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 Posted: Sat Sep 28th, 2019 08:46 pm
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Navarrete's name is specifically mentioned in the Narco Lona that was put up a few weeks ago in Guaymas. I was quite amazed that the Guaymas Digital post was so specific in saying who was responsible for the shooting. In the states you would need like three separate sources of information to corroborate a public statement like that but of course this is Mexico and this is Fakebook.



Adriana was supposedly going out with Navarrete at one time if I am not mistaken. Coincidental connection?



So from what I saw when we left our friends house there were two cars that were shot up. One patrol car and one unmarked gray SUV. I was not sure if that SUV was an unmarked cop car or the vehicle of the shooter. Since there was such an intense search on the ground last night it was as if the police were sure the assailants took off on foot.



I don't understand how they could have escaped so easily if they took off on foot. The response time was fast.

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One additional article.  Nothing really new, but a good overall summary from a reputable news organization of not only the current event but other recent relevant events about the overall security situation in the area.

https://www.jornada.com.mx/ultimas/estados/2019/09/28/sicarios-atacan-a-policias-en-san-carlos-sonora-3660.html

Hitmen attack police in the port of San Carlos, Sonora

Guaymas, Sonora . Two agents of the State Public Security Police were injured, after confronting a group of hitmen who attacked them in the port of San Carlos, Nuevo Guaymas, south of Sonora, where 16 police officers have been killed in the last year.

The events occurred on Friday night around 7:45 p.m., on Gabriel Estrada Boulevard, near the tourist area known as Marina de San Carlos, where dozens of families were staying.

“While State Police agents carried out surveillance and prevention operations on Gabriel Estrada Boulevard, in San Carlos, Nuevo Guaymas; They were cowardly assaulted by the vehicle's attackers, who were immediately repelled by the agents of the State Police, ”the Guaymas municipal police reported.

Preliminarily it was reported that two officers who were aboard unit 15128, Commander Gustavo Navarrete of the State Public Security Police and his escort, the surname agent Lechuga, were injured in the attack.

After the confrontation began to circulate through social networks, a video filmed from a pier in the vicinity of the attack in which several firearm detonations are heard and some people are seen running from the bullets and protecting themselves inside the marina.

Both police officers were transferred to receive medical attention while an intense operation was carried out in search of the aggressor (s), while the State Police reiterated that they will continue to intensify the operations in combat to the crime and will continue to give results to the Sonoran people with arrests of criminals.

After the attack the Red Code protocol was activated and a mixed operation with public force of the three levels of government began to find the perpetrators of the crime; Expert witnesses from the Criminal Investigation Ministerial Agency and the Attorney General's Office arrived at the site.

Two months ago a narco blanket was published that accuses the Navarrete element together with several colleagues, also of the state police of being charging fees and of meddling in the thefts of Guaymas and San Carlos, detailing names and the number of units they use to patrol these tourist municipalities of Sonora.

Since August of last year to date there have been more than 19 attacks against elements of different police corporations in Sonora, of which sixteen were left without life, including four officers of the Ministerial Agency of Criminal Investigation and the commanders of the police in Hermosillo , Cajeme, ten from the Guaymas and Empalme region.

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In real english the article more closey translates to Navarette- out of life threatening danger
Lechuga- Critical condition ( not stable as the translator indicated)

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It wouldn't be the first time that the authorities intentionally gave out false information about the whereabouts of police victims of a shooting, or their condition. They admitted that they sometimes do this to prevent the all-too-often occurrence of sicarios finishing the job off in the hospital.

Just leave the information up. If any of it turns out to be false, at least we have a reference for believing or discrediting that source in the future.

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TrueBlue wrote: One additional article.  Nothing really new, but a good overall summary from a reputable news organization of not only the current event but other recent relevant events about the overall security situation in the area.

https://www.jornada.com.mx/ultimas/estados/2019/09/28/sicarios-atacan-a-policias-en-san-carlos-sonora-3660.html

Hitmen attack police in the port of San Carlos, Sonora

Guaymas, Sonora . Two agents of the State Public Security Police were injured, after confronting a group of hitmen who attacked them in the port of San Carlos, Nuevo Guaymas, south of Sonora, where 16 police officers have been killed in the last year.



what is reputable reporting in Spanish and pasting and posting of POORLY translated versions in English, is TOTALLY irresponsible and reckless!


example as pasted and posted:
Port of San Carlos, Nuevo Guaymas south of Sonora,  where 16 polices officers have been killed in the last year.
 THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!
your translation is a travesty and an injustice! 

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Here is the pasage in spanish I believe Frankie is refeering too. "Desde agosto del año pasado a la fecha se han presentado más de 19 ataques contra elementos de distintas corporaciones policiacas en Sonora, de los cuales dieciséis quedaron sin vida, incluyendo cuatro oficiales de la Agencia Ministerial de Investigación Criminal y los comandantes de las policías de Hermosillo, Cajeme, diez de la región Guaymas y Empalme. Since August of last year, 19 agentes from different government agencies have been attacked in Sonora, and of those, 16 have died. They included 4 Investigators from the DA's office along with 4 officers from Hermosillo an officer from Hermosillo and another from  Obregon,while the rest were from Guaymas and Empalme." which is a little different than saying 16 police officers have died in San Carlos.So far we have the officer in critical condition, but no officers have been killed here over the past year that I know of, unless Sr Lechuga is unfortunate and dies from the wounds he suffered last night on the street between Capitanes Cantina and the Hotel. But we have lost 3 private citezens here in town that have been rumored to be small time pushers.

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I live across the street from Marinaterra and we experienced it all from the initial gunfire as we had just opened the door to my front porch. Within two minutes state police were hauling tail like I never have seen here before up and down my street. I think they took the wounded because it was a while before the two ambulances arrived and they never loaded anyone in them before they left. At the high point, there were about 30 state police, Marina, and unmarked vehicles in front of my house up and down the street. The scary part was when about 15 to 20 Marines did a cordon line down the street with automatic weapons at the ready, several of them facing my house.

It was an excellent response to a bad situation. No collateral damage to people on the street. Maria's immediately locked their door and we went up on my roof to watch. And today, it is perfectly normal once again.

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Bullshipper wrote: Here is the pasage in spanish I believe Frankie is refeering too. "Desde agosto del año pasado a la fecha se han presentado más de 19 ataques contra elementos de distintas corporaciones policiacas en Sonora, de los cuales dieciséis quedaron sin vida, incluyendo cuatro oficiales de la Agencia Ministerial de Investigación Criminal y los comandantes de las policías de Hermosillo, Cajeme, diez de la región Guaymas y Empalme. Since August of last year, 19 agentes from different government agencies have been attacked in Sonora, and of those, 16 have died. They included 4 Investigators from the DA's office along with 4 officers from Hermosillo an officer from Hermosillo and another from  Obregon,while the rest were from Guaymas and Empalme." which is a little different than saying 16 police officers have died in San Carlos.So far we have the officer in critical condition, but no officers have been killed here over the past year that I know of, unless Sr Lechuga is unfortunate and dies from the wounds he suffered last night on the street between Capitanes Cantina and the Hotel. But we have lost 3 private citezens here in town that have been rumored to be small time pushers.bull shipper, thank you!!! yours is a perfect example of a responsible translation!!!!BRAVO!

many people from NOB, Canada and the USA read this, they should be properly informed!!!!!

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No, I dont believe that is the passage that Frankie is referring to at all. The passage Frankie is referring to is the first paragraph of the story and the translation is accurate. The FACTS of the first paragraph are wrong. Dont blame the translation software for that.

While sixteen elements of law enforcement have been killed within, say, an hour's drive of San Carlos, they did not occur IN San Carlos, as the first paragraph indicates.

Bullshipper has translated the LAST paragraph of the story and that is the accurate one.

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Hook wrote: The passage Frankie is referring to is the first paragraph of the story and the translation is accurate. The FACTS of the first paragraph are wrong. Dont blame the translation software for that.




the translation is far from accurate! it was poorly translated!

what is not understandable about the phase "south of Sonora" that would indicate Sinaloa!

the translation clearly describes San Carlos Nuevo Guaymas, then states; "where 16 police officers have been killed in the last year" !! that phase is TOTALLY misleading!
the Spanish text description is correct!  whether it is accurate is another story!


"bullshipper" has a UNDERSTANDING and COMPREHENSION of Mexican Spanish at a legal translator level!

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I'm sorry I didn't notice such a blatant error in the beginning of the article. I never want to cause unnecessary fear or concern. I merely want to post accurate articles without playing editor, so I'm not used to going through stories and pulling/correcting errors, especially when my Spanish is not good. But that was something I should have caught and removed. Sorry for all the extra posts it added.

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trueblue, i believe your intentions were well meaning! please just paste the Spanish version, leave the translating to the individual! 
people reading 16 police killed in any single community anywhere, is terrifying! 




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"Bust" homes of alleged criminals in Miramar after ambush against state


https://opinionsonora.com/2019/09/28/revientan-viviendas-de-presuntos-delincuentes-en-miramar-tras-emboscada-contra-estatales/

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Related?

https://opinionsonora.com/2019/09/29/detienen-a-presuntos-sicarios-y-aseguran-un-cuerno-de-chivo-y-un-arma-corta-en-miramar/

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TrueBlue wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/opinionsonora/videos/553786912026060/




play this tape!
 anyone who is familiar with the report of an AK recognizes this sound!
to my ear the weapon fired with the loudest report sounds like an AK fired in semi-automatic mode!, the other more muted reports sound like pistol reports!
"cuerno de chivo" can refer to the AK with 1/2 moon magazine or just the magazine! it would depend how it was used in a sentence!


trueblue, thank you for pasting this, it makes for a great reference platform!


looks like "the new sheriff in town" is doing his job!!!

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TrueBlue wrote: Related?

https://opinionsonora.com/2019/09/29/detienen-a-presuntos-sicarios-y-aseguran-un-cuerno-de-chivo-y-un-arma-corta-en-miramar/
In the previous story, police searched 3 homes and made two arrests of suspected dealers and hit men in Lomas de Miramar, the nice newer homes on the hills south of the road going by the large pharmacy.



In the second link, its states that the cops were tipped off by a citizen and they searched two more homes in the nice area down by the the beach in Miramar. Pistols, an ak47 and a motor bike were found along with drugs that looked like crystal meth, and one man was arrested.


I imagine this man will be interrogated with vigor this afternoon where he is being held in Guaymas and would suspect that the authorities will have more information on where to keep on looking shortly.

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just to add to bullshippers comment they used a DRONE for surveillance!! 


i am grateful for the fortitude and tech, they are now using!

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I'm not a gun expert by any means, but the gunfire we heard as we went outside sounded to all of us to be automatic rapid fire. Two of the people with me are gun experts and one is ex-military.

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possibly! it could also be an echo effect from the proximity you live at!
i have experienced the echo effect many times, in canyons.
you were there i wasn't!!!
my observation is as i stated from the video made on the water is the sound i am judging! 
you can clearly hear the action of the Kalashnikov, it is very distinct!


maybe someone can place a video with an AK full auto!

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So, which is it? Automatic or semi-automatic? :?


Not that it matters much to the victims........in all of Mexico. A war has been declared by both sides, at this point. Read the narcomantas. See the changes in the hierarchy of law enforcement. It is military. There is no faulty translation program at work here. 


Well, maybe three sides. Not sure where the heavily-armed, vigilante groups fit in. Most see them as wannabees, who claim to be cleaning up Mexico, but end up being another criminal gang. Some probably have good intentions. They are fed up with corrupt law enforcement, and want to take matters into their own hands.


OK, make that four to eight sides. The good cops, the dirty cops, the clean military, the dirty military, the National Guard, the cartels, the petty gangs, the private security for the rich. 


Man, you need a program to keep up with the dramatis personae in Mexico, these days. 

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