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Given the relevance and importance of this to all the Americans in San Carlos, I felt it deserved its own thread rather than to be buried on page 34 of the Coronavirus thread.  Best if only comments related to this story and not COVID in general posted here.  Bart, if you feel it should be moved to the other thread, please do so.

White House looks at plan to keep out citizens and legal residents over virus

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-looks-at-plan-to-keep-out-citizens-and-legal-residents-over-virus/2020/08/10/d8233910-db0c-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html

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Looks to me to be a great idea. I don't want my kids and grandkids getting Mexican Covid. They have enough trouble staying safe as it is. What's your issue?

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southern California, Arizona, Texas are the covid hot spots currently on the USA border, and in the USA. 
* the border was closed to non essential travel months ago and remained an open sieve for travel. it's been a complete failure and a joke to those of us living here.
* the travel ban from China on the onset of the pandemic allowed over 400,000 travelers to enter. most where not quarantined.
* the travel ban from Europe which created most of the infection in the USA, starting in New York was a failure. because of panicked citizens returning home without being properly quarantined. 
* the hospitals in Southern California, Arizona, Texas are at capacity or past.
* the hospitals NOB do allow if possible, for better treatment, only because they are not yet triaging patients.
* the hospitals in Sonora are at or past capacity.


not allowing citizens or green card holders to return to USA soil because they are suspected of the virus, would be difficult if not impossible to enforce!


many of the residents here in San Carlos and Sonora and Mexico are retired living on our Social Security and Medicare benefits.
 if one was infected and desperately trying to reach a "Medicare" provider in the USA for treatment, once crossing the border you are on USA soil, you have your undeniable constitutional rights! sending you back would be act of "deportation" and probably require a court proceeding to legally do so.


so this contemplated action is only typical of the actions of this administration over the last 3 a 1/2 years. 
take it with a grain of salt and wait for tomorrows debacle and distraction.

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here is an idea to slow the virus, how about we quarantine Sturgis , South Dakota not allowing anyone whose currently there to leave for 15 days.

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This is important but I will not allow it to become a political football. Resist the temptation to use it as such or it will be gone.

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My thoughts, both the U.S. and Mexico should have stuck to, and closed the border both ways, as they originally agreed to. This was never enforced by either side. Too many loop-holes in the mandate.

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johnmoore wrote: My thoughts, both the U.S. and Mexico should have stuck to, and closed the border both ways, as they originally agreed to. This was never enforced by either side. Too many loop-holes in the mandate.you are absolutely correct! but it didn't happen and we are now living and coping with it!
this could have all been behind us if both countries, had adhered to the ban, by strict enforcement.


now we have to contend with packed beaches and bars here in San Carlos and Sonora and in the USA possible super spreader events are allowed.



it's all about the $$$$$$ or pesos here, the treasury coffers need their taxes or IVA to function.


the majority of us are only pawns in this destructive and convoluted attempt at policy.




 

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Hospitals in So Cal are not at or over capacity. I don't know about the other states mentioned.

The pandemic is already out of control in the US. The denial of entry to US Citizens who may have contracted COVID while living in Mexico seems like punishment for choice of country to live in. We aren't blocking entry of US Citizens from any other country where the virus is considered out of control. To me US citizens living in Mexico seeking superior medical treatment in the US covered by Medicare seems entirely reasonable, and no more risky than someone who contracted COVID in the US driving themselves to the hospital.

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TrueBlue wrote: Hospitals in So Cal are not at or over capacity. I don't know about the other states mentioned.
you would know better than i as you live there. i was only going on past report's which are now a month old. Arizona was transferring covid patients to s. cal.
Swamped SoCal hospitals transferring COVID-19 patients to Bay Area facilities

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I take exception to that article's claim that "hundreds of thousands of US citizens and permanent residents cross the border each day". This story is about crossings in ONE DIRECTION; into the US.

That might have been the case before the border restrictions, even as lightly as they have been enforced, but I highly doubt that's the case now. It's probable that it is dramatically lower. But the author is trying to add a little more drama to the story, IMO.

It never ceases to amaze me how hypocritical organizations like the Washington Post and NY Times (where the news first surfaced about this potential closure) can be on this virus issue. They are constantly pushing for more closures, more clampdowns, more doom and gloom with respect to the virus. Then, when the current administration proposes a plan that would do this (which I disagree with, BTW) they figure out a way to paint it in another disparaging light. They simply refuse to agree with anything the current administration does.......even if disagreeing goes 180 degrees to their previous positions.

Some statistics to remember in the US that you rarely find in the vast majority of news media outlets. This is from Worldometer.info.

-Of all the "closed cases" so far (persons who recovered vs persons who died), 94% of confirmed infections have recovered. That number is steadily increasing, and has been for months. Remember in April when we were talking 60/40?

-Of all the CURRENT (not closed) cases, only around 1% are in the serious or critical category. 99% of all who are confirmed to have it RIGHT NOW, are deemed to be mild cases. Some could move into the more serious category, for sure. But there are also many new cases that don't ever enter the serious category. That 99/1 ratio has remained constant for more about a month, now.

-The median age of all deaths in the US is 78 years old. 80% of all deaths have occurred in persons 65 years and older.

-Unfortunately, there hasnt been standardized reporting of pre-existing conditions that can often lead to hospitalization or death from the infection. These include respiratory, heart and other ailments of internal organs, mostly. But, based on the limited reporting of pre-existing conditions among persons infected with the virus, somewhere between 60-90% of the persons hospitalized from the virus had pre-existing conditions that probably led to hospitalization.

Still, the simple acts of wearing a mask in public, washing your hands frequently and detering large public gatherings, makes complete sense.

But preventing the rights of a citizenry from returning to their country of birth? I am not for that. Require them to quarantine or something, but not wholesale restrictions. There are so many cases where the testing has been proven to be badly flawed in both directions, anyway; false positive and false negative.

The ICU beds are supposedly full in most of Mexico. That is not the case in virtually all of the US, where many of these citizens have valid health insurance policies. I also take exception with someone's claim that hospitals are full in those states mentioned.

This might be the single best link to virus data in the US. It is from the CDC. Since the significant re-emergence of the virus after many states began lifting their stay-at-home orders, many categories related to the virus have gone down for the last four weeks. Number of infections, number of deaths. Hospitalizations remained statistically flat at around 1.2-2.9 per cent for all influenza-like symptoms. Lots of good info in this link.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

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Every day the news changes as to how the covid is doing in the border states. Tucson hospitals now have beds, where a couple of weeks ago, they didn't.

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Pima County and Tucson never were hit hard by this. Phoenix and the Navajo Reservation have been.

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the treatments have improved thus changing the first ratios. this was because of on the job experiences by medical personal on the front lines.


over 160,000 deaths and about a 1000 a day for about a month is unacceptable.


ICU bed availability also so changes daily weekly and monthly in the areas of the states mention .
Arizona health department changes hospital bed availability reporting


Texas Hospital Says 100% Of ICU Beds Full—Then Removes Its Report


Riverside County's ICU beds are 99% occupied. Hospitals moving into surge plan


Coronavirus: California shatters another record for daily cases


when is the next holiday to predict the next spike?


as i said, once you cross the border line onto the USA, a USA citizen is on USA soil, good luck legally deporting them back to Mexico.



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That death rate also is inflated.

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The article is from the political section of the Washington Post. It is a non starter and is written to further the division of opposing points of view. Hence Bart's warning. That is if we are on the same topic as the original post.

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390pony wrote: That death rate also is inflated.Yes. People die of natural causes as usual and happen to have COVID-19. Then guess how they report cause of death?

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Geez, Frankie, couldnt you find any stories that supported your viewpoint that are more recent than six weeks old?????

There's even juicier ones from April and May, if you look!!! :shock:

A lot has changed since late June, amigo. Your links are ancient history with conditions moving as fast as they are.

Clearly, the institution of social distancing methods has begun to work over the last 3-4 weeks.

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In an attempt to refocus this thread.....my main point in posting was to alert people to this possibility. Relevant discussions would best be limited to the *possibly* pending proposal from the White House of keeping American citizens from crossing the border from Mexico into the US. The rest of it has already been extensively discussed and rehashed in the main Coronavirus thread.

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How about the restrictions going South ? Are there any ? Can we still get a six month Tourist Visa ? It’s getting close to the time when Winter Snow Birds start to think about returning to San Carlos. 

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frankiej wrote:ICU bed availability also so changes daily weekly and monthly in the areas of the states mention .
as i said, once you cross the border line onto the USA, a USA citizen is on USA soil, good luck legally deporting them back to Mexico
Hook , i clearly stated that!
 i also went back to the theme of the thread.

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