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 Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2017 02:25 am
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Steverhnm
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Just a heads up to my fellow sailors and mariners.  When you buy a boat from the local broker here in San Carlos they may be remiss in telling you that YOU need to get the old TIP from the previous owner and get it cancelled before or when you get your new TIP.  


It has been said (not sure how true it is) the previous TIP is adequate until you get your papers.  That may be why they don't cancel it as part of the sale, as it can take weeks or more complete a sales transaction and months to get Coast Guard papers.  However, you should be sure to get the ORIGINAL TIP from the seller and keep it in your possession or ideally on the boat.  My previous owner was not told by the broker either that he was responsible for giving me the TIP, he assumed it was taken care of by the broker.  Hope we can find it....
 
Sooo... I pay my money, do the transaction in the states, which takes quite awhile, get my CG papers (registration - some call it a title).  I am still in the US, because I need to work to pay the bills for a little while longer.  In an effort to comply with Mexico's laws, I then use the new "Banjercito Online TIP Request service to get the new TIP.  Quite easy, quick and painless I must say.  Arrives at my house via DHL.  However, Now there are two TIPs outstanding on the same boat.  Since Mexico did not say anything, I assumed it was free and clear.
 
As I stated in an earlier post on this forum, Fast forward ten years (for my friend).  I have a friend that has this problem as well and the previous owner is nowhere to be found, nor is the previous TIP.  He can't sell his boat because the previous TIP is still outstanding. Interesting.  This has been an adventure for him, and he lost a sale because of it.  At least I am fortunate enough to have access to the previous owner at this time.
 
So just beware, if you buy a boat in Mexico, YOU need to be sure to get the previous owner's TIP and surrender it when you apply for yours.  I will be working on clearing my previous owner's TIP, I will keep you informed on the logistics.  

Oh, by the way, has anyone else had this experience?  If so, how did you handle it?

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 Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2017 11:20 pm
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So really, 130 views and nobody has ever cancelled a TIP on a large boat?

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Any updates on this process?  I'm thinking of buying a boat in San Carlos and need to get this right.
I had heard that there was some red tape or illegality about selling boat "in" Mexico.  Typically foreign sales are made technically in another country (i.e. the money changes hands in the US or elsewhere),  but that it is a gray area and could raise questions when changing the TIPs.  I had also heard that it is illegal to have two active TIPs on one boat at the same time.  Any information about this?

As an aside in this process, someone said that you should have a "Captain's Note" from the old owner until the old TIP is cancelled.   This is the same type of permission that might be given to a delivery skipper to say he/she has a right to be sailing the boat.

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 Posted: Fri May 5th, 2017 10:48 pm
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First of all, I am not an expert, just a guy that has been through it, sharing info. For expert advice I recommend seeing one of the boat brokers in San Carlos. That being said...

While I am sure it used to be that you could only have one TIP per person, I think they may be changing it.  There should never be two TIPs on one boat.  If you had a handwritten TIP, it is most likely you are not in the computer system but I hear they keep pretty good records down at Banjercito in Guaymas. I know getting a TIP on the Internet, sent to your home via DHL, is extremely easy.  Mexico is getting much more "interconnected" these days via computerization of records.  So if something is on a computer written record, I would be attentive to its "status".  You are responsible for getting the TIP and you can't do it until you have the title transferred to your name. The previous owner is responsible for closing out his old TIP (but you will suffer if he does not). I would suggest he does not close it until you get your clear title and apply for yours and get it. That way the boat is never without a TIP. Give a copy of the TIP to the storage location and keep it on your boat.

Regarding purchasing the boat. If you "purchaser in Mexico" you will be paying an import tax, you won't need a TIP, and I have no clue as to the actual ramifications of being a citizen of a foreign country owning a boat titled in Mexico. I would not do it unless you were living there permanently.

Typically the transaction is performed in the US, between two US citizens, using a US escrow agent, i.e., Pacific Maritime, and the USCG Documentation number transferred to the new owner as part of the title transfer. You get a Captain's letter" in the meantime while the transaction is taking place. It is a transaction in the USA, you take delivery "offshore" (in San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico), keep it offshore for 180 days, and you don't have to pay taxes or register in a state (avoiding state registration fees and taxes. I recommend this route, as they search for liens, and boats are notorious for liens from marinas for unpaid slip or work fees. My boat had liens that were shown as paid (almost $8K) at one point in San Diego. If it get brought to the US and there is a lien, you will be sorry...

Regarding a Captain's Note... Anytime you are captain of a boat on the water and you are not the owner of record, you need a "Maritime Letter of Permission", both in English and Spanish stating you are allowed to have the boat in your possession. Basically it should be both languages on one page, states that "owner of vessel, vessel name, USCG# authorizes (the person using the boat) permission to act as captain, grant full authority to move, repair, or take any other action or use the boat as he/she desires in Mexican water for a period of xx months ending xx date. Signed and dated by owner, preferably notarized. They love official stamps.

It's pretty simple, those are the words almost verbatim from mine. If you are uncomfortable with that, again, a local broker can help. Don't go out without one, the Mexican Navy can and may stop you out there.

So there you have it, if you have additional questions regarding a TIP, I would talk to Silvia at the Marina San Carlos, she is pretty darn savvy on the TIP situation down there, or you can PM me...

Last edited on Fri May 5th, 2017 10:54 pm by Steverhnm

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 Posted: Fri May 12th, 2017 04:04 am
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I sold my cg documented sportfisher located in lapaz to a Mexican national last year. The broker took my TIP to the port captain and had it canceled of which I got a copy. Boat was sold "offshore". If sold to another American he would have simply taken a bill of sale and forward to cg. After getting his doc he could then apply for new TIP.

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