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I've been gone for awhile but was wondering if anyone has heard anything new regarding airline service from Phoenix or Tucson to Guaymas.......   saw the write up by What's Up San Carlos but nothing after their article.    Hope it has not "died on the vine" as it would be a great alternative to driving.

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You know, if the RUMORS about a January start date were true, don't you think the investors would have been investing in some advertising that some of us would have seen, by now? January is a week away.

In the meantime, people are buying advance tickets on all the bus lines that would also service this route. They are losing customers if it is a January start-up.
It's doesn't give me much faith in their business plan and long-term survivability, if this is how they start.
In the 21st Century, you gotta create a buzz!!!!

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How true, Hook !! WE'll be with some "movers and shakers" this weekend and I'll check our their outlook too.

I agree everything looked so promising and then "nothing" !! Buses are not that bad but our grandson, and his family, have a 2 year old and sitting on a bus from Phoenix would not be her idea of "having fun".

Thanks again for your response...... H

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I talked to one of the investors a few weeks ago and he said that Feb. was more realistic.

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volaris is flying form phx to guy for $199 one way. steep,but in an emergency I would pay it.

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I think you meant Phoenix to Hermosillo right? I checked online and prices vary by day. Jan 12 was $113 for example which is reasonable I think.

As far as flights to Guaymas, I will believe it when it happens.

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Family just flew in on Volaris on Tuesday from Phoenix to Hermosillo for about $260 round trip.  This was booked several months ago.  Checked the price about 2 weeks ago and it had dropped to $220.  The flights are only on Tuesdays and Saturdays on a 737.  Plane that brought family was almost full, maybe 8-10 empty seats.  

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I think that's pretty reasonable for a flight to/from HMO to Phoenix. PHX is a much better hub to be catching flights in and out of, from all parts of the world, too.

Especially this time of year. Just had a friend ride Tufesa up and the combination of the BH checkpoint AND the border tacked on another 3+ hours. Coming back, he was driving his visiting families' car. Getting through the tourist visa line at K21 took ANOTHER 3 hours.

So, basically, the bus up and back takes a total of 24 hours. Whereas, I assume the flight takes about an hour and a half for a total of 3 hours?

How much would you pay to avoid 21 hours of travel time? Eliminate the Christmas delays at k21 and you are still gaining about 18.5 hours.

I think the buses charge about 65.00US each way, to Guaymas.

I think the taxi/bus combo from HMO to Guaymas is about 15.00, no? Figure another 2.0 hours x 2 for 4 hours, assuming you cant get someone to drive and pick you up in HMO?

So, the premium to fly is around 160.00, maybe. I would pay that to avoid the extra 14.5 hours.

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Flying only Tue or Sat is pretty restrictive for a lot of schedules. And why not get the FMM at the border in minutes and skip the 3 hr line at K21.

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Yes, it's restrictive, but I doubt that the Guaymas flights will be much more frequent. Just no demand to support it. Fortunately, we are a retirement town, where the day of the week is not that important. I often forget what day of the week it is.
Good point, on the FMM right at the border. I'll mention that option to my friend. He seems to be driving relatives down on a regular basis, especially during holidays.

Can you get the FMM at the border at the Mariposa crossing? IF you can, are you then forced to drive through Nogales, MX.?

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Yes FMM at border , reverse back few feet and make turn to drive up hill. Very easy , can also do declaration there normally very quickly.  NO need to go downtown - although I prefer it !

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Tufesa bus makes it to Phoenix in 9 hours if you take it at 2:00 pm from Guaymas.  At Benjamin Hill it usually takes about 15 to 20 mins. and at the Border it usually takes about 15 to 20 mins.  At that time of the day there usually isn't any buses in front of us.  At that time of the day the bus only stops in Hermosillo. Nogales and Tucson.  The buses at night take a lot longer to get there as they spend a lot longer at Benjamin Hill and in Nogales.

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The proposed flights from Phoenix to Guaymas were touted as being a sure thing. What happened?

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Sure , it was a thing ..........  :)

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Maybe economics happened. The PHX-HMO flight is sometimes at 85.00/ one way. Add two hours and about 15-20.00 for a bus to Guaymas and it is going to be tough to compete with that.

Heard they also are adding/have added a Thursday flight. This is Volaris. I believe the flight leaves HMO at around 12:30pm which means no need to spend the night in HMO to catch an early flight. Easy drive up during daylight, too, if you can convince a neighbor to do it.

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I work for American. When the company was flying the Dash-8 turboprop from Phoenix you Guaymas, the load factor was less than 30%. The ticket price was high enough that the flight broke even. When the turboprops went away and the 50 seat jets took over the route, it lost money on almost every flight. I enquired about the possibility of that rout starting up again and was basically told "not a chance."

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The USAir PHX/GYM flight was actually operated by Mesa Air and their Dash-8 planes. Maybe Now that AA owns USAir, and they have deeper pockets, they might once again contract with Mesa Air and promote the flight more in order to sell more seats. IMO, The key to success is in promotion and partnering with Guaymas/San Carlos hotels.

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The CEO of US Airways is now the CEO of American. Doug Parker is a very conservative guy and will not let a route continue that is losing money. He is really cleaning house at American. I do agree that if the hotels and charter companies could come up with a proposal to make the flights profitable, the airline might consider it. Sky West is now the operator of our 50 seat jets and that company is even more expensive than Mesa. It would probably take 25-30 people on each flight to break even, maybe 1 or 2 less with the low jet fuel prices. It would take a lot of work to get air service back to Guaymas.

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Read this from Tucson news.
http://m.tucson.com/news/local/article_23d1a196-c408-585a-a891-365ae09ea202.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share&id=201408&mobile_touch=true

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Great News!!!

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That is great news, will be wonderful for the Guaymas/San Carlos area. Anyone know what airline will provide the service?

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Don't be surprised if it is Sky West, which provides regional service for United, American, Delta and Alaska airlines in the western US. Hopefully, it will be under one of these major carrier banners which will allow frequent flyer miles to accumulate. While this only amounts to 200 seats per week with the smaller CJ200 aircraft, if successful it can develop into service with larger aircraft, which Sky West flies. According to the news article, the formal announcement will come later this month.  Standby........

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The article indicated that the demand will come from clients of the maquiladoras in Guaymas and Empalme. These folks are not going to care that much about super cheap air fares. Still, it is a positive development and will give tourists a different option.

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The question is, "what airline is offering this service"? So far no one can answer this very basic question. Until we know that, it remains in the category of rumor.

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I am one of those maquiladoras clients. Where price is really not an issue time is.
When I fly American into HMO from Phoenix it takes me an hour and 20 minutes to rent a car and be at the hotel in Guaymas.
If I have to sit in the airport in HMO for an hour I have wasted part of my day. So the timing of the flights is very important to me.
Would much rather be sitting at Hammerheads sipping Margaritas than waiting for the connecting 20 minute flight.

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I totally agree with Richard, until this air service has a name, in that business, it's all rumor.

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twinscrewzz, that was my point. Business travel will keep this afloat and time and convenience is more important to the business traveler. I would be very surprised if the fares are low and tourist travel would not keep it going anyway.

Of course this all depends on the rumor becoming reality.

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Very cool indeed.

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Based on the information provided in the article, I predict the airline is Delta. 

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Many people are excited about this. One of the main issues will be the fares. If the fare is reasonable, then there are many people that will use the service. Hence the seats will fill up. If it is expensive, then they will only get the business travelers. No international flights into Guaymas, has really killed the foreign investment in real estate in San Carlos. We have all felt the economic downturn over the years. This is a great opportunity for the community to once again thrive. Family members and friends will have an easier way to come down, less time consuming, and less hassle. The unavailability of flights has hurt the economy tremendously. In Tucson, it is not a rumor.

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I would guess SkyWest.

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one of the articles said appox $400 rt from phoenix or Tucson to guaymas. that's insane.totally unaffordable. many other scenic areas in mx with ocean breezes,more affordable real estate and much better maintained infrastructure. ie:reliable water... for a lot less $.good for an emergency if you have an emergency that doesn't require advance planning. lol nothing appealing about this except for the business traveler. and they usually do not pay for their ticket,their employer does.love san carlos,but it wouldn't be my first choice if I had a 'do over'

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This is round trip from Los Angeles to Hermosillo.  Air travel is not cheap.  From Phx or Tucson to Guaymas for $400 or less seems pretty reasonable to me.  How often would one be doing this?  This appears to be a good deal and a viable option.  I think, at this price, it would be a great boon to the area.  
$1,219.97 USD, AeroMexico, mas o menos  Los Angeles to Hermosillo, round trip.

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I think tickets at around $400 round trip won't be really appealing to MX people looking for a quick trip to Tucson Mall for the weekend (as the article suggests) but it will for sure have an impact and make it a lot easier for bussiness travelers.

I know for sure that everytime I go to the Airport in Hermosillo, flights are full with most of the times bussiness people making the drive down to Guaymas anyways.

Might sound convenient for a short trip but at $400 dlls each that's about $30K pesos for a family of 4, that most people will probably pass on. At least I know I would much rather spend that money into something I can keep.

Air travel ain't cheap but just for a comparison, and using Aeromexico as a reference per Bombero's example above, round trip from Houston IAH to Hermosillo is about $500 dlls, and out of that, the expensive part comes from the connection flight from MTY to HMO.

I have flown on Aeromexico, from IAH to MTY for under $100 dlls (one way) before.

Another option back there is vivaerobus, which even though I don't really care for anymore, still offers flights at $60 for the same MTY - IAH route. Now that's real budget flying.

I can assure you with tickets on that level people does use it for short weekend trips. Flights were always full, every time I used it.

P.S. The reason I chose MTY - IAH is distance, we have around 330 miles from Tucson to Guaymas VS 460 miles from Houston to Monterrey.

Still good news tough, let's hope it brings new visitors to town!

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bombero wrote: This is round trip from Los Angeles to Hermosillo.  Air travel is not cheap.  From Phx or Tucson to Guaymas for $400 or less seems pretty reasonable to me.  How often would one be doing this?  This appears to be a good deal and a viable option.  I think, at this price, it would be a great boon to the area.  
$1,219.97 USD, AeroMexico, mas o menos  Los Angeles to Hermosillo, round trip.

Wow $1219.97 round trip. Phoenix to Hermosillo round trip with no advanced purchase cost me $581.00 American Airlines. Well skywest on a Canada air regional jet. Seating is 2 rows of 2. They go out twice a day at 11:00 and 12:00 $50/day for a rental car and $60/day for a hotel.

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Twinscrewzz, then I would think the new proposed fares, you would be all over. Manual, when I have considered the new airline and fares, my reasoning is based on U.S. and Canadian citizens, that either want to vacation here in San Carlos, or have homes here, and call this home. I realize it is not for the average weekender going north or south, being Mexican or US, that would be an expensive weekend, but for those of us that are here, and have guests in this would be a viable option.

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With a little advance planning, 14 days that flight from Phoenix to HMO is under $250.00 round trip. If the flight to Guaymas is an additional $50.00 I'm thinking a group of Guys wanting to do a weekend fishing would find it attractive as well.

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I put a post up on Airliners.net, but I didn't get any responses from anyone truly in the know.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6627294/



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Odwyerpw, I just read your posting on the airliners.net blog. Thank you! If this service to GYM from PHX and TUS were fact, i.e. that the permits have been issued, then you would have shaken out the name of the airline. Based on this, I am therefore, still of the opinion that this is in the category of RUMOR.

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Still just hearsay and rumor as I have no facts but.... a good friend of mine works for Homeland Security and stated to me as a fact that there was a meeting between them, the airline(no I don't know which), and TIA officials about the new international flights.

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Read the news article linked in post 19 of this thread. Permits have been issued and this is far more than rumor. The politicos, state and local, will make the announcement.

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http://paradiseairclub.com/portfolio/paradise-air/

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Thanks for the link! Looks like it will actually happen. Fare info available in March with flights starting in May.

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So it's Paradise AirClub through CalJet via XtraAir or some other wet-lease partner.
I was skeptical a tour operator could put together that kind of Private Sector / Public Sector support, but it looks like they've done it. They've disclosed it on their website. 
Just waiting for CalJet to disclose who they are actually using to operate the flights, as they don't own any planes either (unless this CRJ200 is their entry into flying their own metal and all that it entails).

A congratulations is in order for giving it a shot!

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Do not want to be the downer, but I find this iffy, and am worried that if it is not an established carrier with some real meat in the game, this could come and go quickly.

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And I'm concerned the web announcement is dated Aug 2015 and what is this membership business they talk about?? Some of the things claimed on their site do not track with what I understand to be reality. Checking my sources...
I'll withhold judgement until the formal announcement.

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Bart, could be the deal is still a go, but this is not it.

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Bart,
Good find. Website modified in Aug 2015 slipped by me.May not be these guys at all.
Nevertheless, something's going to happen. Can't imagine two mayors and two airport oficials, each N y S o B commenting for the STAR if something were not eminent.
Peter

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This is an interesting clue as to airline. It says that in the "Escala" on board magazine for Aereolitoral, the regional AreoMexico line, they include Guaymas as a destination. They fly the Embraer ERJ-145

http://www.fsmex.com/foros/showthread.php?t=2237

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Hmmm...doesn't Delta own 49% of AeroMexico? Interesting!

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The link above goes to posts on a forum that are dated in 2004. Does not seem relevant.

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RB is bound and determined that service is going to be by a Mexican flag carrier, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sorry about that....

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Aeromexico use to fly out of Guaymas to Tucson and Phoenix but ended after 9/11

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We cleared customs in Guaymas this afternoon. I asked the guy behind the counter about the air service. He brought out a book and showed me that  Paradise Air was starting operation in April. The service is also under a different name, can't remember it off hand. But the airport here is all set up for the service to start in April. That's what I know.

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quagmire,was that other name either CalJet, Paradise-sands, or XtraAir?

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It was Paradise Air operating as Caljet.



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