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 Posted: Sun Mar 15th, 2020 08:43 pm
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Well said, jimw.

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San Carlos IS NOT only the beach town in Mexico!
 there are hundreds of Semana Santa / spring break destinations here in Mexico! it is possible the thousands who have traditionally attended, will continue to attend, unless there is a government enforced prohibition!


you must have forgotten what spring break / Semana Santa is about, "sex drugs and rock & roll" all inhibitions are tossed into the wind! 


are you oblivious of the now sanctioned sporting events, concert venues, cruise ships, air travel cancellations and schools that have been closed????????????????

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frankie wrote:

we are a country by it's inception of "REBELS" , it will be difficult for some to follow the suggested rules!


much like having unprotected sex with a stranger, some will and some won't! 
in the end the one's who headed suggest advice will hopefully be better off than those who didn't!


selfishness has no place in today's outlook, be safe, have patience, look forward to a brighter future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hah, there is rebellion of what most of the global governments are now and planning enforcing, RIGHT HERE on this forum!! OMG

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Totally disagree with what jimw has said. Avoidance is the key, especially in an older community. With a large number of outside visitors coming from areas with infected persons into a as yet to be affected area, you are just increasing the odds of spreading the virus. Once it is spread among our waiters, dishwashers, clerks, grocery stockers etc, our ride begins.

I do however, totally understand there are no gates to close.

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SBT wrote: Totally disagree with what jimw has said. Avoidance is the key, especially in an older community. With a large number of outside visitors coming from areas with infected persons into a as yet to be affected area, you are just increasing the odds of spreading the virus. Once it is spread among our waiters, dishwashers, clerks, grocery stockers etc, our ride begins.

hopefully most are agreement with you SBT!!!!!!


the virus pathogens left by the carriers can be active HOURS after their host carriers have left! 


the key to "flatten the curve" is to avoid physical contact and crowed venues!

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The internet is full of bad news, and as we isolate and depend on it more, I "worry" that our worrying might actually have a more drastic affect  on us.

Headlines from China suggest that the virus is still being seen in folks that were released as healty still show the pathogen 37 days later, and counting.
A Mexico "expert" stated that a year will be needed to beat this here, and that the flu season will start prior to that next year. Mexico City is still the largest City in the world, and poor people have tiny homes making distancing impossible.


I am just hoping that it will turn out to be like our Hurricane warnings that result in a whisper of wind con favor de Dios.

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Only posting this to try and alleviate fears. It seems no one from this thread is fearful though. I work as a nurse at a big hospital in phoenix. We have not seen any confirmed cases of covid-19 as of today. Last statistic was 10 confirmed cases in AZ. 80% of this virus are mild cases and as you know if is more fatal in elderly population with pre-existing conditions, It is however amazing to me how the media has blown this way out of proportion. Staples such as rice, beans, pasta are hard to find, and of course tiolet paper. Panic hoarding caused by media. 
 Fun facts: 1918 flu pandemic ( spanish flu ) was H1N1 virus. Much deadlier than covid-19. 
I hope everyone in this world would exercise common sense and stay calm. 

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New guidelines, issued in the last hour by the CDC, recommend CANCELLING ALL IN-PERSON EVENTS WITH OVER 50 PEOPLE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT WEEKS!

I kid you not.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/large-events/mass-gatherings-ready-for-covid-19.html

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diver45, thank you, your in the trenches observation is assuring!!! people are in a panic and over reacting! i also addressed that in a previous post!


but your fun fact statistic is 100 years old, there are now vaccines that probably would have reduced the mortality rate of H1 N1, tremendously.
 
today for example the "corona" family of viruses have already had much study. the speed to a vaccine will be much faster in the 21st century than it was in the 20th! 
remember the old slogan "better living through chemistry" ?

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Cause and effect?

Is the media creating an irrational frenzy about the virus, or are there just too many people these days that are too ignorant of how to recognize the irrationality of it all?

I mean, if "smart" phones are the repository of many folk's "smarts" these days, maybe they ain't gettin' much "smart" exercising of their brains.

BTW, in the last 20 minutes, the website worldometer.info, that so many sources are using as a count of Novid-19 cases, worldwide, was hacked and false numbers were displayed for a time. Insidious.

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I am not convinced that hands must always be washed with antiseptic cleaner. If your skin is not broken then the skin is a very effective protective organ. It will keep bacteria and viruses away. Water alone will wash away dirt along with contaminants which are water soluble. Sometimes it is better to use oil, butter, or Vaseline to help dissolve away those materials which are not water soluble. Pathogens are also “washed away” along with dirt and grease. If the hands have been sufficiently washed and apear clean to you then under normal daily use your hands are clean. Question is what are you going to do with your hands? If you are going to perform a medical procedure then you need to one step more and need to use a antiseptic cleaner. For the normal person clean water with soap is enough. No need for antiseptic.
Reserve antiseptics for cleaning surfaces like door handles, counter tops, toilet seats etc. If you have a weak immune system then use antiseptic cleaner if you are going to touch your mouth, eyes or inside your nose as these routs are where infections can occur. We must break this habit of touching these areas anyway.
An antiseptic cleaner is great if there is lack of clean water. Remember to let the antiseptic do it’s work. Do not use your hands for a good five minutes after you have rubbed in the antibacterial.
I have seen where someone will wander over to a hand cleaner bottle with their hands in their pockets or with a cell phone in their hands. After using the sanitizer they will pick up the dirty cell phone or out their hands back in their pockets... they have reinfected their hands. Hand washing will break the chain of infection if used properly. If you have touched “dirty” surfaces then wash your hands before you touch another surface. After touching a dirty door knob do not touch the counter. If you wash your hands frequently then you are less likely to contaminate many surfaces.
Remember indiscriminate use of all antiseptics will breed resistant organisms. Be mindful as to when it is appropriate to use antiseptics. Antiseptics must not be used in all situations. Sometimes plain water will work and other times water and soap.
Live fungi, bacteria, and viruses may be killed by an antiseptic but a fungus, bacteria, or viruses that have had a chance to be dormant by producing a strong coating are very hard to kill even with antiseptics.
Remember live viruses may only last for up to a few days but once they become dormant then they can be very resistant and under the right conditions will become active. We need to know for this virus it’s life cycle. How long will this virus survive on a dry surface, on a wet surface, or how much heat will kill it. Also, under what conditions it becomes dormant and what conditions make it active. Will cold kill it? Will salt water kill it? We need to collect facts.

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jimw, your post #91 appears to be a reversal of your post #80 !!!!


* post #80 condones the possible spread of the virus by allowing formation of large groups, which scientists, doctors and government agencies are warning against doing! 


* post #91 your last paragraph elaborates on the virus active life span, which key to it's spread!


i find it curious that you expound on the re-contamination of the washed hands by touching their cell phones! i agree!! 
but you failed to realize the contamination restarted when you turned the faucet off you opened with your contaminated hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the reality is we PUBLICLY don't have the proper sanitation facilities, JUST TO WASH OUR HANDS!
 WE ARE NOT PREPPING FOR A SURGICAL PROCEDURE!


the best advise the PROFESSIONALS are giving, is to isolate and mitigate!

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I am in line with what the governments are trying to do and that is that they know they cannot stop the spread of covid-19 but they would like to slow it down. This would allow them to not overwhelm their medical system, and hope that a vaccine can be developed in a speedy manner, and allow the flu season to pass through.
As the government works on the larger scale to contain the spread of virus on the large scale we individuals must do the same at the local scale. We all know which populations are vulnerable and these must stay in their own homes and isolate themselves. The younger and otherwise healthy older must also plan to be less active with the ultimate goal of isolation as well.
Hence, the closure of large events, schools, universities, malls etc.
The challenge is how to implement at the individual level.
In reality, how many those over 60 and retired are even 80% of the time at home? At the time of long weeks and Semana Santa I am sure 100 % off the older population can easily stay at home.
I am a retail worker and now that I have returned home I have quarantined my self for 2 weeks and hope to start work after this time.

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jimw wrote:  Everyone in this world will eventually be exposed to this virus much like the many flu strains already that are here.
Most of the people attending Semana Santa will be able to fight the virus should they get infected. 
Those who have concerns can very easily isolate themselves at home since the Semana Santa crowds are isolated to the beaches and the main road.
Generally speaking we need a trickle of people fighting it and becoming immune and hence slowing the spread. Almost like when vaccines are given but in this case it is an immunity acquired by direct exposure.
Identification of those who have fought this strain of the virus is valuable so that if needed these individuals can be frontline helpers in hospitals if needed.
I say let the young crowds come and then disperse away like always.
For those who are concerned please locate to an area where there will be resources to look after you in case you need that care.
this is what you wrote in a previous post! your ignorance is bliss!!!
 better to do the back peddling you are now doing THAN NOT!!!!!!!!!!
your recommendation for semana santa, would only spread the disease here in mexico.
should Mexico only show a small percentage of infected cases the USA is showing THE BORDER WILL CLOSE!
that will effectively stop the existing transfer of goods, primarily agriculture products! the shelves are empty now, but can be restocked, ONLY if the supply chain is not broken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*30 million children are now out school because of preventative closing.
*in the last 24 hours over 300 people died in Italy
*after 8:00 pm tonight all restaurants, bars, casinos closed in New York, New Jersey,Connecticut!



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Frankie,  Give it a rest.

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don, some people don't know when to come in out of the rain!
 i am just advocating what posts from Bart's # 56, SBT #78 and hook's #88 are suggesting as referable information, as apposed to someones "hunch"!!!!!


i'll call over to capt's and place a beer for you on my tab!

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Franki I agree with you that if you avoid the virus then you will not get it. Ok. So when Semana Santa is here then whoever does not want to catch the virus (from the people at Semana Santa) should stay at home for the time of the parade and for a few days after, just to be on the safe side. Correct?
Then please stay at home. That is what I would recommend at that time. It is within your power. I would expect 100 % of the people to stay at home. Will you stay at home? I hope so.
So far the Mexican governments confident that their population is immunology strong enough to withstand a minor assault of this virus. It is these small challenges that will build up the strength of the people.
Keep calm! No one is spreading virus all over Sonora.

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Someone is this threads most prolific poster with 32 Posts----Dare I say a Serial Poster needs a hobby....

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https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html  


please open this link and see how easy the transmission can be by one person!

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Does anyone know what Kills more people on this Planet than Anything Else????????????????


NATURAL CAUSES!!!!!!  Yet, there is No research looking for a vaccination or cure----Where is the Hysteria about this Heinous Killer??  


Go Figure!!!!  


I now return to self imposed quarantine to protect myself from-The Gullible, Raging, Paranoid, Panicking, Masses who are certainly going to DIE.... 
Can I have your stuff when you die from the Corona??]

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