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 Posted: Mon Jul 29th, 2019 05:13 pm
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I was considering a visit to the Bay Area, but with the violence I am not sure if it is safe!  Imagine what this is doing to their property values. 


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/29/gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-what-we-know/1854727001/

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this is perfect and poignant cynicism!
 i applaud the poster! 

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ROTFLMAO!

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Violence occurs everywhere. I guess humor can make one FEEL better about the violence in Mexico.

But, look, the perpetrator got captured/killed. As happens over 60% of the time in the US.

Alas, in Mexico, convictions for murder are around 3%. That's REPORTED murders. It's so easy to get away with. Hence, the high, per capita murder rate in Mexico. Mexico is in the top 20 in the world. The US? 89th place.

Of course, that murder rate doesn't include the many hundreds who simply "disappear" in Mexico each year.

California has a per capita murder rate of about 4/100,000. Mexico per capita murder rate is over five times higher. 21.5/100,000.

I'll take my chances in Northern California. The odds are overwhelmingly in my favor, when compared to Mexico.

BTW, the three main countries that migrants are fleeing to the southern US border are all in the top ten. Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala.

If they are granted asylum, I sure hope someone warns them about settling in Northern California. They'll wonder why they ever left home, right?????

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this is perfect and poignant comparison!
 i applaud the poster Hook

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isnt the high murder rate in mexico mainly due to cartel drug dealers killing each other ?



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children, children!
 it was a cynical comment on 2 issues, beat to heck here!


i haven't heard much here of;
* children massacring children at schools
* patrons at concerts being massacred
* places of worship massacres 
* mall massacres
* bar massacres
* highway shooting assaults
we live in a different world these days!


p.s.* in the USA any given time there are 90,000 missing persons
     * there are approximately 16,000 murders annually





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People are not living in fear of the many random killings in the US because of their randomness. One never knows where or when some nut (or extremist of any persuasion) will go off on innocent people. Because of that vast unknownness, people put the violence in the back of their minds and go on about their business.

By contrast, the violence we have been seeing in Empalme/Guaymas/San Carlos is in a relatively small area and happening with increased frequency. While it may be targeted at supposed ¨bad guys¨ or, alarmingly often, police; there is an increase of the happenings occurring in broad daylight and on streets frequented by many people not involved in any way with the ¨bad guys.¨ And, as pointed out by Hook, the success rate in catching the ¨bad guys¨ is about nil. So, while I used to feel safer in San Carlos than in the US, I am starting to feel differently.

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maryt and hook, i am not disputing anything the two of you have written!


this is not the world of our youth!


the USA has more people incarcerated than any other nation! the demand for prison cells is so great the prison system has become privatized! these criminals where caught and incarcerated! yet crimes and murders have not been deterred!


in the early 50's the population of the planet was about 1 billion now we are around 7 billion!


we as a global community are suffering from over population and sever moral decay!

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I get the comparison but 3 people were killed including a 6 year old. I don't see anything to laugh about.

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maryt wrote: People are not living in fear of the many random killings in the US because of their randomness. One never knows where or when some nut (or extremist of any persuasion) will go off on innocent people. Because of that vast unknownness, people put the violence in the back of their minds and go on about their business.

By contrast, the violence we have been seeing in Empalme/Guaymas/San Carlos is in a relatively small area and happening with increased frequency. While it may be targeted at supposed ¨bad guys¨ or, alarmingly often, police; there is an increase of the happenings occurring in broad daylight and on streets frequented by many people not involved in any way with the ¨bad guys.¨ And, as pointed out by Hook, the success rate in catching the ¨bad guys¨ is about nil. So, while I used to feel safer in San Carlos than in the US, I am starting to feel differently.




Be careful what you wish for Mary.


Do you really want cartel guys going to jail or do you want them dead? Do you want them making the prison population more organized, armed and more violent or would you rather them do away with each other? 


A 79 year old guy got shot in the leg in Guaymas the other day, and a fellow died at a fruit stand last year in our area. These poor souls were bystanders. Then I ask, how many bystanders were shot in Las Vegas in one incident, how many children were killed last year in our schools? 


Can you buy an assault weapon and military ammo legally in Mexico? If you get into it with someone in a bar in Hermosillo what are your chances he is armed compared to someone in Texas?


Bad guys will be bad anywhere, but we let them arm themselves to the teeth, including children. 

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Today are 5 killed in Hermosillo and some in Obregon. 
Peacfull Mexico. Enoy it as it last. Also in Mexico everyday are Desapearing People.......Mostly they are Dead.......

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Leon you have a problem here-ME. If you are not going to tolerate those who disagree with your anti-white bigoted position, my suggestion is log off and don't come back.

Strike One.

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Bullshipper, I was not wishing for anything in my post. However, I do not disagree with you that the number of armed people in the US increases the risk of being shot. But I disagree that the cartels fighting it out on our streets is somehow going to cause them ¨to do away with each other¨ and somehow make us safer.

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Problems everywhere but let's hope the presence of the national guard and state police and marines make it better in greater Guaymas area. People are worried about their property value, that is only natural, I would not make it any more than that. The lure of money draws plenty of new people into the cartels, not much impact to them killing each other IMO. Hoping for a better future for every resident of this area.

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maryt wrote: Bullshipper, I was not wishing for anything in my post. However, I do not disagree with you that the number of armed people in the US increases the risk of being shot. But I disagree that the cartels fighting it out on our streets is somehow going to cause them ¨to do away with each other¨ and somehow make us safer.



Chapo is in jail facing a life of solitude, Cartel guys are getting brutally murdered left and right, so that is a pretty strong message to discourage people.


But poverty and ambition continue to drive this year after year, and with less immigration to the states, the rising population in Mexico doubling every 17 years, along with the rise of technology and artificial intelligence, the rise to middle class will get more improbable world wide unless you are will to take the risks and shortcuts that make a short life of crime more appealing than a long life of poverty to some.  Good jobs are very scarce and the young, poor and very intelligent will win the very few that are out there.


Morals, ethics, marriage and religion do not replace the hunger for a better life that is glamorized in crime, sports and entertainment on television.


Its gonna get worse and what we complain about now will be looked at as a better era than our poor grand kids will have to endure. Suck it up and enjoy your day is my motto.

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