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 Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2018 03:52 pm
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Have you talked to your workers and the people you hire? Does it seem to jive with the polls showing Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador in the lead?


What is their opinion of him? Are they talking about whether the election could be "rigged" to defeat him, as was SUPPOSEDLY the case the last time he ran?


There is much press coverage up here about the number of candidates who have been killed and the number who decided to bow out of the races, due to physical threats. A news report on CBS this morning said that over 1000 candidates had bowed out, for this reason.


This guy could be like no other candidate Mexico has ever had. In the past, he has sounded a bit like Trump, except that he is much more of a leftist. But he hasnt liked the trade treaties Mexico has signed. In fact, he hasnt liked most ANY involvement by foreign companies or foreigners in Mexico. I believe he has been against the multi national oil company competition with Pemex. 


His most recent controversial proposal was to grant amnesty to the cartels in some fashion.


What are you hearing down there? Bullshipper? Frankie? Anyone? Yes, Jimmy, you too!!

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the political situation is no different here than it is world wide. the existing parties in all countries seem to be extreme left or extreme right!
the world we live in now is instant communication, with very little fact checking!!
my wife is terrified of the prospect of a leftist president. comparing him to Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez!! my brother in law says "no pasa nada" and is a supporter!
my friends of the working class merely say "you know mexico" they are mostly cynical!!! 
my wealthy friends are vigorously campaigning for their prospective parties  and many, many cynical as well!!!


a quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln; you can't please all the people all the time you can only please some of the people some of the time!

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i was out tonight with late 40"s friends of mine, all college educated. it was a common consensus that obrador will be elected!

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he's still up 20% in the polls so its hard to argue he isn't a shoe in.

But the pri is busing people in offering 1500 pesos for a copy of their voting registration to pad their votes. Trouble is, they actually are paying only 500, then the buses get stopped and robbed, so the poor folks lose the 500 and any other cash they have on them, so 20% is probably not enough. No wonder they say Maduro uses Mx politicians as consultants to control the folks in Venezuela too.

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Sonora is the boonies. Half the population live withing 300 miles of Mexico City. It seems that the socialist Obrador will win. What that means for expats is unclear to me. We will see soon enough.

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if obrador is indeed elected, what comes to mind is NEWTON's law;
for every action there is an equal opposite reaction!
we are already seeing things happening on this of the border that are unusual and appear to be revenge motivated! 
in my humble opinion the current USA president has and will continue to create problems for EXPATS who have lived here comfortably and happy for decades!
from what i have heard and understand obrador does not have a tolerant temperament the current president does!

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How true Frankie. I see troubled times in the future for Mexico and the US. With Trump (no logic) and Obrador (less logic) we will see a lot of changes. Not many of them very good. Just my humble opinion. Thinking Costa Rico looks promising?

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Logic is a very subjective issue. The U.S. is, and has been getting screwed by NAFTA, a fact that requires no logic, other than how did we get in that situation. The other issue is legality of entrants......we, (expats) go to great lengths to enter Mexico legally, pay our taxes, our trusts, have current car insurance, etc. That cannot be said of the millions, yep millions of Mexicans that have chosen to disrespect and break U.S. laws. We can all cite reasons for this, but none the less it continues to happen.

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JOHNMOORE...such a  TRUE statement!!!
U & K

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Ditto!

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we have been in a global economy for a long time! something we helped if didn't create! NAFTA is a concept of the global economy! 
that said there is nothing saying that it can't be improved! that is where the problem lie's!! 
NAFTA with it's problems is a a partnership between 3 countries!
 to throw it out the widow is shear ignorance!
to improve and modify for the benefits for the 3 country's involved is prudent and stabilizing!
we are already in a "TRADE WAR WITH CHINA", the majority of the G7 are moving on with out us!
the pacific trade partners are moving on without us also!
what will be the price for this "isolation" HIGHER PRICES " for the american consumer!
think automobiles are pricey now in the USA wait till they are completely made there!
bring the automotive plants back will create some jobs, but the detroit of the past is gone and GONE TO ROBOTICS!
we played a major role in the global economy, we where involved in the panama and suez canels projects!
WHO IS NOW INVOLVED IN THE IMPROVEMENT OF THOSE 2 PROJECTS! THE CHINESE!!!!
ROME IS FALLING AND THE BARBARIANS ARE AT THE DOOR!

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johnmoore wrote:[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]The other issue is legality of entrants......we, (expats) go to great lengths to enter Mexico legally, pay our taxes, our trusts, have current car insurance, etc. That cannot be said of the millions, yep millions of Mexicans that have chosen to disrespect and break U.S. laws. We can all cite reasons for this, but none the less it continues to happen.

i am an american citizen of mexican roots, my genetics are 26% indigenous 76% european.
I AM A MESTIZO!!!!!! 
MY FAMILY HAD RANCHES IN ARIZONA, BEFORE ARIZONA WAS ARIZONA, BEFORE "LINCOLN WAS PRESIDENT! 


LOOK AT THESE "MEXICANS" WHO ARE ILLEGALLY COMING IN?????
the are predominately indigenous people / mestizos!!!!
THE INDIGENOUS  ARE THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THE "NEW WORLD"!!! 
THEY HAVE BEEN PRAYED UPON, ABUSED, DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HEAP SINCE COLUMBUS LANDED!
MOST ARE STILL INCORRECTLY CALLED "INDIANS"!!!!


many still have a manifest destiny approach to being an american!
maybe we can just give these illegals coming in contaminated blankets to sleep with, IT WORKED BEFORE, PROBLEM SOLVED!


we "expats" are also part of the problem! look at the faces of the people who are your maids, gardeners, ect., they are "mestizos" or full blooded indigenous people! 
MOST OF US COULDN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A MAID OR A GARDENER IN THE USA!!! YET WE FEEL EMBOLDEN TO DO SO HERE!
ARE YOU PROUD OF THE PITTANCE YOU PAY THEM???


that is why some here refer to us as "PINCHE GRINGOS"!!!!!

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Sorry Frankie, I missed your point. The U.S. is the most giving, forgiving and welcoming country on earth. We have laws, I am not opposed to changing some, but until that happens enforcement is a must. One more thought for your consideration....how long would expats last down here, if we did the same thing the illegals do in the U.S. Ya, we'd last a long time....but it would be in some desert grave!!

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johnmoore wrote: The U.S. is the most giving, forgiving and welcoming country on earth. 

was!!

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Please stick to the thread topic regarding election attitudes. This is getting off track

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Still is Frankie, All the U.S. asks....is to enter legally, just as Mexico asks, and as WE do. That hard for you to comprehend? It is called right and wrong....simple concept.

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Johnmoore, I fully agree with you.

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john, i don't want to get in a tit for tat with you!
bart, john and my banter has everything to do with this thread!
 
both of you don't walk in my shoes!!!


in the USA i now carry my passport card every where i go, i don't want to be mistaken for an illegal! YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW INDIGNANT THAT IS FOR ME!


here in mexico i may look the look, but when i am seen or speak in spanish they know i am a "GRINGO"!!!


this thread addresses what the future may hold if obnador is elected!


my posts our my observations, as an amercian citizen, looking like the mexican poster boy! "pancho villa" hahahaha!! 

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Frankie, you make points, that I have not considered, and they are salient, and personal. Thanks for sharing.

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johnmoore[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]The other issue is legality of entrants......we, (expats) go to great lengths to enter Mexico legally, pay our taxes, our trusts, have current car insurance, etc. That cannot be said of the millions, yep millions of Mexicans that have chosen to disrespect and break U.S. laws. We can all cite reasons for this, but none the less it continues to happen.


first off to start with, i consider john a friend! 


i disagree with this post, because i see it as a generalization!
true most of us expats do abide by the laws, but there a LOT that don't! i see it every day!


THERE ARE ALSO MILLIONS OF LEGAL MEXICANS ENTERING AND LIVING IN THE USA, SPENDING MILLIONS DOING SO!


THE ILLEGALS ALSO ARE CONSUMERS WHEN THEY ARE IN THE USA, EVERYTHING THEY CONSUME IS TAXED!! 


THAT GOES IN TO THE TREASURIES WITHOUT ANY QUESTION WEATHER YOU ARE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL!!!


i agree 100 % there needs to be legal immigration!!!!!!!
how many of you have actually witnessed the process to do so??????


extreme vetting is now required as if the past vetting wasn't enough!


one example; you need to provide proof of working here in mexico for 2 years before applying! 2 years copies of your "seguro social". IT IS AN OXYMORON, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE WORKING WHERE YOUR EMPLOYER IS PAYING YOUR SEGURO, THERE IS PROBABLY NO NEED TO LEAVE!


NOTE; i find it curious that john, bart and laurie all have "white faces" i am attaching a photo to show how i look! the photo also shows i am super vetted here in mexico, "legally armed"!!!!!! law abiding , tax paying , multiple business owner, resident alien! i practice what i believe!!!

Attachment: armed.jpg (Downloaded 178 times)

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