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 Posted: Wed May 31st, 2017 04:14 pm
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Richard Baca wrote: Visitor, I don't know if the above quoted number is correct or not, but whatever the number is, it ain't gettin spent here! And therein lies the issue at hand!

i think that is my point.  is there an accurate accounting.  how would we know.  
it is easy to toss out our wild accusations and numbers.  true or not there should be some way to know where these numbers come from.  

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This is a map of all Municipios in the state of Sonora. Some are large like Hermosillo, Guaymas, Pitiquito and Caborca. Others are quite small like Aconchi, Atil, San Filipe de Jesus, Huepac and Divisaderos. 

I found it useful for knowing what ended where here in lower Sonora around Alamos. There are approx 90 distinct communities with populations above 50 persons in the municipio of Alamos (there are 317 registered communities, but only approx 90 with populations above 50, 21 of which are comisarias).


I would imagine the number is similar for Guaymas (again talking about areas with populations above 50, so that number won't be anywhere near the 1500 communities various websites report for Guaymas).  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a listing of communities for Guaymas. 


What can I say.. I like Geography.


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Vince, did you choreograph, video record and edit the Juan Carlos video? And we all know about the Gonzales Group, so once again I say, "consider the source..."

Through the smoke and haze though, methinks fundamentally that making San Carlos its own municipio is a good idea. It just has to be via a responsible Mexican registered voter initiative.

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VisitorSanCarlos wrote: Richard Baca wrote: Visitor, I don't know if the above quoted number is correct or not, but whatever the number is, it ain't gettin spent here! And therein lies the issue at hand!

i think that is my point.  is there an accurate accounting.  how would we know.  
it is easy to toss out our wild accusations and numbers.  true or not there should be some way to know where these numbers come from.  


Guaymas has a long standing reputation for corruption so "getting to the bottom" of their accounting is a rather novel goals since the state controller has had no success with the same task for decades.
This town is large enough to support a municipal government, so the task at hand is to motivate enough local mexicans and out of towners to come to vote on it to get enough votes for quorum.

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To be clear, on any referendum to force the issue of San Carlos as its own municipio, NO, GUAYMAS RESIDENTS WOULD NOT HAVE A VOTE! It would be a local (to San Carlos) issue. That the city government of Guaymas would oppose it, I have no doubt. As for the citizens of Guaymas, I don't think most would care because most are not aware of San Carlos' contribution to municipal revenue.

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you can get signatures of hundreds of "fulanos and fulanas", but until you have the support of the resident nationals of prominence and stature, nothing is going to happen!
this is a "good ole boy state, and municipality"!!!!!!!!
it has always been and always will be!

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Oye Frankie, son los fulanos y fulanas de Guaymas Norte that are getting our water precisely because they vote! And they voted for the city government we have now! You don't think the city government doesn't want to keep them happy? If your "movers & shakers" here are so powerful, why don't they order more wells drilled in the Valle de San Jose to service Guaymas Norte and give us back our water? Certainly it would be to their advantage as developers and business owners, don't ya'll think? I don't think they are as all powerful as you imply. A grassroots movement could gain traction, but getting responsible leadership is the key.

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all the prominent, influential, "movers and shakers" that can vote in this region have their roots in guaymas!
compadres, comadres, tios, tias, primos and primas!

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I agree and disagree with Frankie. It would be helpful and faster to have some rich people on the side of San Carlos being it's own municipio. But it not necessary according to the Mexican Constitution. In no place in Article 39 of the Mexican Constitution does it say that a pueblo needs rich people to be in favor of a governance change. Sooner or later if this went to lets say the supreme court of Mexico. No judge in his or her right mind could possible rule against the what the constitution says.

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The liberal judges on our courts do it quite often.

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If judges were to rule against the constitution a few hundred Mexicans in the streets would pretty much put an end to Guaymas' reign over San Carlos. The government is that weak here. The apathy by local residents though is very strong as well. Two wrongs that may inevitably never make a right.

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Vince Radice The apathy by local residents though is very strong as well.


this is the biggest problem! why i have stated that only the influence of the voting residents of prominence and stature will make a difference!

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No one has tried "full time" in earnest to organize the local mexicans here. The activists that have asked me to help them with their media do this part time. It really is a full time job, not a part time job.

We need some full time Mexicans with a vision to get on board with this. It really ain't so much about the money as it is about the community organizing end of it.

Any time I speak with a local in his own language and explain to him the simple math they are ready to sign up or at least sign a petition.

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Vince Radice wrote: I agree and disagree with Frankie. It would be helpful and faster to have some rich people on the side of San Carlos being it's own municipio. 
there are voting residents of san carlos who are of prominence and stature who i wouldn't consider "rich", they own hardware stores, restaurants, hotels, stores, ect: middle class hard working individuals! that is the leadership needed!
they can influence and inspire the real "movers and shakers" who have political and the financial means to get the job done!

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Ahh Frankie, you finally nailed it! Now what we need is for one of those "prominents" to come forward and lead. I'd say someone that can put a sign-up desk in their "changarro" for San Carlos' registered voters to make their collective voice heard.

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http://www.elportaldelanoticia.mx/index.php/noticias/14-local/1935-residentes-de-san-carlos-buscaran-ser-el-municipio-73-de-sonora

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And so-----here we go, the wheels of progress let's hope.

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This situation has been a tremendous swindle to the tax paying residents of San Carlos for as long as I've been here...and, it only appears to be getting worse.
For this reason, I would be very happy to sign this petition...Please let me know where and when.
Interestingly, I note too that this appears to be the ONLY subject the local "Hatfields and McCoys" ( so to speak ) have ever basically agreed upon.
Steve Habkirk

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Are you able to vote in the Mexican elections Steve?

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What (how many) and where is the circulation of El Portal de la Noticia? I don't think it's hardly enough to start a groundswell in San Carlos.

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