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 Posted: Tue Jan 24th, 2017 05:53 pm
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using a charter can be expensive! if it was offered for group sales 2/3 times a week for flights round trip.  it might be an affordable option for air service in an out of guaymas!
bullshipper and ian maybe you guys might want to do some home work regarding group charters 2/3 times a week.

good luck guys and hope to hear something from you soon!

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At the moment the McClellan-Palomar Airport in Carlsbad, California has no commercial flights, only private flights.

California Pacific Airlines is a re-startup based in Carlasbad, California. Their plans in 2016 were to operate 3 Embraer ERJ-135 planes (a 37 pax plane, probably good to start the Tucson/Guaymas route) and later add an Embraer 170. Check out FlyCPAir.com for scheduled commercial airline service. Maybe this is the one.

Now the letter mentioned a CRJ700.. It it's a typo and they meant to say Embraer-170, well that could refer to the bird that was leased by Version1 of California Pacific Air that had to be returned back to it's lessor (it still bears the livery, so it's a possibity). So maybe CPAir v2 is getting it back and that's what is being referred to. If Frank is certain on the CRJ700 and it's not a typo.. well that destroys that theory and we can dispose of the two paragraphs I just typed. LOL. ;) 

United was the last commercial airline operating out of Carlsbad, pulling out in April 2015.

Found this article interesting about McCleelan-Palomar Airport (the Carlsbad, California airport).

http://www.seasidecourier.com/business/runway-length-remains-biggest-challenge-for-mcclellan-palomar-airport/article_df406fd2-f49a-11e4-8445-537fb4a14e63.html

Basically states when Skywest (the affiliate who operated the UA flights) upgraded it's fleet from props to jets, it could not continue in Carlsbad as they would be removing the EMB120 (prop)  from service and the regional jets could not operate out of the 4700 ft runway.

The next two other articles are again about CPAir, the airline trying to restart in Carlsbad. 

http://www.thecoastnews.com/2016/03/...ine-expects-to-begin-flights-soon/

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...0/california-pacific-airlines-faa/

The 95 year old owner has been trying for years. They are having to reapply to the DOT for their airworthiness certificate as well as other obstacles.

Frank wrote the letter about an airline out of Carlsbad... these are the only facts I could dig up so far..

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More news on Carlsbad's McCleelan-Palomar Airport (cite of Frank's referenced airline that will provide service to Mexico).

In May they applied for funding under the Department of Transportation's 2016 Small Community Air Service Development Program. Specifically:
Carlsbad, California
Seeks $100,000 for marketing program funds in support of any new commercial airline service entrants at the airport.

There are currently two charter/airtaxi type operators out of CRD (Carlsbad).
Surf Air (operates Pilatus PC-12 -8pax)
JetSuiteX (operates Embraer Phenom100-7pax and ERJ-135-30pax)

Maybe CRD was awarded the DOT grant and they used that money to lure Frank's airline.

A commercial airline that will operate out of Carlsbad in April would have all of it's paperwork in order by now or at least filed... Especially one that flew a Bombardier CRJ700 or Embraer 170. (unless that plane is only for the Tucson/Phoenix/Guaymas legs, then it wouldn't be scheduled out of CBD)

Anyway, Frank wrote about an airline out of Carlsbad... so just doing a little bit of due diligence..
*edited for misspellings

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And i still think Paradise Air should be reported to Profeco.What Frank did is against the Mexican Law.The People that got the Tickets , got a legal Mexican Invoice showing also the Tax they paid?I think they also will have a Problem with Hacienda.

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Any "new, substantiated, news"??

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I've been in contact with a guy who knows what's scheduled at the gates in PHX (Sky Harbour) and another who knows what's happening in TUS (Tucson) and both of them tell me they haven't seen any new developments for intl air service to to/from Guaymas. This has been their response for each of the advertised Oct, then Nov, then Dec Paradise-Air inaugural flights.

I would guess with his latest communication, he's bought another 3+ months (end of April / start of May) before his ticket holders start to pressure him again if they put any stock in the promise of the new un-named air service.

It's the mention of the 70pax Bombardier CRJ700 that has me puzzled. That's a big plane to fill for the route. A route that's had no service for years doesn't just start with a 70pax plane, especially when it was a grossly failed route that couldn't fill planes. It starts with something like a Part 135 service operator ( who's planes can make a max of 5 round trip charter flights a week w/ less than 30 pax.. but those round trips can be multi-stop) or a 19 pax prop.

Somewhat like JetSuiteX is trying to do w/ their newly acquired used ERJ-135s w/ a reduced pax count of 30 instead of 37 might be appropriate. Interesting concept.



Not a bad looking barbie-jet.

JetSuiteX Part135 Public Shuttle Service w/ Embraer ERJ-135 regional jets

JetSuiteX Website

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 I fret over you folks who are unable to fetch your loved ones from and to Hermosillo. Are you so busy you can not drive 1 1/2 hours each way? It seems you have the money and want a FedEx style (to your door) delivery, why don't you hire them a Taxi to deliver them from the Hermosillo Airport to your door? Find a local Taxista to go get them for your lazy a$$. 


This post was edited to not offend the folks who have more dollars than cents [sp]. Viva Rojas!!! 


 

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On our trip down we saw 6, count 'em 6 ambulances haulin' butt for Hermosillo. Maybe some were deadheads, but I'm guessing that some had customers. That's an awfully lot of ambulii (plural for ambulance?) for a 1.5 hour stretch of road. I understand peoples reticence to drive that stretch of highway if there might be an option.

Then there is the tourist angle, in which the service would facilitate easier access to San Carlos as a destination and thus increase the local's business. I don't think it's a matter laziness as you suggest, but a viable option for visitors and locals alike. I for one would like to see an airline at least make a go at it. Probably wouldn't use it, but I'd still like to see them try it out.

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In the Old days, when there was an airline servicing Guaymas I used it and found that it was very convenient.

But, When it comes to SC as a Tourist Destination I don't get it. For about the same price one can fly from the US to Mazatlan or another "True Tourist location". San Carlos is too cold in the Winter and too hot in the Summer. SC is not a Swingin' Place to visit. It is full of full-time or part-time, Gray Panthers who's lives, pretty much, revolve around "Whats for Supper".  

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jimmy , i agree with you, except for " to cold in the winter to hot in the summer. the same thing was said of phoenix and tucson in the ole days! now phoenix has a population of over 4,000,000 tucson over a 1,000,000  when i was younger there wasn't 1,000,000 in the whole state.

there are also many nationals who would be using an air service.

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Well, 90 degrees with 90% humidity =s Death. I have seen 125 degree heat index in SC.

Most prudent folks Flee in June till Oct. 

And, you don't see too many NorteƱos out and about in the Winter till about 10-11 am unless they are Bundled up. Not much swimming in the Winter either. 

When I was at ASU in the early 70's I was amazed with folks vacationing from the Northern states swimming in feb and march. There are always exceptions to any rule.

As for the Nationals using air service, I don't know any wealthy Nationals. All of my National family and friends are Poor Folks who wish for a car.

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Gotta agree with Jimmy. There is a reason San Carlos hasn't grown up like Maz or PV. There is a reason that HoJos and Club Med have sold out.


It's the winter weather. Who wants to fly to San Carlos from the snowbelt states/provinces, with 60 degree water and strong, cold winds in the winter?


Back in "the day" when those resorts were operated by big companies, they subsidized the airfare. That made it cheap to get here. But word got out that it really isnt that warm in San Carlos in the winter. Especially NW of the Tetas, where HoJos and Club Med were. I doubt there were many repeat customers, after experiencing a week of wind and cold water here.


It's a bit ironic that people are hoping for service from the States when the real influx of new visitors is from Mexico. And most of those are within driving distance (HMO, Obregon).

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August and September,  i agree are miserably humid!  but 42 degrees is better than -42 in the winter  than northern usa states and canada!
jimmy you are right there are exceptions to the rule,  we who have acclimated to this climate are in long sleeve shirts, long pants light jacket.  the northern staters and canadians are in shorts         t-shirts sandals!

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But 42 is still not 80+ with 70 degree water. And it is often 80+ from Maz, south. And most of those destinations have true international airports.

It will be the maquila factories that make or break the Guaymas airport for international flights. Too many other warmer, cheaper, direct flight destinations than Guaymas, for tourists.

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hook have you been here this season? the weather is all over the place! hot and cool!

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frankiej wrote: hook have you been here this season? the weather is all over the place! hot and cool!
LOL! Yeah, I have taken notice of the weather.

It's been a rather cool winter, Frankie. It's gotten warm recently, for sure. And the week ahead looks good. 

But it's also been one of the wettest winters we've had in the last 3-4 winters. 

The northerners/Canadiese are fine with this weather. But there is no replacing water that is swimmable. Maz appears to have water around 74. That's swimmable. 62 is not.

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the weekend of the 14th i was hunting in 92 degree weather!92 is hot to me and 42 is cool!
thank god we have enjoyed a little more rain!
this post is about the defunct airline, we have drifted from the post!

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I think you would be surprised at the increase in tourism if you had flights to Guaymas at a reasonable price. My dad lived in San Carlos for years and I would visit yearly. After he died I continued visiting as I had made friends with a few people. My last trip was the first time I had to fly to Hermosillo. Not a bad drive to San Carlos but the timing and price are prohibitive when you add in all expenses. As an example I can fly Bermuda/Hermosillo, $1200usd and takes a day and a half. Bermuda/Costa Rica, $650usd and 7 hours.

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Our discussion is still relevant to the thread. It explores how much demand there really is for Guaymas flights and what creates demand. We are winter-weather-challenged in the eyes of many tourists, I suspect. People want warm, bathing suit weather, if they are escaping snow and cold. Heck, most of the resorts dont even heat their pools, do they?

Where were you hunting in 92 degree weather? You must have been at least five miles from the coast. Probably more. Out by Ortiz?

Day before yesterday, we had our first day above 80 in San Carlos since probably early December. And only my weather station got that warm. All the others in SC were in the mid 70s.

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edale99 wrote: I think you would be surprised at the increase in tourism if you had flights to Guaymas at a reasonable price. My dad lived in San Carlos for years and I would visit yearly. After he died I continued visiting as I had made friends with a few people. My last trip was the first time I had to fly to Hermosillo. Not a bad drive to San Carlos but the timing and price are prohibitive when you add in all expenses. As an example I can fly Bermuda/Hermosillo, $1200usd and takes a day and a half. Bermuda/Costa Rica, $650usd and 7 hours.
Yeah, unless you LIVE near an airline hub that flies directly here,  it becomes a day and a half to actually get to San Carlos. And 1.5 hours of that is still a drive.

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