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 Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2017 11:16 pm
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The Comisario's Citizens Committee led by Dolores Monterrubio and Allan Sjogren will present information on the water of San Carlos at 7pm on December 7 at Club Deportivo.  This group evolved from the citizens group that began after the Town Hall meeting at Charlies Rock in the spring of 2017.

Topics include (time permitting):
- A status update on wells, desalinization plant, Ranchitos, water meters, flow meters, spare sewage pumps, tandeos
- Where does San Carlos water comes from
- San Carlos water quality
- Is there enough water
- Where does San Carlos sewage go
- Understanding a water bill and ways to pay
- Reporting leaks
- Tinacos

Some information has been presented previously.  Some information is new. 

A 50 Peso donation is requested per person.  The net proceeds will go to defray the cost of new Audio Visual equipment for the Educational Series and other presentations.

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$50 mxn goes to Club Deportivo for the purchase of Audio Visual Equipment, correct?

I remember when Mark and Miguel used to provide entertainment (Ecology/Environmental themed presentations) at the San Carlos Yacht Club. They requested a $50mxn donation as well to offset the purchase of upgraded Audio and Video Equipment. They were fun to attend.

Of course, I think a follow up to this Spring's 'Solutions for All Things Water and Sewage' Presentation by Rubin and Ephraim will be quite entertaining. A $50mxn donation is therefore very appropriate.

All kidding aside, thanks for posting the preview of the topics.

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Thank you for your efforts in pulling this together for the benefit of the community!

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I THOUGHT I WOULD POST ON THIS THREAD SO IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO BE ON THE BACK PAGES!

 I HOPE TO SEE MANY IN ATTENDANCE!!

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Why don't you do the simple arithmetic - how much is pumped out vs how much is paid for? And why not? Get this one answered and who cares about the other topics ???

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Well I for one care about the other topics. I have learned quite a bit in each of Al’s presentations.

As to a simple math problem, it has been presented and discussed many times that there are considerable losses of water from when it is pumped to when it is delivered to CEA customers. And to people who have attached to the system illegally.

We also know there is a non-payment issue. A serious non payment issue. If everyone that received water paid for it I think it would be fair to presume there would be more money to solve the leaks. Why don’t people pay? I assume there are non payers in almost all neighborhoods. What do you suppose is the reason people aren’t paying in your neighborhood?

Previously CEA did not have a reliable device to shut off water for non payment. They did install some new shut off valves on some of the newer low quality water meters (a subject that is very well known and discussed already). It is important that they continue to install these valves. And communicate their program for discontinuance of service for non payment. And penalty fees upon reassigning service. Then start the process of shouting down service when appropriate. They are fighting the mentality that water is a god-given right. When it is more painful to withhold payment than pay, more people will pay.

But to get back to your point, yes, it is obviously a money issue. The solutions to our current system are expensive. More people need to pay. We all need to be concerned about wasting water.

I have personally fixed at least 50 leaks and I hope made some small difference. I will continue to work with CEA to get progress when possible. Limited success is better than no success.

Complaining is easy. Almost anyone can accomplish that. Getting up and trying to help in some small way is much more difficult. Al has devoted much of his time to helping as well, not just in preparing these presentations. So have a few other people that he will introduce at his presentation.

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I'm not complaining - just observing. He's presented similar info previously - and nothing changed.

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I have talked to Al in the past, after previous water presentations. As a gardener and homeowner in San Carlos, my biggest question about the water was "What are the results of the CONAGRA well tests in early December?" We never hear anything about the results of those tests. Those determine how quickly we are drawing down our main wells. Al said CEA never gives him that info. He wondered about it, too.


Is there anything more important than that info?


The mere fact that they DON'T share that info is troubling to me. If it was all rosy, they would certainly trumpet the good news, I would think.

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Chicomickey wrote:
I have personally fixed at least 50 leaks and I hope made some small difference. I will continue to work with CEA to get progress when possible. Limited success is better than no success.

Complaining is easy. Almost anyone can accomplish that. Getting up and trying to help in some small way is much more difficult. Al has devoted much of his time to helping as well, not just in preparing these presentations. So have a few other people that he will introduce at his presentation.

chico, your an Honorable person!!! limited success is better than no success! well spoken!!!!!
we have also repaired many leaks.

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Nice guy, you are complaining. Quite deceiving yourself. It is all you do. Al is not CEA. Why do you think that making a presentation about water to better inform local residents means Al is responsible for the system changing?

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Thanks to Al for an informative presentation.

Not much good news but it is what it is.
San Carlos has received permission to drill a new well. Who knows when it will happen. That will only buy a little time as the water table out there is over stressed.

The desal plant near Empalme is out for bids but it will be a long time coming if at all. Unclear where that water will go.

CEA recommends getting a tinaco or two and having at least a week supply of capacity.

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thank you  al and the other 2 ladies for your presentation!
it is obvious how much time al has spent doing his research, the graphs and charts where extremely enlightening and inforamtive!!!
 a lot of questions where answered, regarding our water origin locations and it's distribution from origin! 
if the employees of CEA where as informed and educated as al, we would probably have the answers we all desire!!! 
i appreciate your hard work!!

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Rich, was there any talk about the plan to put the Ranchitos on a separate line, pump the water to an elevated tank and feed the Ranchitos from it?

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There was indeed. A tank near Guzzi's house. Will believe it when construction starts. Always comes back to capacity. It is fine when all 3 wells are running at 100% but they never are. If there was a new well we would have plenty of water for a few years until the aquifer runs out. Plenty of discussion about leaks and inept repairs of same.
End result is that a combination of increased production, fixing old leaking infrastructure, conservation, and reclamation.  It all takes money and more commitment than has been shown from CEA.
As far as unpaid bills, I think CEA should cut off water to severely delinquent accounts but if they did that in poor areas of Guaymas, there would be riots. 

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It is now possible to pay your CEA bill on line.

http://www.ceasonora.gob.mx/

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johnmoore wrote: It is now possible to pay your CEA bill on line.

http://www.ceasonora.gob.mx/

Can you still get the pay early discount on line?

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