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After appx 25 years in SC (never full time but usually for several weeks at a time, several times a year), a few years ago, I got fed up with the changes. So, now I usually spend a lot less time in SC per visit and I visit a lot less times per year. Even when I visit I always stay in a hotel and not at my property. That way I don't have to worry about water or power or TV or Internet. There are too many Gringo folks around SC and the traffic in Guaymas has gotten loco.  I am spoiled with what SC was and I can't live with what it has become. C'est La Vie

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To answer the headline question; Anyone can say it! But, it is a personal choice that only the individual can make.


Another thought is that the Newbies have no conception of how nice it was. Their moment is Now. And new folks are moving in all of the time... To them I say "Buenos Suerte" and "Desfrute"

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It is easy to spend time in "the way things used to be" but what a waste of what is NOW.


Being able to adapt is a great human quality they allows for happiness through all kinds of circumstances and changes.


I find it sad when people are stuck in the "good old days" since it is a waste of a perfectly good mind.  And their frantic search for happiness goes on leading nowhere!

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Caroline wrote: It is easy to spend time in "the way things used to be" but what a waste of what is NOW.


Being able to adapt is a great human quality they allows for happiness through all kinds of circumstances and changes.


I find it sad when people are stuck in the "good old days" since it is a waste of a perfectly good mind.  And their frantic search for happiness goes on leading nowhere!
Please don't Be Sad. Be Happy


Speaking for myself; When a place becomes less pleasant to be at and there is a place that is more pleasant to be at, and I have the means to move myself, then I choose to be where I am more happy. And, when I think of the place that lost its pleasantness I always remember it as the way it was when I had my most pleasant memories . Another example is So Cal in the 50's and 60's.  


I am Content in the life I live Now. 

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I think a lot of people are trying to convince themselves that it is time to leave and look to others to urge them into action.



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I miss the way Tucson was in 1970 when I first came there. Safford hasn't changed much. I sometimes go through there on my way to Alpine, which hasn't changed much.

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How many of those posting on this thread are trust holders here in SC?

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I finally had enough and sold out. I tried not to complain about things too much. I think you either accept things as they are or move on. Very little you can do to change things as a non citizen. It can be a great place to live and I have no regrets about my time there.

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RichD wrote: I finally had enough and sold out. I tried not to complain about things too much. I think you either accept things as they are or move on. Very little you can do to change things as a non citizen. It can be a great place to live and I have no regrets about my time there.

Pragmatic attitude, but even if you are a citizen, your power is very limited, here and there imo.

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Richard, how hard was it you sell your property? On top of all the infrastructure issues, was your break-in and the loss of very valuable property, were these the biggest factors in your decision to sell?

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johnmoore wrote: How many of those posting on this thread are trust holders here in SC?

I own property in SC. I let my Mexican Family live there. I also own properties in Safford AZ and I have the Means to move about as I wish. 

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Ditto all above!;) It's all opinion. I still think San Carlos is a nice inexpensive place to now visit. It was great to have the opportunity to live on or near the Ocean for dirt cheap not to mention within 5 hours of the USA. That in its self WAS a good motivator to put up with more. I for one could not live ANYWHERE in the United States as I did in Mexico, it was an awesome experience. :? 



Until someone takes control of the madness, IMO, it will only get worse. Some would agree, the "PAST" is a great predictor of the "future" if the rule of law and thought process of the people who make the most important decisions don't change??? 


Last year an influential person reminded me WHERE I AM, AND sternly reminded me that being a perm resident doesn't give me the right to question how GOV money is spent... Period! Specifically our property taxes. ( Yep, that's right folks!)
They stated, some have been here so long they think and act like they own San Carlos. Well, they don't! Your all guest gringos!  If NOT a CITIZEN of Mexico, you can be asked to leave at any time. Yes, Like you are right now, I was shocked!
I was a little intimidated at the time..The next day, However, I did go to this persons office to speak in person the next day. I wanted to clarify the conversation.

********I was addressed on my facebook! INSTANT MESSENGER!  So let that sink in! 
( That's one of the subjects I addressed at the office)

I did admit that I actually "don't know" what is legal or illegal to do, or what questions I could ask, and what not.etc..I said I would be better informed if we had some consistency!. I asked for the MEXICAN rule book! LOL....IT WAS ALL GOOD!!! I left on good terms and a few chuckles behind us..

Bullshipper, IMO: some are SERIOUSLY thinking of leaving. Do they need a push from other's to do so? NO. 
IMO, sometimes it's become so darn clicky and so many bullies, that some people are RELUCTANT to speak their true mind because of intimidation they receive when saying or questioning anything negative about San Carlos. 



Fact: There has been an upswing in the dangerous incidents in SC, and Guaymas is out of control. 
 Yes, many other people NOT from SC read these boards. That could also be viewed as a poss thing? Everyone who reads on here is an adult, Im sure have the ability to make their own decissions so should they hear all sides and opinions? I see nothing wrong with that.  
We all have personal opinions, and we're all entitled to express them.
 Just don't ask Guaymas where did YOUR TAX money go???????????????????????  Right???   LOL!!  :O)  :O)




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And, you local gringos don't worry, there are New Suckers moving in all of the time. 

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The reason I asked about trust holders, was because I was wondering how honest they would be as they tried to sell there their home.  Will you being telling them the real reasons you are selling, as expressed on this thread?  One more question, are we finding more and more properties being sold to Mexicans?

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Johnmoore, My honest answer would be, Why should I? Why ask that kind of question. Your certianly entittled too. May not like the response if People tell the truth!
Is it required that every real estate person give full disclosure??? I mean everything?.If I owned,  I'd tell the truth to the truths that had to be told. Here's why IT'S A BUYERS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK BEFORE BUYING ANYWHERE especially IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY...Overall It's so inexpensive, So many are drawn o SC..Maybe a few more Mexican citezens will purchase in SC.  Some of my Mexican friends say they would much rather work for a RICH Gringo, then a RICH Mexican. whatever that means? I have no idea? Didnt ask either. :O)

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dolphin007 wrote:  Some of my Mexican friends say they would much rather work for a RICH Gringo, then a RICH Mexican. whatever that means??? didnt ask. :O)

Forever and ever, the Rich-Privileged-Elitist Mexicans treat the common Mexican Folks like TRASH, like dogs in the street!

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I work for a company that changes all of the time. Yes, back in the 70's... I can leave $10,000 worth of fishing gear on the deck of my boat for a week and it never gets touched. Leave a $100 bicycle out on your lawn in Tucson or Phoenix and it won't be there in the morning. As always, it takes one bad apple to screw it it for the the entire bunch. I understand why people are leaving. I also know know that as bad as people are making it out to be, SC is a great place to be. I'll be sticking it out untill I gets worse here than it gets in the states, or untill the yellowtail fishing gets worse. To each their own and I respect everyone's opinion. I still enjoy SC and will keep my house and boat(as long as it floats),  until it gets worse than in the US..

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I am a gringo who has have lived here for 35 years. I would NEVER consider moving back to the USA. I have been accepted by the Mexican culture and I love the Mexican culture. The US culture has lost many of the things in life that I valued as a kid. In Mexico, those values still remain. I am an educator and a scientist. Here, over the years, I have been given opportunities to serve causes greater than myself. I have grown close to some incredible people.  I am grateful to Mexico for giving my wife and I a fantastic life.

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posts  18 and 19 are admirable !!! they are my feelings also!!



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It really is too bad San Carlos is changing. We recently sold our house in Creston sector, it was biult in 1966 so we have been coming here for a very long tine. I noticed many negative changes over the years, ie violence, garbage, water issies, etc. We will still come to fish and dive, and we have made life long friends here and in Obregon. Still a wonderful place, but make no mistake San Carlos has changed and not in a positive way.

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