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I will be in San Carlos in early February and will need some new goodies for my boat. In particular, I need a roll-up inflatable dinghy and outboard, new safety gear, and upgrades in some items to make the boat ready for a Pacific crossing, and I will need local and Pacific paper charts.

Is there a good marine chandlery in the area? When bringing gear in from the US (I fly into LA on 8th Feb), is there a tax concession at say, West Marine, and again at the border for yachts in transit? If not, at what percentage is import tax levied?

Having never been to San Carlos before, I am not sure of what to expect, although this website appears to be a great resource.

I'm looking forward to meeting locals, getting stuck into the local tucker, and enjoying a good break before heading back across the ocean to Oz and SE Asia.

David

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Aaaa I'm missing something. Where is your boat if you've never been here.....

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David:

Not sure you have the right San Carlos. Data for this San Carlos:

Location: 15 Km Northwest of Guaymas, Sonora, Mexico on the Gulf of California, also known as the Sea of Cortez.

Latitude/Longitude: 27° 56'N 111° 03'W

Do you have us confused with the San Carlos on the Pacific coast of Baja?

To answer your question, you will be far better off to get your needed items in the US-less expensive and better selection. Once they are on the boat, they become part of the boat and no separate duty or tax on those items when entering Mexican waters.

Where is the boat now?

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Hi, and thanks for your reply. The boat is currently in San Carlos, Sonora. I need a few bits and pieces but, most notably, a new dinghy and outboard. I had hoped there may be a decent chandlery either in San Carlos, Guaymas or Hermosillo to avoid the need for several trips north to Phoenix or the Pacific coast.

When I fly in to the US, I have booked a couple of days stay in a hotel near West Marine in Phoenix so that I can do a bit of local shopping before heading south across the border.

Thanks again and any advice you can offer will be well received.

Cheers
David.

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How are you traveling from Phoenix to SC?

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You can often find a lot of stuff here used from other boaters. I know that Garth has several dingy, and maybe motors. There is a boaters swap meet the first Saturday of every month, so stuff can be had if you are patient. If you want new, then yes get it in the States.

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I expect to travel via bus. I haven't explored the possibility of car hire, but I imagine there may be a benefit if I have much to bring in with me.

I still can't deduce if there are any tax concessions for yachts in transit as exist in many other parts of the world.

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The swap meet sounds like fun. Thanks for the advice.

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Is the next swap meet going to be on Saturday February 2nd?

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The dingy and outboard can be brought in duty free as sporting goods. Other stuff will depend on what you are bringing. I would suggest you announce your travel plans here in advance and you may be able to catch a ride down to SC with your gear. No yacht in transit tax concessions that I am aware of, but there are other concessions like sporting goods.

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Well have we sailed off into the sunset yet??? Inquiring minds you know.

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As for me, no, I have not yet weighed anchor and set sail. Nor do I expect to do so, for some little time yet. I am currently in Phoenix, having just arrived from SE Asia as I had forecast.

Currently, and purely to satisfy your inquiring mind, I am buying requisite items and enjoying some fine steaks following a year's diet which almost universally included rice and pork.

From a sailing viewpoint, should you need to investigate further, you may wish to view the international Cruiser Log Forum and update yourself on my movements. I moderate there under the name 'Auzzee'. My plans have also been revealed through the pages of the excellent US sailing Mag, Cruising World.

Meanwhile I wonder if now, you might consider the question I originally asked, for it would help me greatly to receive advice on chandleries from a local expert.

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Well---FYI there is still ONE chandlery here and  they can,and will, get you anything your little heart desires.

And no there is no free duty on anything for your boat, and you will get charged in excess of 15% duty on anything the Aduana deems taxable.

In my humble but expert opinion.

"Sail on-Sail on-Sailer"

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Thank you for your response. However, 'what my little heart desires' is accuracy. Coincidentally, I have just received a notification regarding tax free imports to Mexico and, ezmony, your advise is seriously flawed.

Items for boats which are genuinely for repairs and maintenance and generally required items for safe passage can be brought in duty free to Mexico. A laptop and golf clubs would not qualify, but an EPIRB and AIS would.

It requires that the boat owner has a Temporary Import Permit for the vessel (very inexpensive and valid for 10 years). The TIP tells authorities the boat is effectively in transit. The import is done at the point of the entry of the goods; whether that is at the border or at Hermisillo airport.

A document from a marina or boatyard, confirming the items are legitimately required for the boat will help the import process. This puts a degree of responsibility on the boatyard which guarantees veracity.

The means whereby goods can be imported legitimately appear quite simple and are well documented.

For those who are refitting or updating the systems on their boats this is good news and generally mirrors the customs' requirements of most seafaring nations.

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"a document from a marina or boatyard" I believe that to be a Mexican marina or boat yard? There may be the "fly in the ointment". Suerte.

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Why so cynical? I don't think large, professional boatyards in Mexico will be different in policy from their peers in Thailand, France, India, Greece or Sydney.
Given the quality of your advice to date, I feel I should doubt your assessment of local San Carlos marine professionals.

My limited experience with them to date has been harmonious, respectful and I believe, honest.

My experience is boatyards only tend to rip-off people who have tried to do the same to them.

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Boy a little information is dangerous.

IF you are in PHX and the boat is here, you need detailed documentation regarding the vessel/equipment from the marina/storage facility here. There inlies a potential problem. The Aduana is going to want to see this documentation
when you bring you're stuff across the boarder, lest he demand tax compensation.

And I'm not being cynical, just pragmatic.

Suerte.

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Okay let me put this as simply as I can.

I will be at my boat in San Carlos.
I will audit the requirements for a Pacific crossing.
I will order the goods from West Marine or Defender.
I will go to the marina manager and sit down with him to drink a coffee and discuss the items I have ordered.
I will seek his confirmation that the goods are for the purpose of enabling a safe passage.
I will ask him to provide me with a document to that effect.
I will then import the goods and provide authorities with the appropriate paperwork, including the document in question.
I will pay tax on items where necessary.
I will install the goods on the boat and go sailing.

We agree on one thing: A little information is dangerous.

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David

A part of the confusion here is the scenario described in your last post is somewhat different than that described in your initial post.

Ezmony is quite correct that if you buy goods from a local chandler, you'll pay a retail price that already incorporates the import duties.  Your intransit status won't matter in that case.

Which yard or marina is the boat in now?  Someone here may be able to point you to the appropriate person to assist in your documentation of needs.

A TIP may be considered an intransit document in your case.  Since most boats in San Carlos don't leave here for other countries, it is viewed as a temporary import permit to allow a non-Mexican vessel to remain in and be used in Mexican waters. Don't forget to to turn it in and get a receipt for it at your last Mexican port of call before you depart on your voyage.

And FYI, ezmony has imported and refurbished more than one vessel in Mexico.

I'll go back to my earlier post.  If you'll announce your travel needs here, you may be able to hitch a ride from Phoenix back to San Carlos with your new goodies in hand.

Bart

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Thanks Bart. In my initial post I said I will be in San Carlos in early February and will need some new goodies for the boat. At the moment I am buying small items only until I get to the boat and do a complete audit, then I will do the buying/importing. There has been no deviation from that.

Perhaps ezmony can benefit from the knowledge that duty free is possible. And I apologise if I upset anyone but I guess when someone is seriously seeking assistance, posing speculation as fact is not at all helpful.

I am currently awaiting the delivery of a satellite phone and as soon as I have an idea of the day I will have it, I can start to make plans to get to Marina San Carlos.

If there is then a possibility of hitching a ride, I will be most appreciative. Thanks again and very best wishes.

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