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 Posted: Fri Oct 11th, 2019 03:52 pm
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I was on the fence about posting this.  I don't want to cause unnecessary concern because as far as crime (and especially executions) is concerned, San Carlos is far removed from what is occurring in Guaymas and especially Empalme......but this represents a significant escalation in Guaymas so I thought I would post.  Fortunately nobody was hurt or injured in the attack.  Supposedly .223 casings were found at the scene, indicating at least one of the weapons was an AR-15.

https://opinionsonora.com/2019/10/10/rafaguean-con-armas-de-alto-poder-la-vivienda-de-la-alcaldesa-sara-valle-dessens/

http://elportaldelanoticia.mx/noticias/14-local/3445-rafaguean-carro-del-hijo-de-la-presidenta-municipal-sara-valle

https://www.radarsonora.com/tres-niveles-de-gobierno-investigan-ataque-armado-en-las-villas/

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Couple of points: SC is not far removed from Gym in either distance or criminal activity. 223 cartridges are used in the AR-15 - and dozens of other hunting, target or assault rifles. It's the M16 and AK47 that the gangs use.

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I am having a really hard time drawing the line between True Blue's performance as a shill for all these media outlets and any other spammer.
Are 3 articles really necessary?
Do you think our members do not know these outlets exist?
Don't you have anything better to do than troll for whatever bad news you can find?

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I'm not a "troll" or a "shill". No, I don't think most people in San Carlos are aware of the various media sources and instead they check this board much more than other sources. Lots of ostriches.

I am very selective about what I post.  There are cartel/narco executions almost daily in both Guaymas and Empalme and I haven't posted about any of those and I doubt most in SC are aware of the dramatic increase of late.  This event was notable because it involved the Mayor.

Since you clealy want me to stop and you are the board owner/administrator, I will respect your wishes and stop posting news stories.

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I am okay with seeing the links posted as a matter of information.  
That’s because I DON’T search out the bad news I know exists on many online sources.  I don’t view it as spam.


So, for me, it’s a convenience for someone else to spend their time finding the stories near or pertinent to us in San Carlos and posting a link.  I don’t want to do the dumpster diving myself.


But I trust you, Bart, to make and enforce whatever policy you believe is right and fair.

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Thank you, TrueBlue

Marigot's reference to "dumpster diving" sums up my feelings very accurately.

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I, for one, appreciate that TrueBlue goes to the trouble to post information that he finds to be applicable to us. Not my idea of "dumpster diving".

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I never did subscribe to the notion that one can get "too much information".

The headlines generally tell it all. If someone wants to avoid stories they feel are "negative" (a subjective term), they are free to do so.

But I am not for withholding information that others can decide to view objectively.

It's better to know what's going on, rather than be surprised when you find yourself in a bad situation that you knew nothing about, because you weren't informed.

Besides, don't we already have a board that does that all the time in town? Why not continue to be a breath of fresh air in this town, Bart?

Spammers have financial motives for posting what they do. True Blue has said he has lived in town for at least 15 years. What could be his financial motives for posting what he does?

I think he/she just wants his/her neighbors and community to be aware of what's going on. It certainly is changing. What's the harm in that?

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News is good, redundancy is not.

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SStewart wrote: News is good, redundancy is not.

News from two sources can be very different.


See NBC News vs Fox News. Or CNN vs Washington Examiner.


In this case, one talks about her house being shot up, while the other says her son's car was shot up. 


Same event, two different news sources.

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"In this case, one talks about her house being shot up, while the other says her son's car was shot up"

In this case, I should have stated..News is good, confusion, not so good. Thanks for your examples of daily "Confusion"

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Anytime.

There are often two side or two angles to any issue or news story. I'd rather see both, than have someone else decide which one I should see.

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well at least "trueblue" isn't using google translate anymore!!
for me, posting one article is sufficient! i will personally search other media outlets if i feel it necessary!

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Bart, you have requested TrueBlue not to post this type of information on your forum? 
TrueBlue is far from a shriller or a spammer.  He is letting us know very important information for our own good concerning things very relevant to the people of San Carlos.  One can read it, ignore it or take it to heart as our current reality.  Your choice.  He was nice enough to list 3 different outlets so one can get the information from several sources for a better, well rounded account of this attack.  If he did not put the links, he would have been accused of hearsay and told to list sources. 
San Carlos Nuevo Guaymas is not removed from Guaymas.  The presidenta municipal de Guaymas (Guaymas mayor) is also San Carlos'.  The same people that are in place to deter and keep the public safe in Guaymas are the same ones for here.  If you consider sharing this important information "dumpster diving", do not click the links but sure don't dump on those of us that appreciate this important information to San Carlos residents.  Thanks for the heads up on this information TrueBlue and for taking the time to provide diffrent souces.  I appreciate having all of the information.  I can then make better decisions armed with facts and current knowledge of these ongoing situations.

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"Besides, don't we already have a board that does that all the time in town? Why not continue to be a breath of fresh air in this town"

Truer words never spoken, and Hook was being kind.

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SStewart wrote: "In this case, one talks about her house being shot up, while the other says her son's car was shot up"

In this case, I should have stated..News is good, confusion, not so good. Thanks for your examples of daily "Confusion"


All 3 stories say the son's car was hit, if that's important.

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I too support posting links to legitimate news sources and the Mexicans I know consider Opinion Sonora and Radar Sonora to be legit. Many people can´t speak Spanish and don´t read the local newspapers. I sometimes post articles myself and do not consider an attack on the Mayor of Guaymas´ house to be irrelevant information for those of us concerned about San Carlos. But it is not my board.

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OK, you all have made persuasive arguments so I withdraw my position from post #3

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Thanks, Bart.
As I mentioned before, I consider it a convenience to see the links to stories, or a summation of the story, posted here.
I would appreciate True Blue, or anyone else, continuing to bring these stories to our attention.


Most of them we do need to be aware of; they do affect the lives of people in our community.

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bartmanaz wrote: OK, you all have made persuasive arguments so I withdraw my position from post #3I appreciate that, Bart.  I promise I will only post stories that I believe are relevant to the residents of San Carlos.  I post links from several sources because there can be variations in the reporting (like in this story, car vs. house....another link I found but didn't post said it was both with over 100 rounds fired).  The reason I *usually* post without commentary is I prefer to let the reader make up their mind regarding the credibility of each story.  I do try and weed out articles that seem to be more opinion and rumor rather than fact.

The above having been said, it is my hope that there won't be any more stories of this nature and things calm down in the area.

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