taking this too far.

Like you say this is apples and oranges as no one donated the ground to the Coppel's, fenced their property for free, help pay their taxes, provide them free personel, collect the garbage, or hold them safe from lawsuits.

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Interesting.  When we asked what the fee was for they told us it was to clean the beaches.  We mentioned to the young man that it was illegal in Mexico to restrict access to beaches but, of course, he only works there.  

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Lasninas, read # 9. concerning access.

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When the Paradiso hotel was still open perhaps many of you will remember that there was a public access entrance just east of the main entrance to the beach where they now charge the fee.

From what I understood from Joep, the ex owner of the Paradiso, the reason there was access was because if he didn't allow a public access to the beach he could not legally charge anyone for access through the main entrance.

So if you ever used that public access entry you found that it would allow you to drive to the beach and you could park right next to the Costa del Mar and then you would have to walk the rest of the way to the bars.

When the Coppel family bought the property they got rid of the public access. Now is this legal? I don't really think it is legal what they are doing but they are doing it non the less.

Joep was a stickler for the law because as many of us know when you are business owner in San Carlos, especially a business owner with a big property like that you become a huge target for shakedowns and you try to not get fined.

Coppel have far deeper pockets and thus can most likely get away with what they want as opposed to what is legal.

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They will allow you to walk through without charging. The law is on their side. They do not have to allow cars onto their property. They can not deny pedestrians walking.....

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there are 3 gates at paradiso. the original entrance, the one now used and a 3rd one just east of the one now used. that was open for awhile, with no guards. it is now locked.the liter from the bajia to paridiso comes primarily from the late night patrons of the bars on the beach! if we are to be charge some of that money should go to cleaning up the road! it looks like a dump!!!!!!

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Totally agree.



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