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Have they started to install the new topes yet?

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Where? I haven't seen any although they did put fresh paint on the two buy the fountains.

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Not enough money yet. The Comisario needs resident donations because the Guaymas treasury will not fund the needed topes.

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What about the private ones? Nothing yet by the Rock or Arbolitos?


I hate topes. They punish the innocent, law-abiders. I'd much rather see the police do their jobs. Is that too much to ask? And it doesn't cost a penny more.

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Lots of folks have not forgotten the LDM highway donation and its 5 year warranty. Fool me once..........

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And on a second note...what is with our beautiful fountain....how much was squandered on that boondoggle?

I'm with Hook on the idea that the answer is right in front of us, but if we can believe that the culture of police enforcement will change ummmm me think not in the near future. Sorry but it is what it is. I still love it here..TOPES and all.

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The LDM street repair of a couple of years ago has nothing to do with the current need for topes at the designated locations. Police enforcement is spotty at best because as they are stopping one, 50 more go by. Topes are 24/7/365 and it's not so much the residents that speed and ignore the 3 way stop; it's the visitors and drunk ones at that(!) that could cause an accident or a pedestrian hit. As much as we hate 'em, topes are the best solution.

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I believe what ezmony meant and I agree with is the LDM fiasco was deal killer for more private funding projects. It did not say the topes are not necessary.

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The LDM road started out as a private road for the LDM RV Park and really, it still is. I agree that the city of Guaymas should maintain it, but they don't. The topes needed on the boulevard are an initiative of our Comisario and approved by the City Council BUT NOT funded by them. Do we want more accidents and pedestrian hits at those choke points? I, for one, do not and thus support the tope project.

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It may have started out as noble undertaking but it ended poorly. Certainly no one wants more accidents. That does not change the fact that garnering private funding for municipal endeavors will face a lot of headwind due to the LDM project.

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Maybe with you, but not with most responsible residents that see that there is no correlation.

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That remains to be seen.

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There is a very clear correlation:
Projects, that should be city funded.
Projects, now gone to fund raising, asking residents to pay for these services that should be provided by the City.
In this environment, funds collected could be misused, unused, or even worse.
Projects that "may be" completed or somewhat completed with NO quality controls, or warranties.

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In this case we have direct supervision by our Comisario.
OF COURSE this project should be funded by our property taxes paid to Guaymas! We all know that, but we also know the reality of the situation which is:

1. Our taxes go to fund Guaymas with very little ever coming back here. Sad but true. We are Guaymas' "cash cow", and the main reason many of us want SC to become its own municipio, (but that's another story and issue).

2. Since our Comisario realizes that lives and property are in jeopardy at the named choke points, he says. "c'mon guys & gals, let's get it done ourselves!" He is painfully aware of the problem because of his restaurant being right there at one of the choke points! (Charly's Rock).

3. The funds collected cannot be misused because the Comisario will personally disburse and supervise. Any unused funds (not likely IMO) will get used to the benefit of SC and you/we can get the details from the Comisario.

Quality control here "johnmoore" is a subjective thing; warranties(?) fergit it! I'd say we'll get topes like the ones by the fountain in from of the CC entrance. BTW, that fountain was privately funded by the boulevard's namesake. Anyway, let's get on the bandwagon and get this thing done!

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In addition to johnmoore's post.
If we embark on this slippery path, what is to stop municipalities from delaying on other basic repairs in hopes we pass the hat once again?It's my opinion it sets a dangerous precedent.

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Richard, as I remember the LDM road came with a guarantee.

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Whose? Certainly not the Municipio's, and certainly not the fund raisers, and certainly not the workers... so who guaranteed?

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I think there was a guarantee. I can't remember for sure but I think at one time it would be repaired all the way to LDM which would have been around 3 times the distance actually worked on. Our then comisario was there at least one time. I think it was posted as to how much money was raised. Yes, someone should know about some type of contract. Throw some specs out there and get some bids on those specs. Our new comisario Ruben has a lot to lose by sticking his neck out and trying to improve San Carlos. I suppose folks could get mad and boycott his business and I'm sure he has thought about it. Who collects the money? Who pays the contractor, who approves the work? What amount and when will these "progress payments" be paid? I am no legal person and especially not here. I'm for the topes. There was another wreck yesterday afternoon in front of Jax Snax/Pemex, one was hit so hard it was turned over on it's side. Don't know about condition of occupants. Speed and topes don't mix. Ron

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You want things to change>...??? get better..?? well here is an opportunity to get involved in the process... donate time money...plans and push Ruben and others in Power to see we want safe,clean place to live... .also...Prof. Juan Carlos Gonsales is asking for support in an effort to seperate San Carlos from Guaymas.. here is a e-mail address if anyone wants info or support of project...profesorargueoastronomo@gmail.com

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Richard Baca wrote: The LDM street repair of a couple of years ago has nothing to do with the current need for topes at the designated locations. Police enforcement is spotty at best because as they are stopping one, 50 more go by. Topes are 24/7/365 and it's not so much the residents that speed and ignore the 3 way stop; it's the visitors and drunk ones at that(!) that could cause an accident or a pedestrian hit. As much as we hate 'em, topes are the best solution.
Maybe. But 50 go by that witness enforcement being done on a more regular basis and it changes their behavior.
Especially the gringo population. Although, IME, it's the locals that, by far, do the most speeding.

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