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 Posted: Thu Jun 9th, 2016 04:26 pm
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water bills are dependent on the infrastructure usage!! if you only consume water and use a private or have a community sewer system, you don't pay for the sewage amount of the bill!all water usage should be metered!!
it should be the responsibility of CEA to provide and install these meters! it's only fair and good business!!

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Water in Ranchitos is probably on a very shallow hardpan aquifier. A well will probably not produce more than a trickle, but a 1/2 gpm trickle pumped 24hrs a day adds up to 700 gallons a day held in a storage tank, and most people use 50 per day per person as an average.

A $75 1'5" diameter pipe spike can be driven 40 feet in a days labor with a $20 post driver so if you live near one of the existing arroyos that has some sand and gravel, this could be a solution for you.  Or, if you live down stream for people that are watering,you also have a good chance and of course witching for water is a common skill in Mexico.

Water is probably the most valuable commodity the earth holds, and without it, you investment here is worth nothing. With it, its worth more. I think its allways good to try to fight the good fight, but a small well may solve your problem sooner with less frustration, and you are entitled as a property owner to have up to a 2" diameter well on your property for domestic and agricultural use w/o applying for a permit, the last time I looked. A pither pump will tell you how much of an electric jet pump you need, and if there is no water, you can pull the pipe with a lever and pay your laborer to try another spot.
I have done a few in my time.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 9th, 2016 07:11 pm
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i am from arizona and in my 36 year construction career have had many wells built, i also have had wells drilled on 2 ranches i owned. one was on the rincon creek vail, az. 4 where on my family ranch along the hussyampa river, wickenberg,az! drilling a well does not mean hitting water! a 2 inch diameter does not give much option for pumping the water out! if you are lucky to hit water, you need to be deep enough in the aquifer to fill your casing! how much water will 2 inches of casing hold? it depends on the depth into the aquifer, water will only fill to it's level! sounds like a lot of money for speculation!
regarding witching, i usually only believe in facts or scientific evidence! that said; i am a true believer in witching! i have seen it work on many occasions!

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It's worse in a lot of places NOB.

http://www.thenation.com/article/dry-taps-and-lagoons-of-sewage-what-americas-water-crisis-looks-like/

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Am I dreaming or have I heard that you can't get a permit to drill a well near Ranchitos? Contra la ley?? Ron

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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2016 05:55 am
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That's what I thought I heard somewhere also, maybe from all those dry places 3/4 way to Nacapuli but you get old and you wonder if you really remember what you're remembering !!

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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2016 04:04 pm
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Hook, if all they were asking for was 300 pesos, I would be very happy. If we lived in a perfect world, things would be different. My client had to pay a couple of thousand dollars (not pesos), to be able to sell their property, after spending five years in court (throwing money after the lawyers) to remove one of the Caballeros from her property. For that she had to pay all the back bills, that they left, and fix the house, because they trashed it on their way out. Water company did not respect the signed letter they had received five years prior. Please tell me that there isn't any corruption taking place.

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Hook doesn't think it is a burden for poor people to have to pay 350 pesos a month for water yet it is a burden for people to come up with bus fare or gas money. It is a strange logic indeed. 

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Vince Radice wrote: Hook doesn't think it is a burden for poor people to have to pay 350 pesos a month for water yet it is a burden for people to come up with bus fare or gas money. It is a strange logic indeed. 
Comparitively, he's right. It costs 150 pesos in gas a day to go to and from Empalme, so that's over 10x what a water bill costs. And I think its still illegal for the CEA to cut peoples drinking supply, so 1/2 of the people you are using as an example, most likely haven't paid their bill in years.
Water has been a political football that hasn't improved in the +30 years I have been in Mexico. But everyone here already knows that, so good luck beating this dead horse again.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2016 09:39 pm
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And for 70 years PRI dominated Presidential politics in Mexico because mostly people did not demand change. Most people are sheep but every now and again a few wolves step up to the plate. I know a few wolves who are resurrecting dead horses.

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I live in the Ranchitos. I have a meter. I have had plenty of water for the last 2 years. If i ever leave SC it will not be because of crappy infrastructure it will be because I am tired of all the complaining. This is a beautiful place to live.

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RichD wrote: I live in the Ranchitos. I have a meter. I have had plenty of water for the last 2 years. If i ever leave SC it will not be because of crappy infrastructure it will be because I am tired of all the complaining. This is a beautiful place to live.
x2, and its usually not the Mexicans that are complaining, unless you mention Vince.This got old years ago.

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Ignorance never ceases to amaze.

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Vince Radice wrote: Ignorance never ceases to amaze.x2

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vince, i am proud of you for championing this noble cause!there are a lot of injustices occurring and it is easier for some to ignore or comment on those that do, than to stand up and do something about it! 

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Championing a cause and making a logical argument are two different things.

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what is not logical? the problem as i see it is the administration of CEA! i firmly believe if all water consumption was metered there would be more money in the coffers, more money in the coffers means money to build and maintain! it could also factor in any price reduction and off set for some who are unable to pay
i wasn't born yesterday and realize we don't live in a perfect world, but attempting an effort is better than not attempting!

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So you want the right to complain but you are upset when people complain about your complaining. Are you not seeing the irony here?

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this is a forum where people can express their views! some may agree some may oppose! if someone observes that on a regular basis water is being wasted through our antiquated water infrastructure and voices their concern on this forum that is hardly complaining, that is only an obvious observation!if that same person decides to become proactive and do something about it for the good of all why should they be belittled for it "complaining"?? 

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