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Posted: Thu Aug 26th, 2010 07:08 pm |
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Have a 23 sailboat for sale...when it sells....what does the new owner need to tow it back to the states. I have a TIP and titles are to trailer and boat are in states. Any direction would be great. thanks
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Posted: Thu Aug 26th, 2010 11:24 pm |
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You need to clear the TIP-the buyer can't do it. He can bring back to the US on a bill of sale. Title to the boat? Where is it titled? Bart
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 12:27 am |
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Thanks for the help....I have the TIP in Oregon along with the title for boat and trailer. When it wells I can fax a bill of sale to the new owner and mail the titles. I can clear the TIP when I come down in November i guess...and that is done at Km 21 correct? Do you think that will be ok? Mike
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 03:27 am |
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To do this right, you need to accompany the boat to KM 21 to clear the TIP. Rest sounds ok but do the title transfers need to be notarized? If so that will need to happen in the USA. It can be done in Mexico but it is a hassle. If I were the buyer, I'd tell you to meet me at a bank in Nogales, Az with boat, trailer, cleared TIP and all paperwork and get the bank or other notary to witness the sale and notarize all the docs. That way if your buyer is a resident of another state like AZ where boats are registered but not titled, they will have all the paperwork they need to title the trailer and register the boat. If, for the sake of discussion, the buyer wants to document the vessel with USCG (I would), you will need to provide a USCG bill of sale and that must be notarized. Form is available on line at http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/ Bart Last edited on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 03:41 am by bartmanaz |
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 05:38 am |
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Thanks Bart for taking the time to help me out here.... .....that is good news and bad news.....sounds like I cant sell it unless I can be there....Dang....in Oregon all yoiu need is a bill of sale and title and your good no notary needed. So to release the TIP the boat must be present at km21? Mike
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 06:02 am |
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Technically speaking I don´t think the boat needs to go to 21k to change the TIP. I think you can go to the port captain and pay a fee and have them change it for you right there.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 06:11 am |
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If the buyer doesnt need a TIP and I just need to clear it....you think I can just do that with port captain in San Carlos? Mike
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 07:44 am |
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all i can tell you is that a lot of large boats change hands in san carlos and those boats certainly do not go up to 21k for new, TIP´s
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 12:39 pm |
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FYI--- I don't believe many sailboats in the 25 foot range would meet this criteria. A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of certain oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S. Top of Page Top of Page Marine Safety Center's Tonnage Last edited on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 12:41 pm by ezmony |
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 01:06 pm |
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ezmony Member
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"thats a 20 footer"---------"25, 3 ton of em". ( now that might get ya to thinkin). Last edited on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 01:07 pm by ezmony |
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 02:26 pm |
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Is the TIP the old non-computerized version or the new one? Are you planning to buy another boat to have in Mexico? Bart Last edited on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 02:26 pm by bartmanaz |
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 03:55 pm |
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looks like the old type but they were using a computer entering info when I got it two years ago. Yes I am planning on buying a sailboat in san carlos
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Posted: Fri Aug 27th, 2010 06:53 pm |
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Then I would make sure the current TIP is properly cleared. If you can get that done in SC-wonderful. If someone can advise how to do this properly and cleanly in SC, please tell how. Bart
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Posted: Sat Aug 28th, 2010 03:07 am |
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I will do that thanks to all for your help...sure appreciate it!
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Posted: Sat Aug 28th, 2010 03:28 pm |
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You might check with the Office at Marina San Carlos. In the past they have handled TIP transfers for a minimal fee.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28th, 2010 06:16 pm |
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Thanks I will check in to that...
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Posted: Sun Aug 29th, 2010 12:33 am |
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mesa Member
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Check with Sea of Cortez Yachts at Marina San Carlos. Selling boats is their business and they know more about the procedures than anyone else around here. They are friendly and helpful. The people in the marina office are great people but transfering boats is not their business and they may get things wrong.
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Posted: Sun Aug 29th, 2010 12:52 am |
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I did contact them and they said about the same thing as metioned above. Thanks for the tip
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Posted: Tue Aug 31st, 2010 03:08 am |
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John S Member
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Sailfast You might consider just giving the buyer a "Captain's letter" authorizing him to sail the boat, move the boat, etc. and then he should be able to take it to the border. If it is Oregon Title you can download an Oregon bill of sale and sign it, have it notarized if the buyer feels more secure. You can get a "Captain's Letter" (in English with Spanish translation)quite easily Bart's suggestion for USCG documentation is well advised, but this boat would be too small to fit into the USCG requirements for documentation, so that would not apply in this case. If you want to buy another boat in San Carlos you certainly want to look into documentation for yourself. Charlie at Sea of Cortez Yachts can help with that A lot of this depends on where the buyer wants to register the boat, as different states have different requirements. It's a lot different to register a boat in Arizona, which is done without a title being issued and goes through Arizona Fish and Game, and say California, where you have to deal with the Department of Motor Vehicles. So you want to check with your buyer and see what his state's requirements are. Even of he wants to keep it in Mexico, he will need to re-register it in the US and then apply for a TIP Some states require notarized signatures, and some don't, so you want to find out what buyer needs. Needless to say, no Mexican notary endorsements are recognized in US. Have to go to a US Consulate in Hermosillo if you need a notary, unless some US Notary in San Carlos is willing to notarize which we all agree is not 'legal' in the true sense of the word but sometimes done Of course if it's a 23 ft trailer sailboat you will have 2 titles or 2 registrations, one for boat, one for trailer Hope this helps, good luck with your sale
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Posted: Tue Aug 31st, 2010 05:57 am |
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Thanks John, This is all making sense now. When I get a buyer I will give him al this advise and help him or her out as best I can. Thanks so much...emailed Charlie and he said the same thing pretty much. So now its time to get selling. Mike
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